Mori Dan vs Satoru Gojo

[Yeolban]

So true Yeolgoat

I never miss.

theres no way gojo wouldnt land atleast a single punch

You'd be surprised, actually

 

[Duedate8898]

Going to be honest, Domain Expansion does just win Gojo this one. I would argue it is in fact a stomp because Mori has no real way to get past Domain Expansion nor would he have the instinct/reason to try and hop out of its range. Though if he did somehow avoid, his win con would be in attacking Gojo while his CT is burnt out and Infinity isn't up.

 

[azontr]

In those panels Mori Dan was given a stimuli to develop. It's not passive in the way you originally phrased it.

He needs stimuli yes, but the stimuli required doesn't need to be on the level of getting beaten to death. There are in fact instances where Mori simply grows despite the fact he basically toyed with his opponent. During his fight with Ryong, I don't think he got directly hit a SINGLE time, yet he came out of the fight stronger than ever before.

My wording was funky, so I apologize either way.

 

[LIGHTYW]

yes.. would mori even be aware that the domain ends the fight?

 

[azontr]

yes.. would mori even be aware that the domain ends the fight?

I mean, I'm pretty sure Gojo making a hand sign and saying "Domain Expansion" is a pretty good indicator that he's about to launch a big move. Especially when Mori's info analysis let's him break down entire abilities with basically zero information to go off.

 

[Phoenks]

He needs stimuli yes, but the stimuli required doesn't need to be on the level of getting beaten to death. There are in fact instances where Mori simply grows despite the fact he basically toyed with his opponent. During his fight with Ryong, I don't think he got directly hit a SINGLE time, yet he came out of the fight stronger than ever before.

But the only time he gets explicitly "8x" stronger/faster is with the actual stimuli, it would seem. And that's over multiple panels.

Gojo could quite easily start with Domain Expansion if he wanted to. And if he doesn't, I still don't think he'd allow him to become that fast.

Also, it seems VERY disingenuous to say he just immediately dodges 100m away outside of the Domain range the moment Gojo claps his hands.

For 1, he has no prior knowledge of what would happen.

For 2, Gojo can teleport right next to him and then open it.

For 3, Domain Expansion blitzes the users of it as well. Speed is equalized so it would be a blitz level above them both at the start of the fight.



So I agree with Duedate in that this is a stomp.

 

[Tago238]

The arguments here are “Mori can negate infinity with an ability that reduces finite distances to smaller ones” and “Mori can dodge UV in speed equal because of an 8x speed amp”. What a weird thread.

 

[DavidTPPM]

And that's over multiple panels.

It's 4 of Mori's attacks to jump more than 8x iirc, "multiple panels" greatly oversells the time.

Also, it seems VERY disingenuous to say he just immediately dodges 100m away outside of the Domain range the moment Gojo claps his hands.

For 1, he has no prior knowledge of what would happen

Mori could decipher that an opponent lowers the ignition point of objects he hears after seeing it a single time with no prior knowledge on the ability either. I'm sure removing his headband, hitting a sexy pose with his fingers, and saying domain expansion, are more than enough to realize a big move is coming.

For 2, Gojo can teleport right next to him and then open it.

Less skilled versions of Mori(s clone) could read and predict teleportation locations without issues, I doubt that would help.

For 3, Domain Expansion blitzes the users of it as well. Speed is equalized so it would be a blitz level above them both at the start of the fight.

So it'd force Mori to jump a blitz tier above his own speed with AD and dodge? Assuming Gojo would for some reason open up with DE before Mori could grow faster, something I don't remember Gojo ever doing.
We've already seen Mori reactively dodge attacks he consciously considered unavoidable before so blitzing him isn't enough.

 

[azontr]

But the only time he gets explicitly "8x" stronger/faster is with the actual stimuli, it would seem. And that's over multiple panels.

For a dying crippled Mori Dan with no power no nothing, yeah ig lol.

