Misc Digimon Revisions lll

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Might as well do this now. These updates are simple this time around though.

Lucemon and the Powers of the Three Great Angels
Yeah yeah we know, it never ends with this guy. To put it simply, Lucemon should have all the abilities of the 3 Great Angels. For those who are unfamiliar, the 3 Great Angels are Seraphimo, Ophanimo and Cherubimo.

It is said that Lucemon's abilities have now been inherited and split among the Three Great Angels.
	~ Digimon Reference Book (Lucemon)​

Its ruling power was passed down to the Three Great Angels.
	~ Da-518​

A great Angel Digimon that stopped the war and brought peace to the ancient Digital World. Its abilities, which surpass even that of Perfect levels, were inherited by the Three Great Angels.
	~ 1-110​

It is said over and over that the powers that the Three Great Angels have are inheritances of Lucemon's power, what do you think add the power of the three to the Lucemon (Child)? It would be a good addition.

Kid Lucemon "At least Low 2-C" Tier
This piggies back off of the last topic. Due to his abilities and power being spread across to 3 Great Angels, he should have an "At least Low 2-C" tiering for Databook Lucemon. 4-B Lucemon will be dubbed "Frontier Lucemon".

WarGreymon, BlackWarGreymon and MetalGarurumon X file updates
So these guys are scaled to Omegamon. However, they were scaled when Omegamon still had a 3-A tier. As such I say we upgrade them to solid Low 2-C from being able to make Omegamon flinch.

Champion level Multipliers
For those who want to discuss it, discuss it.

 

[PaChi2]

I like how lucemon just gets stronger.

Its a meme at this point.

And no, I dont think Lucemon should be given the abilities of the 3 Angels, sorry. But "power" usually goed with AP, it doesnt mean every single ability the 3 Great angels have comes from Lucemon. That would mean the Angels were powerless before he was sealed.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

To be fair, it isn't much.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Oh wait...Kid Lucemon get's resistances....Cherubimon gives some good stuff.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Kid Lucemon: Sure. But it'll downgrade, or at least add a new tab to, Susanoomon. Also, f*** Lucemon (and you're welcome for "reminding" Ex)

The X characters: Again, you're welcome. I'm the one who brought that one up in the first place. But if they can only make him flinch, then High 3-A is better. I'm not against Low 2-C though.

Appmon: Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree I don't think any multipliers can be used like that unless they're incredibly consistent, which I need more proof to see if they are (tbh, I don't agree on the tier 6 Digimon being tier 6 right now...). For example, Raiden's Ripper Mode is stated to boost him 10x. A calc for a feat in Ripper Mode is 9.8x his best base feat. So definitely legitimate. This is probably gonna wind up going through anyway

 

[Executor_N0]

That would mean the Angels were powerless before he was sealed.

In fact they were, the Three Great Angels only attained this level of power after receiving the power of Lucemon. This is shown in Digimon World Re: Digitize Decode where a fragment of Lucemon is what originates the Seraphimon of the Three Great Angels

 

[PaChi2]

Oh, the Low 2-C key for Lucey and the other's upgrade seem okay.

I only disagree with The 3 great angels stuff.

No idea about the Appmon thing.

 

[PaChi2]

In fact they were, the Three Great Angels only attained this level of power after receiving the power of Lucemon. This is shown in Digimon World Re: Digitize Decode where a fragment of Lucemon is what originates the Seraphimon of the Three Great Angels

I meant as, literal powerless dummies. MagnaAngemon can digievolve into Seraphimon, so I still dont see this.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Susanoomon never fought Kid Lucemon. He only fought Falldown, Satan and Larva Mode Lucemon.

The power levels are literally referenced multiple times in the anime. Every anime episode shows these power levels.

