Mori Dan vs Satoru Gojo

[Arkenis]

And just wanna say this, this skill Gojo has is widely to do with jujutsu nothing else. The guy's hand to hand combat and creativity is nothing impressive.

 

[Digital_Franz]

I DID BRO, but for me.. gojos feats are more impressive ngl

W. 100% Unbiased take

 

[LIGHTYW]

What feats?

gojos feats..

 

[Arkenis]

gojos feats..

Like...

 

[Tago238]

Literally just look at Yeoui's page? The thing is on his profile as standard equipment, he carries it around everywhere.

Okay, few things. One, when Mori Dan uses it for whatever reason it does not appear that fast (argue how however you like, that just seems to be what happens) given it’s apparently slower than a rocket ship (although it seems to be framed as the rocket ship moving at escape velocity so you can use that as a highball ig). It also doesn’t seem to get to the “can create a shockwave which has an infinitely greater intensity all across it than any amount punching I can do” level very quickly, or at least Mori doesn’t seem to use it for that very often, given there wouldn’t be a terrible need for martial arts at that point lol. Honestly given this argument was only used after the 8x speed amp one was refuted I think my scepticism is probably earned.

He has borderline precognition, he will have as much time as he wants to get out of the range before Gojo does his hand sign.


I'm not responding to the rest of the yap because these are the main points of it. If Mori can predict when Gojo does his handsign, he can get out of the effective range basically whenever he wants with the giant staff that is on his profile BTW that extends thousands of times faster than the speed of light (which can cross the earth several times in a single second). The only way Gojo catches Mori in his domain is if Mori turns off his brain cells.

I do not think he has precognition for things he literally has no possible way of knowing, just entirely outside of anything he has experienced and completely ambiguous from even precognition that works like “ah yes his face or muscle twitches gave it away”. Somebody below said “that’s Mori Jin who has to figure it out, not Mori Dan” but it’s not like Mori Dan fundamentally has a different ability, it’s the same ability, and that ability relies on possible inferences, which he cannot make to discern what UV is.

 

[Tago238]

Like...

He’s probably putting CE control feats as skill if imagine.

 

[azontr]

One, when Mori Dan uses it for whatever reason it does not appear that fast (argue whatever you like, that just seems to be what happens)

Nothing ever "appears" faster than the speed of light. It's not a speed that can be drawn. Drawings have to adhere to our pathetic little monkey eyes, or they have no value. This is not an argument, it is an objective fact. The fact that you have used this as an argument towards anything is rather laughable.

It also doesn’t seem to get to the “can create a shockwave which has greater intensity all across it than any amount punching I can do”

Literally the first time it ever expands it does this when Mori has no idea how to use it. Mori Dan actively does not do this because he can control Yeoui's weight and force, but if he's making distance and sees that a black sphere is trying to expand around him, theres no reason for him to hold back unless there are people in the vicinity.

Honestly given this argument was only used after the 8x speed amp one was refuted I think my scepticism is probably earned.

It wasn't even refuted. The guy arguing it never responded which is literally the equivalent of a concession, and the discussion simply moved on.

I do not think he has precognition for things he literally has no possible way of knowing, just entirely outside of anything he has experienced and completely ambiguous from even precognition that works like “ah yes his face or muscle twitches gave it away”.

He has no possible way of knowing that a black sphere is gonna envelop him when a dude crosses his fingers and out loud says the words "DOMAIN EXPANSION" when he instantly knew how a guy's ability worked and the condition to activate it with no prior knowledge or indication that that's how it worked. Okay.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I'm starting to think I should have gone with Sukuna instead.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm starting to think I should have gone with Sukuna instead.

For the love of GOD, please do so, its still a skill stomp but at least then we can discussion Sukuna's domain and Maho usage over. Hell are there any 8-B characters in GOH?

 

[azontr]

Mori Dan vs Sukuna sounds awful thematically, why doesn't GoH have evil people who are fodder.