Gojo could quite easily start with Domain Expansion if he wanted to. And if he doesn't, I still don't think he'd allow him to become that fast.

Gojo has literally never started with Domain Expansion ever, even against Sukuna he threw hands before he domain clashed. And what do you mean by "allow"? He doesn't have a choice in the matter.

For 1, he has no prior knowledge of what would happen.

His analytical prediction is basically precognition and he has info analysis that let's him decipher how abilities work at a glance despite having no indication of their true mechanism. I dont think it'll be hard for him to predict a black sphere expanding around him.

For 2, Gojo can teleport right next to him and then open it.

Literally fodder GoH characters can predict teleportation while it's happening.

For 3, Domain Expansion blitzes the users of it as well. Speed is equalized so it would be a blitz level above them both at the start of the fight.

Mori has reacted to attacks that blitz him since literally the earliest parts of the series. Also, since when have DE's "blitzed" their user? That makes no sense.

 

[Tago238]

In the best case scenario the speed amp would need to be exceed as 100m/the distance you cross when using a handsign, what’s even being argued here.

Count me for Gojo but I also think it might just be a stomp.

 

[azontr]

Worst case scenario, Mori just uses Yeoui to propel himself out of the Domains range by expanding it. Yeoui expands at MFTL+ speeds, by the by.

 

[azontr]

Wait a f*cking second are yall arguing Gojo immediately starts by expanding his domain at hundreds of meters??

Gojo's domain isn't even NEARLY that big unless he's actively increasing the range. Why are people saying Mori needs to cross hundreds of meters to outrun it?

 

[Phoenks]

In the best case scenario the speed amp would need to be exceed as 100m/the distance you cross when using a handsign, what’s even being argued here.

Count me for Gojo but I also think it might just be a stomp.

Even if Gojo manages to hit him 1/100+ times with the Domain, it's a stomp. Because he would have a clear win condition while Mori Dan does not.

Mori has reacted to attacks that blitz him since literally the earliest parts of the series. Also, since when have DE's "blitzed" their user? That makes no sense.

Reacting =/= outrunning.

And, literally since forever? When has anyone ever dodged or even reacted to the expansion of a Domain Expansion? It's always demonstrated as being nearly instantaneous.

Are you implying that sorcerers could just dodge Domains if they wanted to?

 

[azontr]

Reacting =/= outrunning.

If he can react to it, he can simply propel himself as far away out of the Domain's range as he wants with Yeoui. Which would also destroy Gojo's domain instantly, leaving him without his technique.

 

[Arkenis]

Going incon here. Domain won’t come out and Mori can just dodge it with Yeoui making this a joke of a fight.

 

[Arkenis]

Are you implying that sorcerers could just dodge Domains if they wanted to?

If they were fast enough yes. Domains have a set creation speed that just blitzes these subsonic characters.

 

[azontr]

I'm still confused on the Domain arguments here. Never once in his life has Satoru Gojo, even in the hardest fight of his life, opened his Domain instantly at max range. People are posing it like Gojo has the option to just end the fight as soon as it begins but by the time he decides to use that fight ending option, Mori will know everything he can possibly do and know to stay out of his effective range.

 

[Duedate8898]

I'm still confused on the Domain arguments here. Never once in his life has Satoru Gojo, even in the hardest fight of his life, opened his Domain instantly at max range. People are posing it like Gojo has the option to just end the fight as soon as it begins but by the time he decides to use that fight ending option, Mori will know everything he can possibly do and know to stay out of his effective range.

The issue isn't that Gojo would open his domain at max range, the issue is that when he opens his domain Mori most likely wouldn't choose to try and exit its range. Mori doesn't normally retreat when he witnesses an opponents move, especially at this stage where he's still trying to build himself up again. He wouldn't realize in the moment that the Domain is an insta-kill.