Also regarding Tier 6 Digimon. The multiplier was not only stated by the Digimon Analyzer, but it is consistent with the portrayals of File Island and Folder Continent Digimon. Also, we've done the same things before and it is not considered a wrong.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@PaChi It literally says abilities, not just power. Read the scans again. Abilities is quite bluntly stated.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It is said that Lucemon's abilities have now been inherited and split among the Three Great Angels.
	~ Digimon Reference Book (Lucemon)​

A great Angel Digimon that stopped the war and brought peace to the ancient Digital World. Its abilities, which surpass even that of Perfect levels, were inherited by the Three Great Angels.
	~ 1-110​

 

[Executor_N0]

The increase of Appmon is not linear, one can see in the fight between Raidramon (12500) against DoGatchmon (7500), Dosukomon (10000) and Mediamon (5800) and Raidramon did not even feel their blows (The most powerful punch of the Dosukomon not even served to drive Raidramon away from where he was). In addition after receiving the 1.5 times increase in numerical power they were able to beat the Ultimate Four, with the extra power that Leviathan gave them, with extreme ease which had earlier humiliated them in combat. The increase in power of the Appli Drive Duo is certainly greater than 1.5 times.

 

[PaChi2]

@Dragon huh, Okay, I must have misread it, sorry.

Still, proof which abilities come from lucemon and which no... you cannot simply assume that everything comes from lucemon. Thats my only issue...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It flat out just says abilities, nothing more. So whatever the True ones can do, he can do.

 

[Executor_N0]

I meant as, literal powerless dummies. MagnaAngemon can digievolve into Seraphimon, so I still dont see this.

But this Seraphimon will not be the member of the Three Great Angels. Lucemon is directly connected to the Three Great Angels and not to any other Seraphimon / Ofanimon / Cherubimon. We can clearly see the difference between these two types of Digimon in HyperColosseum, the Seraphimon of the Three Great Angels has a "Testament" inferior than the "Seven Heavens" while others Seraphimon (Like that of Takeru) have the "Testament" superior to "Seven Heavens ".

 

[PaChi2]

@Executor

That was my point. Then, you'd have to give the abilities that differentiate the Three Great Angel Seraphimon from a regular Seraphimon. And those abilities would be the ones that come from Lucey. Nothing else.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Susanoomon never fought Kid Lucemon. He only fought Falldown, Satan and Larva Mode Lucemon.

The power levels are literally referenced multiple times in the anime. Every anime episode shows these power levels.

Also regarding Tier 6 Digimon. The multiplier was not only stated by the Digimon Analyzer, but it is consistent with the portrayals of File Island and Folder Continent Digimon. Also, we've done the same things before and it is not considered a wrong.

If you add the tabber for Frontier, then those were still Frontier!Lucemon, who featwise, isn't Low 2-C. He really needs those games and those databooks which we should treat like we treat Naruto's.

#doublestandard #ovo

Still no, my friend. Feats are still > statements, and using it here when we don't use them for Dragon Ball or Yu Yu Hakusho would be remiss.

What's a Digimon analyzer? Also, you're assuming that I don't disagree with that rating for multipliers. Heck. Our favorite spearwielder got downgraded because his tier 4 feat was from scaling form someone who used multipliers. Heck, I would've been made Zygarde FTL by now, and I could make a better case for that ovo jk.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

"Still no, my friend. Feats are still > statements, and using it here when we don't use them for Dragon Ball or Yu Yu Hakusho would be remiss."

Except it is displayed by feats in the series. Either way it was a question. Really not in the mood for this so forget it.

"What's a Digimon analyzer? Also, you're assuming that I don't disagree with that rating for multipliers."

Except this is bluntly stated by the Digimon Analyzer, i.e a machine that has full knowledge of other powers. As long as Jin's rating is not seen as a wrong, then I will not accept this as a wrong.

And please stop with those jokes. They are in real bad taste as I know how you feel about Digimon and as such those jokes seem more real than anything.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The thing is, they were measured at being 1,000 times stronger by a clinical, scientific analyzer. No hyperbole or anything. They're canonically 1,000 times stronger than the Digimon of File Island.

Anyway, I'm okay with Kid Lucemon since it does say abilities.