 

[Majinere566]

What about 666 Satan vs Gojo or Commissioner Q vs Gojo

 

[azontr]

Satan would literally eviscerate Gojo in a nanosecond, how did this thought ever cross your mind

 

[Arkenis]

Satan seems like a mismatch, Commissioner Q looks better than this but how does he get through Infinity?

 

[Duedate8898]

You're using Mori Jin pre-Ragnarok, not Mori Dan. Azontr is correct.

Literally in that scan, Mori is pointing out he's only predicting he doesn't actually know for sure. Whatmore, he only says that after getting a demonstration of his opponents abilities beforehand. Mori is literally just performing conductive reasoning. Literally, the panel after the one that has been posted has Mori saying he doesn't know the activation!

A domain expansion isn't "ANY MOVE"?? It's a giant black sphere trying to envelop Mori. You don't even need to be a combat genius to not want to get stuck inside of a ball.

It's not a move Mori would possess any knowledge of in its functioning, nor is it actually a giant black sphere trying to envelop Mori. Domain expansions are never seen forming their barriers if you're within range, you just appear in the space. There is little to know way for Mori to know what is happening in this instance

 

[azontr]

Literally in that scan, Mori is pointing out he's only predicting he doesn't actually know for sure. Whatmore, he only says that after getting a demonstration of his opponents abilities beforehand. Mori is literally just performing conductive reasoning. Literally, the panel after the one that has been posted has Mori saying he doesn't know the activation!

Why does it matter if it was a prediction if it was literally perfectly right?? Nobody said Mori has some type of supernatural scan ability, but if he can predict how an entire ability works with literally 0 information to go off, it's no different than that. Idk why you even named the album "the full context" like that changes the argument.

It's not a move Mori would possess any knowledge of in its functioning, nor is it actually a giant black sphere trying to envelop Mori

Domain barriers don't form instantaneously. If you argue this, you're arguing domain expansion has infinite speed, which is wrong. Even in the anime, we see Gojo's domain slowly begin to envelop Jogo's. Gege not wanting to draw the domain actually expanding doesn't mean it doesn't expand outward. Literally in the name, Domain EXPANSION, not Domain MANIFESTATION.

There is 0 reason Mori would, even if he hypothetically didn't know how UV works, let Gojo or anybody else trap him ANYWHERE. Even if it was completely harmless, why would he let it happen?

 

[Duedate8898]

Why does it matter if it was a prediction if it was literally perfectly right?? Nobody said Mori has some type of supernatural scan ability, but if he can predict how an entire ability works with literally 0 information to go off, it's no different than that. Idk why you even named the album "the full context" like that changes the argument.

My point is that Mori won't be able to figure out how Gojo's domain works just by looking at Gojo. He has no way to understand the threat of a domain expansion until he experiences it and by that point Mori would lose.

So saying that Mori will know to leap as far as possible doesn't make any sense.

Domain barriers don't form instantaneously. If you argue this, you're arguing domain expansion has infinite speed, which is wrong. Even in the anime, we see Gojo's domain slowly begin to envelop Jogo's. Gege not wanting to draw the domain actually expanding doesn't mean it doesn't expand outward. Literally in the name, Domain EXPANSION, not Domain MANIFESTATION.

I'm not arguing that the barriers form instantly, I'm arguing that the appearance the barrier takes isn't a black sphere from the perspective of those inside the domain. What Mori would see is just the appearance of the stars of Gojo's void before he's enclosed within the barrier.

 

[azontr]

My point is that Mori won't be able to figure out how Gojo's domain works just by looking at Gojo. He has no way to understand the threat of a domain expansion until he experiences it and by that point Mori would lose.

So saying that Mori will know to leap as far as possible doesn't make any sense.

Again, even if he hypothetically doesn't know the exact function of the domain, there is no logical reason for him to just stand there and let himself get trapped.

I'm not arguing that the barriers form instantly, I'm arguing that the appearance the barrier takes isn't a black sphere from the perspective of those inside the domain. What Mori would see is just the appearance of the stars of Gojo's void before he's enclosed within the barrier.