And Mori will not know everything Gojo could possibly do because the way his information analysis works doesn't just let him fully understand an opponents power as soon as he looks at them. He is shown seeing how something works in the moment or even the status of an opponent, but never has Mori demonstrated full ability understanding. In the last season or two (don't fully remember how the final saga broke down), Mori has to figure out or be told how several of his opponents powers work.

 

[azontr]

Mori doesn't normally retreat when he witnesses an opponents move, especially at this stage where he's still trying to build himself up again.

Mori Jin, maybe. But this is Mori Dan. Mori Dan realizes his limitations, his weakness, and uses skill and strategy to get ahead when he can't forcefully muscle his way through battles. The only reason Mori doesnt normally run away from his opponents is because most GoH characters don't have attacks where he would need to make a significant amount of distance from them to survive—with his state of mind, given his abilities, there's no reason he wouldn't make distance from Gojo to escape his domain. Especially when he realizes Gojo primarily uses AoE attacks rather than martial arts.

He is shown seeing how something works in the moment or even the status of an opponent, but never has Mori demonstrated full ability understanding

What are you talking about? The very first time we see Mori's info analysis in full action, he immediately displays full ability understanding and only tries to confirm his already correct theories about how it functions. I do not know what you are even talking about.

 

[Tago238]

I'm still confused on the Domain arguments here. Never once in his life has Satoru Gojo, even in the hardest fight of his life, opened his Domain instantly at max range. People are posing it like Gojo has the option to just end the fight as soon as it begins but by the time he decides to use that fight ending option, Mori will know everything he can possibly do and know to stay out of his effective range.

He doesn’t open it instantly, the issue is Mori can’t hurt him before he does. Idc if Mori can get speed amps in the meantime, speed is equalised and JJK characters (even ones much faster than the ones cast in the domain sometimes) can only react by performing a handsign. Obviously Mori isn’t doing anything at least until the domain starts to come out, so best case scenario for him is we say he has the time to escape equivalent to the time it takes to perform a hand sign. Given that then, his speed amp would have to be equal to maximum range/ distance crossed while performing a hand sign.

Whether it’s the maximum range or not is pointless squabbling since the gap is still too large either way, but the point isn’t that he has to use maximum range, it is that domains are fast enough that even cast at maximum range the best one can do is a hand sign. Ergo that’s the difference Mori has to overcome we are referring to.

As for “propelling off this MFTL thing so fast he either blitzes it or breaks the barrier”, if it’s not even on the page I doubt it’s a go to. Also saying it would destroy internal barriers is an interesting leap.

If they were fast enough yes. Domains have a set creation speed that just blitzes these subsonic characters.

He’s not even making the point domains teleport in (though you can in fact have that argument, it’s just pointless when the best case still has it work), it’s that the speed is equalised and Mori’s amps are not remotely good enough to overcome the gap well enough to literally fully escape the barrier.

 

[Arkenis]

He’s not even making the point domains teleport in (though you can in fact have that argument, it’s just pointless when the best case still has it work), it’s that the speed is equalised and Mori’s amps are not remotely good enough to overcome the gap well enough to literally fully escape the barrier.

Mori just uses Yeoui to propel himself out of the Domains range by expanding it. Yeoui expands at MFTL+ speeds, by the by.

 

[azontr]

As for “propelling off this MFTL thing so fast he either blitzes it or breaks the barrier”, if it’s not even on the page I doubt it’s a go to

Literally just look at Yeoui's page? The thing is on his profile as standard equipment, he carries it around everywhere.

Obviously Mori isn’t doing anything at least until the domain starts to come out, so best case scenario for him is we say he has the time to escape equivalent to the time it takes to perform a hand sisign.

He has borderline precognition, he will have as much time as he wants to get out of the range before Gojo does his hand sign.