Don't know enough about Appmon to give an opinion.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Aight. Fine. Jokes done, though I don't have a problem with the Digimon that are currently a form of 6-A, nor any of the Digimon shows or most of the games. And I literally agreed to everything else.

I was planning to downgrade Jin anyway. So I will make a thread on it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Basically what Lucemon gets.

Explosion Manipulation (Can recreate the Big Bang), Electricity Manipulation, Healing, Soul Purification (Only works on evil beings), Portal Creation, Limited Probability Manipulation, Time Paradox Immunity, Portal Creation | All previous abilities, Soul Manipulation and Pain Manipulation, Hellfire Manipulation, Dimensional BFR, Resurrection, Summoning, Crystal Manipulation, Resistance to Soul Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Existence Erasure (From Cherubimon Vice), Regenerationn (Mid-High), Electricity Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Dimensional BFR, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Body Control, Teleportation, Fire Manipulation, Age Manipulation, Healing, Absorption, Flight, Gravity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Memory Manipulation.

Some of these might be Wendimon stuff. Forgot what exactly Wendimon did.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Aight. Fine. Jokes done, though I don't have a problem with the Digimon that are currently a form of 6-A, nor any of the Digimon shows or most of the games. And I literally agreed to everything else.
I was planning to downgrade Jin anyway. So I will make a thread on it.

Thank you. I'm sorry I snapped. I've just been wanting to say that for awhile. I am just sick of having a spat between us on these threads.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I agree, though that's why I use jokes. To lighten the mood.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Cal We discarded the Appmon Multipliers. Heck it's no longer in the OP.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I didn't read after the initial starting. My bad. Honest.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Anyway, these multipliers are legitimate due to the source it comes from (A scientific analyzer. It is most definitely not hyperbole). Not only that, this is also consistent to how many times Folder Continent and File Island Digimon have been treated.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mind elaborating? I'm not asking for proof or anything, as you know I trust ya. Just for me to get more knowledge.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

The Digimon Analyzer is kind of like a Pokedex. It has knowledge of all Digimon and the differences in power. Folder Continent Digimon have been stated multiple times to be so much stronger than the File Island Digimon that the File Island Digimon cannot ever hope to compare (Just like X-Antibody and Base mons. Only with a given multiplier.)

A Flame Digimon whose entire body is shrouded in crimson flames. It possesses a violent temperament like the flames that envelop its body, and tries to incinerate everything it touches. Even if it's tamed, there's no telling when it will bare its fangs. Its Special Move Skill is a "Burning Fist" that attacks opponent by blasting.
	~ Profile Source​

A Flame Digimon whose entire body is shrouded in crimson flames. As a Digimon generated from the defensive "Firewall" which prevents illegal entries from the Internet and the like, it possesses a violent temperament like the flames that envelop its body, and tries to incinerate everything it touches. Meramon has also been confirmed on file island, but Meramon in the Continent folder is even more powerful in fire, it is very difficult to get rid of his hands.
	~ Pendulum​

A Dinosaur Digimon whose cranial skin has hardened so that it is covered in a rhinoceros beetle-like shell. It is an extremely aggressive monster, with a rough disposition and a body like a lethal weapon covered in sharp claws and gigantic horns. However, it is highly intelligent, and if you're able to tame it then there probably isn't any monster as tough. Its Special Move is the flame shot "Mega Flame" its spews from its mouth to reduce everything to ashes.
	~ Digital Monster​

A Dinosaur Digimon whose cranial skin has hardened so that it is covered in a rhinoceros beetle-like shell. It is an extremely aggressive Digimon, with a body like a lethal weapon covered in sharp claws and gigantic horns. However, it is highly intelligent, and if you're able to tame it then there probably isn't any monster as strong. The Greymon that inhabit the Folder Continent don't have frenzied personalities, and because of their great intellect they are able to use fighting styles that rely on cooperation with their comrades. Its Special Move "Mega Flame" is spewing extremely high-temperature flames from its mouth and reducing everything to ashes.

