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Monica's Gang/Turma da mônica GD

Dragonite007 said:
The God tier of Turma da Mônica will be: God, Maurício and Dona Morte.

now, only from Turma da Mônica Jovem is: Provedor, Força Motriz Universal and the Serpente
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Dona morte beingh the weakest of thouse, but I wonder who is tronger, God or Mauricio? (Also You forget the devil, God Cebolinha and Louco)
 
Dragonite007 said:
The God tier of Turma da Mônica will be: God, Maurício and Dona Morte.

now, only from Turma da Mônica Jovem is: Provedor, Força Motriz Universal and the Serpente
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How do we deal with the relation between regulat TDM and TDMJ? Like, it os said numerous times that the latter is the future of the former, but it is also said that they are alternate universes.......do we treat it as the authors changing things for plot or something?
 
omegabronic said:
How do we deal with the relation between regulat TDM and TDMJ? Like, it os said numerous times that the latter is the future of the former, but it is also said that they are alternate universes.......do we treat it as the authors changing things for plot or something?
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TMJ is another continuity that ustilizes the idea of the classic as It's past, TDM original confirmed It to be a alternative universe, basically, fourth wall breaking bullshit that separate boths into the infinity comics multiverse
 
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Also, considering popey profi1e this feat alone would let TDM characters scale to low 1-C without a need of "with higher dimension manipulation" just in their base
 
Dragonite007 said:
The post-reboot has 2-A range, the pre-reboot just has High 3-A range
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Oh, okay
Dragonite007 said:
Interestingly, the feat comes from exactly the comic you scanned
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Yes, and is similar to that Popey feat
It was a low 1-C feat but seen like It's now a low 2-C feat... but thankd to the extend of TDM cosmology It is a low 1-C feat at least
 
Hum... do You guys think the fact that the end of time It self wasn't a event that affected the entire TDM cosmology intantly in the "Uma aventura no tempo" movie could give the characters imessurable or infinity speed? After all they alread work in 2 separated time dimensions (the logical one (piteco > monica > astronauta) and the comic publishment one (piteco monica and astronauta exist at the same moment in time)
 
Also, the events of the De Volta pro futuro cinigibi occoured in the real world, so we at least have a argument dor them to be immesurable at least inside the comics
 
Also, 11:18 we learn about "tempo folha" would this be a third temporal axis or just one of the 2 we alread discussed? For me It seen to be a third one that lay in the middle of the 2 we discussed before, the monicas in that comic would be working in the publishment time line, traveling into the tempo folha and the bairro do limoeiro working on conventional time
 

Tier 1: Extradimensional​

Characters or objects that can significantly affect spaces of qualitatively greater sizes than ordinary universal models and spaces, usually represented in fiction by higher levels or states of existence (Or "levels of infinity", as referred below) which trivialize everything below them into insignificance, normally by perceiving them as akin to fictional constructs or something infinitesimal.

Low 1-C: Low Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)

1-C: Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to three to five higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model. In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 7 and 9-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 7 to R ^ 9)

High 1-C: High Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to six to seven higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model. In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 10 and 11-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 10 to R ^ 11)

1-B: Hyperverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds from 8 to any higher finite number of levels of infinity above a standard universal model. In terms of "dimensional" size, this can be equated to 12-dimensional real coordinate spaces and up (R ^ 12 and up)

High 1-B: High Hyperverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy structures whose size is equivalent to a countably infinite number of qualitative sizes above a universal model, usually represented in fiction by endless hierarchies of layers of existence, each succeeding one completely trivializing the previous into insignificance, or more generally a space with countably infinite dimensions.

1-A: Transcendent​

Characters or objects that functionally transcend the rest of the Tiering System. These characters are completely transcendent to even those that have absolute power over a single infinite hierarchy of levels of infinity.

Low 1-A: Low Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions greater than the set of natural numbers, meaning in simple terms that the number of dimensions is aleph-1 (An uncountably infinite number, assumed to be the cardinality of the real numbers themselves), and therefore that such objects fully exceed High 1-B structures, which have only a countably infinite number of dimensions. More information on the concept is available on this page.

Note that, if the High 1-B structure in question is a hierarchy of levels of existence, then simply being at the top of such a hierarchy does not qualify a character for this tier without more context, and an additional layer added on top of the "infinity-th" level of this hierarchy is likewise not enough. To qualify as an equivalent of the above description, they need to surpass the hierarchy as a whole, and not simply be on another level within it.

