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Most well written characters for every tier

Don't see why it is impossible; as much as it is subjective sure, but there is always a consensus in this matter.
The same concept is already used in vs. thread, people vote which arguments are more convincing.

There is no right or wrong. Otherwise, it will be useless to even discuss if the match is clear and objective.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
you were making great points and then you suggested ******* Kingdom Hearts
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KH is just not for everyone TBH, as much we all have different tastes, being one of the founders of crossovers on video games combined with giving a interesting serious tone without getting NSFW was quite ahead of its time, although what usually puts off many is the complicated plot, but like mustard, it can enhance the experience to some.
 
Bobsican said:
KH is just not for everyone TBH, as much we all have different tastes, being one of the founders of crossovers on video games combined with giving a interesting serious tone without getting NSFW was quite ahead of its time, although what usually puts off many is the complicated plot, but like mustard, it can enhance the experience to some.
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Listen

Bob

Everyone can like what they want to like

This is right and good

My senses only recoil when a person cannot admit that what they're liking is not actually the best thing ever made

It's never enough to say "I like this and it is good to me", it's "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me"

Kingdom Hearts writers don't even seem to know what the hell is going on 99% of the time, it's written with forced toxic optimism bursting at the seams, with the only negative forces being corny and derivative to boot. like you don't need to like all the grotesque shit I do, I get it, my shit's really bad to most folk- but I'm not saying MORK BORG is the best written verse of all time. it is comically over the top and cartoonish in its depravity, that's the point. It's not well written. But just offer me something with depth, man, so many suggestions here are so ******* shallow.

and, of course, if saying that makes me old, well, there's a reason I get called old man in my twenties.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Idk I find something hilariously shallow about the idea of "you think something's better written than I think it is, so you're ******* daft"
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and I find something hilariously shallow about 99% of the verses present. I also find it shallow to not really consider the depth of your own verses when suggesting them for something like this, purely coz you like 'em. I love, earnestly love, a lot of verses- I could in no way suggest most of them for even coming into the running for "Best written character" because they don't write characters well, what's so hard to understand about that lmao
 
Mr._Bambu said:
and I find something hilariously shallow about 99% of the verses present. I also find it shallow to not really consider the depth of your own verses when suggesting them for something like this, purely coz you like 'em. I love, earnestly love, a lot of verses- I could in no way suggest most of them for even coming into the running for "Best written character" because they don't write characters well, what's so hard to understand about that lmao
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The beauty of writing is finding depth in damn near anything. I could see something as hilariously shallow while you may find a lot of depth to it. It's also very hypocritical of you to take issue with the "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me" mindset only to turn around and go "if you think of this character's writing in a different way than I do you're just wrong"
 
CloverDragon03 said:
The beauty of writing is finding depth in damn near anything. I could see something as hilariously shallow while you may find a lot of depth to it. It's also very hypocritical of you to take issue with the "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me" mindset only to turn around and go "if you think of this character's writing in a different way than I do you're just wrong"
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There is objectivity when it comes to character development and writing

People may think a character is well written sure, but if it actually is or isn't dependsnon multiple factors


You can't just say Goku is well written and has a lot of depth and expect people to take you seriously


It's not hypocritical to believe a character isn't that well written as long you have proper reasons and arguments to back up your claims
 
Passersby said:
There is objectivity when it comes to character development and writing

People may think a character is well written sure, but if it actually is or isn't dependsnon multiple factors


You can't just say Goku is well written and has a lot of depth and expect people to take you seriously


It's not hypocritical to believe a character isn't that well written as long you have proper reasons and arguments to back up your claims
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No, there isn't. What's objective about are the things that happen within a piece of media itself. What you make of it is wholly subjective

It also is hypocritical to find issue in the "I like this and need everyone to agree with me" mindset only to turn around and start complaining when someone disagrees with your stance on something's writing.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
No, there isn't. What's objective about are the things that happen within a piece of media itself. What you make of it is wholly subjective
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A character with well fleshed out and complex emotions as well as proper development well developed motivations and goals good symbolism and character dynamics will always objectively be better written than a character who lacks these aspects


What's subjective is which character you prefer and which style of writing and type of development you like
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Listen

Bob

Everyone can like what they want to like

This is right and good

My senses only recoil when a person cannot admit that what they're liking is not actually the best thing ever made

It's never enough to say "I like this and it is good to me", it's "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me"
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Eh, I never proposed KH as the best writing ever made, nor I would do that for anything either as that's too subjective and culture dependant as KingStrategist explained.

