I agree sleep disorder probably shouldn't have Death Manipulation, since it's a result of the soul leaving the body.
I don’t understand this argument
, the only way to go to the sea of afterlife is if you are already dead. Since it is the afterlife.(besides Suho because he contains both life and death in one body so can freely move between the world of life and the world of death)
Exposed to mana->die->travel to the afterlife.
It is just
dying that causes you to go there. The only way for the soul to go there is if it already died
Just for you
@Sevil Natas
the things I don't mention are fine imo
Like I said before, this is just soul stuff going on, not death manip.
There is no death manip going on here either, people just couldn't handle all that power and died, it literally says in the second scan that humans are incapable of withstanding the rulers/monarchs powers as the hosts would simple crumble to dust. This is literally the reason why the whole "system" shit exist lmao, to slowly grant the host power so they don't ******* explode from all of it. This is a common trope in fiction, dragon ball super has it too with Moro absorbing an angel power and being unable to handle it to the point he had to merge with the planet to try and control the huge power he absorbed.
The whole point was that they are different applications , monarchs have excessive mana, large amounts of mana causes eternal slumber. If someone so much as touches that power they outright have their souls killed, souls exploding is a different application.and just another possibility if power is forced within the vessels
What's the context here because this is vague as all hell
Huh? It is literally just talking about how norma sellners abilities to see the future became useless (she lost it entirely) when a powerful being such as jinwoo descended. Can’t be more clear than that
The transmutation comes from the surroundings being twisted, there is also this
scan showing farther details of the surroundings
Pretty sure this is just a common weakness for necromancy as there is no body or soul to interact with there is nothing to bring back
It causes resistance to jinwoos necromancy
Resistance because their souls can't be accessed by Jinwoo's necromancy, since their souls are reduced to a state that is more nonexistent than nothingness. Jinwoo is capable of bringing back people from nothingness, but not the Monarchs
This is kinda something. The first couple of scans are about the whole twisting causality thing that is way too vague for me.
The second one is the whole thing about the apostle of nightmares and his powers? why would this scale to sung? also who is the one being torn to pieces? the nightmare apostle? suho? the shadow monarch?
Nightmare apostle
For the last scans, the ones about the apostle of evolution, he wants to become something like the shadow monarch and in this context is about being able to kill god,
Not really, the shadow monarch isn’t even the one who killed god so he has no reason to copy him if that was his actual goal, his goal was
immortality, and so he copied the shadow monarch who was the strongest in the war,he was only able to copy the shadow soldiers, and not even fully
instead he accomplishes his own version of a shadow soldier which we know need some EE to be killed and afaik neither Suho nor Beru can do that so it makes sense why hitting the mist doesn't give them much result as, that's why the text explicitly says no matter how many times they defeat or kill him hell just come back to life... like a shadow soldier. This whole thing would need to go.
Suho directly states that he has no need for the power because he will get jinwoos power later (which can already control causality) this gives context on jinwoos control over causality. Also Suho killed him, Suho does have EE.
* we already talked about regen
Don’t recall,but imma try hgr based off of concepts soon.
Honestly this is way too many scans for way too little, irrelevant scans are added for flair too ig.
For starters, why is this considered nonexistent phys to begin with? Sung and his world are mostly described as "darkness", "shadows" and "death", not as "non-existent", "void", or "empty" or something like that. It's always darkness or shadows. Even when they mention the abyss it is an abyss of darkness/shadows.
The explanation is in the voids section. The world tree which is nothingness itself is also darkness as it is a literal shadow,death is the deepest reaches of darkness,all characters are born from the world tree as either light or darkness, etc everything returns to darkness.otherwise known as true death & absolute nothingness
Lacking/transcending the concept of death doesn't qualify either afaik, you need proof of Sung's very concept or concepts necessary for his existence, being gone and him still being there after that, why is the world devourer there too? did someone get actually erased by that and still "existed"?
World devourer leads to nothingness, so whatever it erases literally goes to the sea where characters “still exist “ it is in fact compared to Antares as both are laws of destruction/annihilation (with Antares being even more fundamental destruction)
Sevil told me there are actual scans for nonexistent phys but most of these aint them. Ya'll should fix this
I talked to spaceman and he agrees with the layers ,just wants the reasoning to reflect the
scans, so I will change the reasoning
not only nothing here even remotely hints at a type 1 concept but also the claim that "death" dwarfs the world tree is immediately contradicted in the last set of scans as the dragon monarch tells suho that only the roots of the world tree lie in the sea of the afterlife, the rest is all over the universe
The world tree is literally planted inside the sea of death, the tree is just large enough that it’s branches can cover the whole universe ,yet the world tree is so small it can’t be found even after an infinite amount of years. Even if you want to argue that the branches are taller than the roots and trunk of the world tree, it still wouldn’t be large enough that it allows the infinite amount of years to become a low amount of time,meaning the sea still DAWRFS it (and branches literally still exist in the sea of afterlife)
It is a type 1 concept because it exists beyond reality and is the fundamental principle that sustains existence , even if you argue that is type 2, the concept of death is still beyond the world tree
. Also, where does it say the concept of pain and death got destroyed? It just says the world of eternal rest LACKS those concepts which sounds like an inherent thing in said place and not an ability or something done by Sung.
Bro what
, said place is jinwoo himself, with jinwoo literally being able to destroy everything created and return it to nothingness.which logically includes the world tree as even death melts into it.
Same thing as above. Type 2 at best.
Same as above, concept governing all of existence while also not being apart of reality (the universe being destroyed won’t affect the world tree because it exists in the sea of death, while the world tree being destroyed would cause the whole universe to end. Should be type 1, death being beyond even that should be clearly type 1 concept
Not sure about the Death Manipulation for monarchs since it seems like a side-effect of their power destroying them, not directly inducing death.
Hmm, alright, though does this
help? Or no,probably not.
Though since the sea of death is death itself, and touching it causes you to die , debuff death would be a literal affliction of the concept of death.and should be death manip right? Though it would be the nature of the sea instead of monarchs themselves and idk how to word that
. Imma have to redo them later. No wonder people are confused