1-A: Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures with a number of dimensions equal to the cardinal aleph-2, which in practical terms also equals a level that completely exceeds Low 1-A structures to the same degree that they exceed High 1-B and below. This can be extrapolated to larger cardinal numbers as well, such as aleph-3, aleph-4, and so on, and works in much the same way as 1-C and 1-B in that regard. Characters that stand an infinite number of steps above baseline 1-A are to have a + modifier in their Attack Potency section (Outerverse level+).

High 1-A: High Outerverse level​

Characters or objects that can affect structures that are larger than what the logical framework defining 1-A and below can allow, and as such exceed any possible number of levels contained in the previous tiers, including an infinite or uncountably infinite number. Practically speaking, this would be something completely unreachable to any 1-A hierarchies.
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Okay, Let's go step by step on the TDM cosmology

first, we have 6 diferent sapce time exis, 3 that are space based and 3 that are time based, all are iinfinity, all of thouse are basics and present on the base
there are them the Monicaverso, that is the finite(don't think(or remenber) we have enough proof of the monicaverso or the magaliverse etc are infinity in size) thouse are the variations of each character comic, so monica original, monica jovem, etc
Then we have the mauricioverso that contains all the mauricio comics, exiting the monica verso, the cebolinha verso, magali verso, etc, the bairro fo limoeiro etc, thouse where the comics happen seen to be in the same level as mauricio verso as all the characters can interact together and exist together, each character verse inside the infinity mauricio verso is based on a comic, so cebolinha comics have the cebolinha verso, horacio comics have the horcioverse, etc
then we have infinity alternative realities and branching time lines of the mauricioverso, exemples would be the time a boneca tenebrosa pretending to be chaveco made a entire separated time line where xaveco was the main character in place of Monica
now, the mauricio verso exist inside the Gibis infinitos that are infinity alternative comicbooks realities that exist paralel to the mauricio verso
and them we have the real world that see everything bellow here as fiction

so, counting here we start with a 6D plane that is enough for low-1-C
Them we have the mauricioverso that is also infinity in size, I think this is enough for a 1-C as this would be 7 sizes of infinity
the mauricio verso has also infinity timelines and paralel dimensions, together they become 9 layers of infinity as each paralel dimension would have It's own infinity alternative time lines... BUT excluding the Tempo Pagina that is a conection betwing comics them selfs, this mean that each has 2 infinity branching time lines, so this is now a 10 layers of infinity, High 1-C
the mauricio verso is one of the infinity infinitos gibis, so we have one more layers of infinity, 11 layers
now we have the real world where the writers and mauricio exist, seeing all of this as a fictional 2D plane, 12 layers

Monica is a 1-B verse, if the monica verse, cebolinha verse etc are also infinity, we will have 13 layers... so the original TDM is 1-B, I don't think we will have anything above that unless that It's stated that the infinity gibis are also inside a infinity hirarquy of infinities
(maybe the DC crossover or the de volta pro futuro parody could help us with that)
,If the real world is as big in cosmology as the base TDM cosmology this would still scale to mauricio as he created characters like god and morte that are also their respective representations on the real world as well, maybe we can get that infinity hirarqui using god and Dona Morte, maybe louco too, but other then that I think the scaling stop at 1-B.... also Turma Da Monica are 12, possible 13, dimensional beings

Any corrections?
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Okay, Let's go step by step on the TDM cosmology

first, we have 6 diferent sapce time exis, 3 that are space based and 3 that are time based, all are iinfinity, all of thouse are basics and present on the base
there are them the Monicaverso, that is the finite(don't think(or remenber) we have enough proof of the monicaverso or the magaliverse etc are infinity in size) thouse are the variations of each character comic, so monica original, monica jovem, etc
Then we have the mauricioverso that contains all the mauricio comics, exiting the monica verso, the cebolinha verso, magali verso, etc, the bairro fo limoeiro etc, thouse where the comics happen seen to be in the same level as mauricio verso as all the characters can interact together and exist together, each character verse inside the infinity mauricio verso is based on a comic, so cebolinha comics have the cebolinha verso, horacio comics have the horcioverse, etc
then we have infinity alternative realities and branching time lines of the mauricioverso, exemples would be the time a boneca tenebrosa pretending to be chaveco made a entire separated time line where xaveco was the main character in place of Monica
now, the mauricio verso exist inside the Gibis infinitos that are infinity alternative comicbooks realities that exist paralel to the mauricio verso
and them we have the real world that see everything bellow here as fiction

so, counting here we start with a 6D plane that is enough for low-1-C
Them we have the mauricioverso that is also infinity in size, I think this is enough for a 1-C as this would be 7 sizes of infinity
the mauricio verso has also infinity timelines and paralel dimensions, together they become 9 layers of infinity as each paralel dimension would have It's own infinity alternative time lines... BUT excluding the Tempo Pagina that is a conection betwing comics them selfs, this mean that each has 2 infinity branching time lines, so this is now a 10 layers of infinity, High 1-C
the mauricio verso is one of the infinity infinitos gibis, so we have one more layers of infinity, 11 layers
now we have the real world where the writers and mauricio exist, seeing all of this as a fictional 2D plane, 12 layers

