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Okay, but can't expect me to just accept such an interpretation just because you say it to me, no? I am not persuaded that this is the best way to interpret what he is saying. Even the other aspect of what he says "My power is no different from yours, you are able to influence the one instant your eyes can see, I am able to influence the entirety of fate that mine see" could easily work within the framework of his ability to affect the fate of events in front of him.You're hyper fixating on the statement not realizing the contextual foundation, when Yhwach references "it is simply because I was not there", he isn't saying that in the sense his ability didn't have enough range to effect Ichigo, he's saying that in the sense that he didn't have the ability to manipulate the future because he's only recently gain the ability to do so after absorbing the Soul King. Hence him not really being "there".
I think the credibility is pretty suspect given that he was hit by multiple Bankai in the future after he said this, and while we could take it literally and extrapolate it to other things, do we have an indication that random people across the globe just had their Bankais destroyed from a distance?Yeah, we actually do, with his capabilities, Yhwach is stated capable of destroying all Bankai's in the future. This would include Bankai's from characters who aren't even near Yhwach like Azashiro who resides in Muken or even those who exist in different dimensions like Ukitake who resides in the Hell dimension after his death early on in the arc (I'll provide scans of those later when I create my post).
Okay.I mean I'm going to prove that these structures actually exist, not that they exist within the realms of chance or ambiguity.
I will wait but just know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the consequences of your claim means that their are infinite versions of the characters physically existing in another place, I have read bleach and unless I read a different one I do not think that is the case at all.They do exist, them being contextually considered as "possibilities" when examined under Yhwach's vision isn't an innate counter to them actually existing.
same thing that can be addressed here since it is literally about the same abilityDunno why is Pain bringing up his thread when it has nothing to do with the CRT, it's just requesting for some broken scans to be replaced.
?? The only bankai that has ever hit him is Ichigo's after tsukishima created a new timeline to fix his bankaiI think the credibility is pretty suspect given that he was hit by multiple Bankai in the future after he said this, and while we could take it literally and extrapolate it to other things, do we have an indication that random people across the globe just had their Bankais destroyed from a distance?
My mistake, there was an illusory Bankai I forgot about. Regardless, that entire sequence casts a lot of doubt on how literally we should interpret those abilities, and without concrete evidence of him destroying a bankai a world away, assuming that the statement that he "destroyed all bankai in the future" shouldn't be interpreted as him somehow universally destroying all Bankai in existence if there isn't concrete evidence that this is the case.?? The only bankai that has ever hit him is Ichigo's after tsukishima created a new timeline to fix his bankai
I'm not asking you to accept the interpretation as is, that's why I'm saying I'll explain everything in-depth later, because I'm not providing that context currently.Okay, but can't expect me to just accept such an interpretation just because you say it to me, no? I am not persuaded that this is the best way to interpret what he is saying. Even the other aspect of what he says "My power is no different from yours, you are able to influence the one instant your eyes can see, I am able to influence the entirety of fate that mine see" could easily work within the framework of his ability to affect the fate of events in front of him.
That was because Aizen was affecting his ability to see and manipulate the future with his Shikai, which was placed on him before he gained the ability to manipulate the future. He didn't actually do this feat but it's directly implied that he's capable of such feats because of his statement. Unless you believe Yhwach was lying or doesn't know the capabilities of his own ability.I think the credibility is pretty suspect given that he was hit by multiple Bankai in the future after he said this, and while we could take it literally and extrapolate it to other things, do we have an indication that random people across the globe just had their Bankais destroyed from a distance?
That wouldn't be an inherent quality of having an infinite amount of separate timelines but I'll explain why in more depth later on.I will wait but just know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the consequences of your claim means that their are infinite versions of the characters physically existing in another place, I have read bleach and unless I read a different one I do not think that is the case at all.
that was not a bankai either...My mistake, there was an illusory Bankai I forgot about.
Well bleach has infinite timelines, I guessWhat's being argued here now?
That is literally what your scan says, but well let me wait for your explanationThat wouldn't be an inherent quality of having an infinite amount of separate timelines but I'll explain why in more depth later on.
Still don't know what you're talking about fully, but in this fight specifcally we're directly shown that Yhwach's vision is fallible. So there is room to argue that while he acts like he knows everything, his every word doesn't have to be taken with gospel and could use more evidence to consider what he says conclusive. Aizen and Uuryu are the best examplesThat was because Aizen was affecting his ability to see and manipulate the future with his Shikai, which was placed on him before he gained the ability to manipulate the future. He didn't actually do this feat but it's directly implied that he's capable of such feats because of his statement. Unless you believe Yhwach was lying or doesn't know the capabilities of his own ability.
We've treated this like a fact for a while now. Yhwach's big explanation for All-Mighty seems like its talking about a timeline that branches at infinite or whatever.Well bleach has infinite timelines, I guess
I'm not talking about Suigetsu.that was not a bankai either...
We don't just assume that every braggadocios claim from a villain is true at face value and demand it must be countered in order to avoid it being added in a profile as though it were literally true. If this is the sole indication of him being able to affect futures outside his immediate sphere of influence, and it's merely a statement with huge implications that weren't ever reflected in the story, I would say that isn't sufficient.He didn't actually do this feat but it's directly implied that he's capable of such feats because of his statement. Unless you believe Yhwach was lying or doesn't know the capabilities of his own ability.