I'm not responding to the rest of the yap because these are the main points of it. If Mori can predict when Gojo does his handsign, he can get out of the effective range basically whenever he wants with the giant staff that is on his profile BTW that extends thousands of times faster than the speed of light (which can cross the earth several times in a single second). The only way Gojo catches Mori in his domain is if Mori turns off his brain cells.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

If Gojo uses Doman Expansion it's just gonna go like this:

"Domain Expa-"

"-nd, Yeoui"

And Mori drops a rod the size of a city on top of Gojo.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

their skill level shouldnt be too different

Single most delusional take I have seen this month in this wiki

 

[azontr]

If Gojo uses Doman Expansion it's just gonna go like this:

"Domain Expa-"

"-nd, Yeoui"

And Mori drops a rod the size of a city on top of Gojo.

Well he probably wouldn't drop it but either way the shockwave is shattering Gojo's domain

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Mori has 0 ce so domain is non-factor

 

[azontr]

Verse equalization

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Verse equalization

Not really necessary for this vs to happen.

 

[Duedate8898]

Mori Jin, maybe. But this is Mori Dan. Mori Dan realizes his limitations, his weakness, and uses skill and strategy to get ahead when he can't forcefully muscle his way through battles. The only reason Mori doesnt normally run away from his opponents is because most GoH characters don't have attacks where he would need to make a significant amount of distance from them to survive—with his state of mind, given his abilities, there's no reason he wouldn't make distance from Gojo to escape his domain. Especially when he realizes Gojo primarily uses AoE attacks rather than martial arts.

I think you're not realizing what I'm saying. The problem is that Mori doensn't instantly look at any move his opponent takes and makes distance which is what he would have to do in order to avoid getting caught in the domain expansion. He is more likely to study or even attempt to attack Gojo mid forming the domain than he is to just instantly leap a large distance away.

What are you talking about? The very first time we see Mori's info analysis in full action, he immediately displays full ability understanding and only tries to confirm his already correct theories about how it functions. I do not know what you are even talking about.

Chapter 210, Mori utilizes his eyes to locate Ilpyo, however the main reason he is looking for Ilpyo is because he doesn't know how to utilize Ilpyo's fox bead nor what it does. Mori doesn't just get instant knowledge, he has to figure things out. Him literally having to confirm his theories also proves that he doesn't actually just have a perfect understanding.

He wouldn't be able to grasp that a Domain Expansion is an insta-kill, nor would he know that Gojo's domain is especially so. The most he'd be able to figure out is that Gojo is attempting to create a space to trap him within or to give him some type of advantage

 

[Yeolban]

Chapter 210, Mori utilizes his eyes to locate Ilpyo, however the main reason he is looking for Ilpyo is because he doesn't know how to utilize Ilpyo's fox bead nor what it does. Mori doesn't just get instant knowledge, he has to figure things out. Him literally having to confirm his theories also proves that he doesn't actually just have a perfect understanding.

You're using Mori Jin pre-Ragnarok, not Mori Dan. Azontr is correct.

 

[azontr]

The problem is that Mori doensn't instantly look at any move his opponent takes and makes distance which is what he would have to do in order to avoid getting caught in the domain expansion

A domain expansion isn't "ANY MOVE"?? It's a giant black sphere trying to envelop Mori. You don't even need to be a combat genius to not want to get stuck inside of a ball.

 

[LIGHTYW]

its a inconnnnnn

 

[LIGHTYW]

Single most delusional take I have seen this month in this wiki

i mean, gojo is pretty skilled..

 

[Yeolban]

i mean, gojo is pretty skilled..

We know he's skilled, the problem is that being "pretty skilled" against Mori means that you're dogsh*t. Go on his profile, read his combat intelligence section, and you'll get it.

 

[LIGHTYW]

ive read it.. and from what i read.. theyre pretty comparable..

 

[azontr]

He did not, in fact, read it.

 

[LIGHTYW]

He did not, in fact, read it.

I DID BRO, but for me.. gojos feats are more impressive ngl

 

[azontr]

I have no negative or hypothetically offensive opinions on that.

 

[Robo432343]

i think he read it but does not understand it

 

[Arkenis]

I DID BRO, but for me.. gojos feats are more impressive ngl

What feats?