I can totally understand if the tone/premise of the series makes you uncomfortable, any piece of media can't just give the exact same intended feeling to everyone, as much something fun can be cringeworthy or worth considering the serious implications.

Mr._Bambu said:
Kingdom Hearts writers don't even seem to know what the hell is going on 99% of the time, it's written with forced toxic optimism bursting at the seams, with the only negative forces being corny and derivative to boot. like you don't need to like all the grotesque shit I do, I get it, my shit's really bad to most folk- but I'm not saying MORK BORG is the best written verse of all time. it is comically over the top and cartoonish in its depravity, that's the point. It's not well written. But just offer me something with depth, man, so many suggestions here are so ******* shallow.

and, of course, if saying that makes me old, well, there's a reason I get called old man in my twenties.
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Sora's the only one like that, most other characters lean into tragedy/seriousness quite often, in fact Sora has to deal with some of that tragedy accidentally existing because of him and also endure the exact same pain the others had.

If you think the premise of KH is "Cheerful anime with Disney branding everywhere go against Disney villains", then that's quite incorrect, while originally that was the premise of the series in development, eventually the series was made to appeal to Final Fantasy fans by having a more serious tone with original villains mixed in too, in fact lately the villain Disney characters have been losing relevancy in place of original villains, and the Disney characters don't feel out of place with how their placement usually has a direct involvement to the current overarching plot, rather than unecessary cameos.

The series in general deals with the topic of what measure is something sentient to care about, and while that's a common plot topic, KH explores it quite well by diving on how inorganic, undead, artificial, made up, fictional and otherwise characters made for nothing but to be a mere tool can earn love and develop as their own beings.
 
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RandomGuy2345 said:
Bambu I've yet to see you make actual valid reasons as to why the characters mentioned aren't written well other than you making surface level at best judgments.
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I've accepted that some people cannot be communicated with, shit happens
 
If you think the premise of KH is "Cheerful anime with Disney branding everywhere go against Disney villains", then that's quite incorrect, while originally that was the premise of the series in development, eventually the series was made to appeal to Final Fantasy fans by having a more serious tone with original villains mixed in too, in fact lately the villain Disney characters have been losing relevancy in place of original villains.
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tbf my ass has only played two games (that is, 1 and 2), and if the situation turned extremely differently afterwards then I'm content to never know, as the first two games were earnestly terrible
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Listen

Bob

Everyone can like what they want to like

This is right and good

My senses only recoil when a person cannot admit that what they're liking is not actually the best thing ever made

It's never enough to say "I like this and it is good to me", it's "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me"

Kingdom Hearts writers don't even seem to know what the hell is going on 99% of the time, it's written with forced toxic optimism bursting at the seams, with the only negative forces being corny and derivative to boot. like you don't need to like all the grotesque shit I do, I get it, my shit's really bad to most folk- but I'm not saying MORK BORG is the best written verse of all time. it is comically over the top and cartoonish in its depravity, that's the point. It's not well written. But just offer me something with depth, man, so many suggestions here are so ******* shallow.

and, of course, if saying that makes me old, well, there's a reason I get called old man in my twenties.
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Nobody ever said Kingdom Hearts was the best thing ever made, that's literally against the point he was trying to make, please stop saying this shit and using big words and doubling down to make it look like you're right when you're far from it.
 
Anyways, if we’re done arguing objectivity on a thread rooted in subjectivity, I vote Yuta Okkotsu for Tier 7 (because his tier is fluctuating and he’s either Low 7-C-7-B.)

Selfish, selfless, a lover in a world of fighters is the most dangerous of all: he personifies the human spirit.

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Passersby said:
A character with well fleshed out and complex emotions as well as proper development well developed motivations and goals good symbolism and character dynamics will always objectively be better written than a character who lacks these aspects


What's subjective is which character you prefer and which style of writing and type of development you like
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Whenever someone tells me that something like this is objective, that some characters are objectively better written than others, I always ask this question:

Okay, sure, let's go with that... Who decides which character is objectively better?
 
Milly_Rocking_Bandit said:
Anyways, if we’re done arguing objectivity on a thread rooted in subjectivity, I vote Yuta Okkotsu for Tier 7 (because his tier is fluctuating and he’s either Low 7-C-7-B.)

