Morgoth revision

[Antvasima]

@Aeyu

I have unlocked the profiles. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Is it okay if I provide supplementry edits, such as if i notice a mistake in the grammer and/or category?

 

[MasterOfArda]

I would appreciate it if I were the one allowed to make the reasoning.

What are you going to write?

 

[MasterOfArda]

Never mind.

Aeyu can do it, as I have to leave.

However, can you at least leave the pages unlocked for a couple minutes so we can see what was written and decide if anything more needs to be done?

 

[Aeyu]

Morgoth's still isn't unlocked, by the way.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will unlock Morgoth as well.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Can you provide a source for Aule being the second strongest Valar?

 

[Aeyu]

Aule

It's based off his abilities and capabilities being the most similar to Melkor, as well as being the only being close to being able to create life of his own.

Not to mention the descending list of Vala aren't necessarily supposed to represent "the most powerful," but instead the most prominent.

 

[Aeyu]

I have finished with the edits.

 

[MasterOfArda]

If it is never conclusively proven you shouldn't add it.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Also, where was it stated the Maiar are incomparable to the Valar.

 

[Aeyu]

If you had taken the time to notice, I have rectified this issue.

And really? They are vastly above the Maiar. I hope you don't honestly expect me to give you sources right now, unless you think Eonwe or Gandalf are comparable to Manwe.

 

[MasterOfArda]

If you had taken the time to notice, I have rectified this issue.

What is "this issue."

Aule still says the same thing.

Though I will yield on the Valar vs Maiar thing.

 

[Aeyu]

The issue you were talking about with him not conclusively being #2 to Manwe; I considered what you said and changed his rating accordingly.

 

[MasterOfArda]

So we agree on that?

Also, would you be okay if I changed the names of the Valar to their real names.

And good call on creation for Aule.

 

[Aeyu]

Yes. And like, the actual Valar language names?

I feel like it would cause problems for people looking for Valar that they know (the original names like Manawenuz are ultra-obscure)

 

[MasterOfArda]

Yes.
And like, the actual Valar language names?

No. I mean Aule to Aulë.

 

[Aeyu]

Well, I honestly don't know why they weren't that already, except I recall there maybe being issues with the unique characters.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Okay.

I will change them, if you don't mind.

 

[Aeyu]

That should be fine unless it causes issues with the site, right?

 

[MasterOfArda]

It won't as long as we leave redirects.

 

[MasterOfArda]

What do you think of my picture for Irmo?

Also, we should probably avoid editing the Valar anymore, or else non-corpreality starts acting up and that gets very frustrating.

 

[Aeyu]

I like it, I think it's a very welcome addition.

I think we should replace Nessa's as well, as it looks very problematic. The picture screams DeviantArt profile, with her name in the lower left-hand corner.

 

[MasterOfArda]

We also need to change Eru.

 

[MasterOfArda]

@Azathoth

Wouldn't "At least High 3-A, likely Low 2-C" be better.

Also, we should probably add justifications for the Valar's Immeasurable speed, as weel as removing the likely since the Maiar have it for sure.

 

[Aeyu]

Why is that any different than what's featured on their profiles?

 

[MasterOfArda]

Likely Low 2-C dosen't imply a High 3-A low-end.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Would anyone mind if I elaborated on the nature of the Valar's comceptual manipulation?

 

[Aeyu]

Explain this High 3-A low end.

 

[MasterOfArda]

The Valar have some level of 4-D power.

At the very least this is High 3-A, though likely Low 2-C for the reasons outlined.

 

[Antvasima]

If you have changed the names for the profiles of some characters, this will cause problems when I run the script to lock them again.

As such, I would appreciate if you write a list with all of the current page titles.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Honestly, I am very happy with how the Valar pages turned out. We just need Azathoth to decide on the High 3-A low-end and then we can close this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Azathoth will likely not notice unless you place a note on his message wall.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Bump.

 

[Antvasima]

Have you asked Azathoth to comment here?

 

[MasterOfArda]

Yes.

I should probably just wait for him.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Bump.

 

[MasterOfArda]

Azathoth accepted the High 3-A low-end.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that it should be fine to apply then, but unfortunately he wiki is locked at the moment.