We have indication that he can destroy all bankais in the future, this would include those that exist outside his physical sphere of influence. You would need to provide evidence to the contrary because the statement itself necessarily implies he's capable of affecting bankais outside of his physical sphere of influence.
To me it seems more like infinite possibilities rather than co-existing universes. There's no indication these timelines exist simultaneouslyYhwach's big explanation for All-Mighty seems like its talking about a timeline that branches at infinite or whatever.
there is also the novels, not just YH wordsWe've treated this like a fact for a while now. Yhwach's big explanation for All-Mighty seems like its talking about a timeline that branches at infinite or whatever.
His vision is fallible in the sense it can be manipulated by outside sources, not that his capabilities of manipulation of those visions are fallible.Still don't know what you're talking about fully, but in this fight specifcally we're directly shown that Yhwach's vision is fallible. So there is room to argue that while he acts like he knows everything, his every word doesn't have to be taken with gospel and could use more evidence to consider what he says conclusive. Aizen and Uuryu are the best examples
It's evolved into arguing about The Almighty and whether it qualifies for 2-A as per the new standards.Eh... What's being argued? Or supposed to be agreed or disagreed? I mean replacing a broken link or scan shouldn't be controversial enough. I agree.
Assuming things are true without good evidence isn't better just because it is a simple approach. And indeed, there are contradictions for it. Point blank, he cannot just decide what happens in the future without any tethering to his personal powers, abilities, or physical sphere of influence. He cannot simply decide upon a future where all his enemies spontaneously come down with a heart attack. He should be able to instantly defeat anyone, by deciding upon the future in which his first attack lands fatally, but he doesn't.We have an extremely direct statement that Yhwach can destroy all bankais in the future, we should assume the interpretation which takes the least leaps in logical deduction, which would be assuming that Yhwach, can in fact, destroy all bankais in the future because he's stated capable of doing so without an ounce of contradiction towards it. It's that simple.
We got a standard update? What're they now?It's evolved into arguing about The Almighty and whether it qualifies for 2-A as per the new standards.
... Shouldn't some create their own CRT with explaination or whatever on why they shouldn't rather than random contextless debates? I am not really a fan of CRTs getting out of their main purpose or track.It's evolved into arguing about The Almighty and whether it qualifies for 2-A as per the new standards.
Putting yourself in the position of making illogical claims or statements that you cannot prove is probably what's damaging your health. Other people pointing it out is not the problem.I'm taking a break from this thread, dealing with Deagonx and Duedate in the same thread just isn't good for my health
Threads can evolve to address adjacent issues, and this tackles the current range justification.This thread was only supposed to be replacing a broken link, the thread should fulfill that purpose. If someone wishes to downgrade the range then create a separate thread, don't derail this one.
Very good point. He's never demonstrated the ability to destroy Bankai like, telephatically or something. So the claim that Deceived is making that he is able -- through Almighty -- to remotely destroy all Bankai in existence through the Almighty further contradicts the established mechanics.His vision is also fallible in the sense there are some things he just doesn't see. Like Uuryu shooting him with the still-silver arrow. Not to mention we're also shown how Yhwach destroys Bankai in the future, and it's normally through physically tearing them apart as we see with Ichigo and Renji (renji's shikai not his bankai). So the exact way he destroys all bankai in the future is up in the air, not to mention what Bankai he'd destroy is also up in the air.
Was there really a need to say all that to the dude just saying he needs a break from the thread? Blud’s getting 3 people quoting the same messages of his.Putting yourself in the position of making illogical claims or statements that you cannot prove is probably what's damaging your health. Other people pointing it out is not the problem.
You're a savage bro.Putting yourself in the position of making illogical claims or statements that you cannot prove is probably what's damaging your health. Other people pointing it out is not the problem.
Yes they are possible futures, then he can pick the possibility he wants and then makes it into a reality, not that there is an infinite timeline in bleach.We've treated this like a fact for a while now. Yhwach's big explanation for All-Mighty seems like its talking about a timeline that branches at infinite or whatever.
... Shouldn't some create their own CRT with explaination or whatever on why they shouldn't rather than random contextless debates? I am not really a fan of CRTs getting out of their main purpose or track.
I am not sure. If i am correct Arc has 3 CRTs active. I may be wrong though.I thought it was only 2, didn't see a third one my bad.
But yeah this should have ended some time ago after my stupidity was explained lol
he literally did against ichigo when he opened his eyes..by deciding upon the future in which his first attack lands fatally, but he doesn't.
No, It's a rule to create proper CRT addressing something with all the relevant scans and issues addressed in the OP.Threads can evolve to address adjacent issues, and this tackles the current range justification.
I got the scans, just trying to stop Imgur from being pissy rnAnyway, if someone have the scans then just replace the broken links or scans. I'll ask for it's closure or if someone already seeing it, close it anyway.
No, It's a rule to create proper CRT addressing something with all the relevant scans and issues addressed in the OP.
What OP is asking has no relevance to whatever is being argued, am I supposed to read debates? No.
Anyway, if someone have the scans then just replace the broken links or scans. I'll ask for it's closure or if someone already seeing it, close it anyway.
No, It's a rule to create proper CRT addressing something with all the relevant scans and issues addressed in the OP.
What OP is asking has no relevance to whatever is being argued, am I supposed to read debates? No.
Since a new thread got made, closingOk I made the thread. Deceived, Duedate, and Deagon please take a moment to formally gather your positions to lay out so we can hopefully discuss this topic better.