Selfish, selfless, a lover in a world of fighters is the most dangerous of all: he personifies the human spirit.

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Wasn't too big on JJK but Yuta's definitely one of my favorites from it
 
CloverDragon03 said:
The beauty of writing is finding depth in damn near anything. I could see something as hilariously shallow while you may find a lot of depth to it. It's also very hypocritical of you to take issue with the "I like this and I need everyone to agree with me" mindset only to turn around and go "if you think of this character's writing in a different way than I do you're just wrong"
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Yes. But we aren't writing, we are reading what is written. To an extent, you can recognize something as more than it is- songs, for example, can have specific meanings to specific people deeper, perhaps, than the original writer intended or even could muster. That doesn't make it better written than it is, though.

Characters can be, objectively, shallowly written. A lot of characters are. A lot of the ones in this thread are.
 
Mr._Bambu said:
Yes. But we aren't writing, we are reading what is written. To an extent, you can recognize something as more than it is- songs, for example, can have specific meanings to specific people deeper, perhaps, than the original writer intended. That doesn't make it better written than it is, though.

Characters can be, objectively, shallowly written. A lot of characters are. A lot of the ones in this thread are.
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Not exactly. Using your example of songs, even if a song contains a deeper meaning beyond the original intentions of the writer, that doesn't matter. It's still a meaning that's conveyed through the writing of the song
 
This conversation right here. It literally only serves to further prove the point; People will find depth and complexity where other's will find a shallow and empty story. Some people such as myself may find Kingdom Hearts to be a interesting dissection of theme's in regards to connection's, existence, and what it truly means to have a bit of "Light" and "Dark" in your heart (And how morality can be beyond these meager labels in certain instances), while other's may simply see the verse as a pile of toxic optimism and corny plots. That's simply how the very idea of a Well Written Character or story goes.

And in a sense, that's likely all this thread will continue to be; We will argue back and forth on whether or not a Character should even be considered for the list, all because of our own belief's on how good they may or may not be. Some of us may be Hypocritical about it, some of us might not. Some may change their opinion's, other's may choose to stand their ground. But the same can be said of all subjective topic's, if we're being honest.

That said, I do garner some entertainment from this all, admittedly. Seeing people debate back and forth on the extent that this subject is subjective. Hell, in a sense even that is subjective too, actually thinking about it.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Not exactly. Using your example of songs, even if a song contains a deeper meaning beyond the original intentions of the writer, that doesn't matter. It's still a meaning that's conveyed through the writing of the song
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yes it does lol?

If I decide that, to me, the Kool-Aid Man represents the deep-seated problems of mankind, and explore that concept via the Kool-Aid Man to the deepest extent you can possibly go, such that I develop a philosophy on the subject, that doesn't change the level of writing done for the Kool-Aid Man.

I think I just need to accept that y'all don't get it, man, I don't know how much more clearly I can relay this information
 
Mr._Bambu said:
tbf my ass has only played two games (that is, 1 and 2), and if the situation turned extremely differently afterwards then I'm content to never know, as the first two games were earnestly terrible
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KHI may have aged like milk out of having rather unpolished gameplay compared to other titles and some early installment weirdness, but KHII to this day is still a really solid game, only real downside is that some parts of the plot are kinda filler and that Peter Pan is broken, in fact some deem it better than KHIII.
 
TheKingStrategist13 said:
This conversation right here. It literally only serves to further prove the point; People will find depth and complexity where other's will find a shallow and empty story. Some people such as myself may find Kingdom Hearts to be a interesting dissection of theme's in regards to connection's, existence, and what it truly means to have a bit of "Light" and "Dark" in your heart (And how morality can be beyond these meager labels in certain instances), while other's may simply see the verse as a pile of toxic optimism and corny plots. That's simply how the very idea of a Well Written Character or story goes.

And in a sense, that's likely all this thread will continue to be; We will argue back and forth on whether or not a Character should even be considered for the list, all because of our own belief's on how good they may or may not be. Some of us may be Hypocritical about it, some of us might not. Some may change their opinion's, other's may choose to stand their ground. But the same can be said of all subjective topic's, if we're being honest.

That said, I do garner some entertainment from this all, admittedly. Seeing people debate back and forth on the extent that this subject is subjective. Hell, in a sense even that is subjective too, actually thinking about it.
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I'm not even debating atp, I'm just making goofy one-off comments.

I already gave my essay on Woman Weigns, and I'm happy on how it turned out.
 
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