Monica is a 1-B verse, if the monica verse, cebolinha verse etc are also infinity, we will have 13 layers... so the original TDM is 1-B, I don't think we will have anything above that unless that It's stated that the infinity gibis are also inside a infinity hirarquy of infinities
(maybe the DC crossover or the de volta pro futuro parody could help us with that)
,If the real world is as big in cosmology as the base TDM cosmology this would still scale to mauricio as he created characters like god and morte that are also their respective representations on the real world as well, maybe we can get that infinity hirarqui using god and Dona Morte, maybe louco too, but other then that I think the scaling stop at 1-B.... also Turma Da Monica are 12, possible 13, dimensional beings

Any corrections?
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Oh wait, the real world has It's own infinity branching time lines too(can be seen in the 60 years especial where branching time lines where created by marko tring to make Mauricio not write the first comic, the de volta pro futuro cinigibi also happens in the real world having btanching time lines too) so sinse mauricio created god and DonaMorte the verse is probable 13D or 14D, still 1-B only trough
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Okay, Let's go step by step on the TDM cosmology

first, we have 6 diferent sapce time exis, 3 that are space based and 3 that are time based, all are iinfinity, all of thouse are basics and present on the base
there are them the Monicaverso, that is the finite(don't think(or remenber) we have enough proof of the monicaverso or the magaliverse etc are infinity in size) thouse are the variations of each character comic, so monica original, monica jovem, etc
Then we have the mauricioverso that contains all the mauricio comics, exiting the monica verso, the cebolinha verso, magali verso, etc, the bairro fo limoeiro etc, thouse where the comics happen seen to be in the same level as mauricio verso as all the characters can interact together and exist together, each character verse inside the infinity mauricio verso is based on a comic, so cebolinha comics have the cebolinha verso, horacio comics have the horcioverse, etc
then we have infinity alternative realities and branching time lines of the mauricioverso, exemples would be the time a boneca tenebrosa pretending to be chaveco made a entire separated time line where xaveco was the main character in place of Monica
now, the mauricio verso exist inside the Gibis infinitos that are infinity alternative comicbooks realities that exist paralel to the mauricio verso
and them we have the real world that see everything bellow here as fiction

so, counting here we start with a 6D plane that is enough for low-1-C
Them we have the mauricioverso that is also infinity in size, I think this is enough for a 1-C as this would be 7 sizes of infinity
the mauricio verso has also infinity timelines and paralel dimensions, together they become 9 layers of infinity as each paralel dimension would have It's own infinity alternative time lines... BUT excluding the Tempo Pagina that is a conection betwing comics them selfs, this mean that each has 2 infinity branching time lines, so this is now a 10 layers of infinity, High 1-C
the mauricio verso is one of the infinity infinitos gibis, so we have one more layers of infinity, 11 layers
now we have the real world where the writers and mauricio exist, seeing all of this as a fictional 2D plane, 12 layers

Monica is a 1-B verse, if the monica verse, cebolinha verse etc are also infinity, we will have 13 layers... so the original TDM is 1-B, I don't think we will have anything above that unless that It's stated that the infinity gibis are also inside a infinity hirarquy of infinities
(maybe the DC crossover or the de volta pro futuro parody could help us with that)
,If the real world is as big in cosmology as the base TDM cosmology this would still scale to mauricio as he created characters like god and morte that are also their respective representations on the real world as well, maybe we can get that infinity hirarqui using god and Dona Morte, maybe louco too, but other then that I think the scaling stop at 1-B.... also Turma Da Monica are 12, possible 13, dimensional beings

Any corrections?
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Sources?
 
Iti malia a moitinha qui fofa

More proff of acasuality and immortality type 1

Talking about immortality type 1, everyone should get that sinse when making 7 years they just go back to 6 in the next comic
 
Dragonite007 said:
So, the children of Umbra are not dead, alive and aren't ghosts, so what type of Immortality they get?
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Still undead I think, probable also get type 1

And If you streach enough, possible type 5, but I doubt, beingh not dead nor alive is still what make a undead(living dead) and there are other undeads that aren't ghosts, like bandhees, skeletons, etc

So probable just type 1 and 7
 
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