Whatever appearance it is, the point is that it's going to expand out to envelop Mori in a dome. In fact, if it appears to be some cosmic space trying to trap him, that would make him want to get out even more, likely reminding him of his time trapped in the Heavenly Realm.

 

[Arkenis]

It's not a move Mori would possess any knowledge of in its functioning, nor is it actually a giant black sphere trying to envelop Mori. Domain expansions are never seen forming their barriers if you're within range, you just appear in the space. There is little to know way for Mori to know what is happening in this instance

It is a mass of black energy expanding towards them, anyone with basic instincts would think "let me step back before I get got"

I'm not arguing that the barriers form instantly, I'm arguing that the appearance the barrier takes isn't a black sphere from the perspective of those inside the domain. What Mori would see is just the appearance of the stars of Gojo's void before he's enclosed within the barrier.

Those inside are blitzed by it so yeah, Mori here isn't going to be blitzed so he would see the expansion before the stars.

 

[Duedate8898]

Where is the idea that people are blitzed by the summoning of a Domain comes from? Even more, if that was true, since speed is equalized Mori would suffer the fate anyhow. The issue is that Mori has no way to know what the right move is, and typically he doesn't retreat he faces things head on.

Without any real grasp of Domain Expansions, there is very little to say that he would be able to avoid it once summoned.

 

[azontr]

The issue is that Mori has no way to know what the right move is, and typically he doesn't retreat he faces things head on.

There literally is no other right move other than "get out before I'm trapped." That IS the right move in any scenario. You do not need to be nearly as intelligent as Mori to know that you should not just stand there whilst something tries to trap you.

The only way this argument ever works is if you assume Mori quite literally has no brain. And I mean that very literally.

 

[azontr]

Anyways, im sure most people have agreed that this match simply doesn't work because its a mismatch either way. If Ovens changes the matchup I'll be back but this'll be my last post on the topic of Dan Mori vs Gojo Satoru

 

[Duedate8898]

Plenty of people within the series of JJK know what Domains entail, yet the idea of retreating away before they form is never proposed or even given as an idea, except for Sukuna's domain because it's an open one.

This argument is just typically what occurs when someone meets someone else with a domain expansion in JJK.

 

[LIGHTYW]

considering that the speed is equal, if gojo goes immediately for domains, he could win.. as the other dude explained, mori wouldnt have knowledge on domain expansions as he never experiencied one, and i dont think he could simply avoid the domain with their speed equal.. if you look at chapter 249 jjk, even with sukuna being faster than yuta, he gets instantly blitzed by yuta's expansion and trapped in, so if even with a speed advantage one couldnt avoid getting trapped in domain, idk how he would avoid it having equal speed to gojo

 

[Arkenis]

Where is the idea that people are blitzed by the summoning of a Domain comes from?

The fact no one ever tries to avoid them. Why? All domains have a set creation speed, yet no one's ever tried avoiding it, they've instead created counters to domains, mind you some characters can't even react to it let alone move out the expansions aoe.

Plenty of people within the series of JJK know what Domains entail, yet the idea of retreating away before they form is never proposed or even given as an idea, except for Sukuna's domain because it's an open one.

This argument is just typically what occurs when someone meets someone else with a domain expansion in JJK.

Because the domains are so much faster than them its pointless to try. Are we forgetting the characters are generally subsonic?

 

[LIGHTYW]

at a low ball the characters are generally sub relativistic

 

[Arkenis]

yeah just close ts

 

[LIGHTYW]

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okay, few things. One, when Mori Dan uses it for whatever reason it does not appear that fast (argue how however you like, that just seems to be what happens) given it’s apparently slower than a rocket ship (although it seems to be framed as the rocket ship moving at escape velocity so you can use that as a highball ig).

No it has not. It literally statued the rocketship. The rocket was outside of the atmosphere moving faster than a bullet while Mori was down near the ground and his Yeoui instantly caught up to the rocketship. The issue was that he couldn't reach it since yk, his Yeoui was snapped in half at that point.

The powerscaler mindset will immediately go towards the "faster than a bullet" statement but that leaves you with an insane misinterpretation of the scene.

 

[azontr]

Please just let this thread die