The strongest Cyborg Digimon, which has mechanized more than half of its body. Going through numerous battles, it was able to survive by mechanizing its body. In order to evolve to Metal Greymon, it must fight its way through and defeat the formidable opponents who come against it. It is said that there is yet to be an offensive ability with the destructive power to rival its "Giga Destroyer", missiles that come out of the hatch on part of its chest.
	~ Digital Monster​

A Cyborg Digimon which mechanized more than half of its body. The Metal Greymon of Folder Island possess power which cannot be compared with those of File Island.
	~ Pendulum​

A Cyborg Digimon which has mechanized more than half of its body. The Metal Greymon of File Island were able to drastically extend their vital functions through remodeling, but their flesh portions could not hold out and were discolored blue. However, the Metal Greymon of Folder Continent are Cyborg Digimon that succeed in perfectly evolving from Greymon, and draw out a stronger power. In order to evolve to Metal Greymon, it must fight its way through and defeat the formidable opponents who come against it. Also, Metal Greymon's offensive power is said to equal that of a single nuclear warhead, and if the likes of a low-level Digimon suffered that blow, it would be annihilated without leaving a trace. Its Special Move is firing its "Giga Destroyer" organic missiles from the hatch on part of its chest.

We can see this in the Digimon V-Tamer 01 in the first chapter where Gabu says that the Digimon's power in the "Folder Continent" is so great that the inhabitants of "File Island" can not even be compared to the Folder.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I planned on responding, but then I realized. I'm derailing the OP. If I decide to continue this, I'll come to your wall.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

You can continue here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Nah. I insist. A good friend wouldn't derail his friend's thread like that.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Digital Monster (Meramon) =

A Flame Digimon whose entire body is shrouded in crimson flames. It possesses a violent temperament like the flames that envelop its body, and tries to incinerate everything it touches. Even if it's tamed, there's no telling when it will bare its fangs. Its Special Move Skill is a "Burning Fist" that attacks opponent by blasting.
	~ Profile Source​

|-| Pendulum (Meramon) =

A Flame Digimon whose entire body is shrouded in crimson flames. As a Digimon generated from the defensive "Firewall" which prevents illegal entries from the Internet and the like, it possesses a violent temperament like the flames that envelop its body, and tries to incinerate everything it touches. Meramon has also been confirmed on file island, but Meramon in the Continent folder is even more powerful in fire, it is very difficult to get rid of his hands.
	~ Pendulum​

Digital Monster (Greymon) =

A Dinosaur Digimon whose cranial skin has hardened so that it is covered in a rhinoceros beetle-like shell. It is an extremely aggressive monster, with a rough disposition and a body like a lethal weapon covered in sharp claws and gigantic horns. However, it is highly intelligent, and if you're able to tame it then there probably isn't any monster as tough. Its Special Move is the flame shot "Mega Flame" its spews from its mouth to reduce everything to ashes.
	~ Digital Monster​

|-| Digimon Accel =

A Dinosaur Digimon whose cranial skin has hardened so that it is covered in a rhinoceros beetle-like shell. It is an extremely aggressive Digimon, with a body like a lethal weapon covered in sharp claws and gigantic horns. However, it is highly intelligent, and if you're able to tame it then there probably isn't any monster as strong. The Greymon that inhabit the Folder Continent don't have frenzied personalities, and because of their great intellect they are able to use fighting styles that rely on cooperation with their comrades. Its Special Move "Mega Flame" is spewing extremely high-temperature flames from its mouth and reducing everything to ashes.

Digital Monster (Metal Greymon Virus) =

The strongest Cyborg Digimon, which has mechanized more than half of its body. Going through numerous battles, it was able to survive by mechanizing its body. In order to evolve to Metal Greymon, it must fight its way through and defeat the formidable opponents who come against it. It is said that there is yet to be an offensive ability with the destructive power to rival its "Giga Destroyer", missiles that come out of the hatch on part of its chest.
	~ Digital Monster​

|-| Pendulum (Metal Greymon) =

A Cyborg Digimon which mechanized more than half of its body. The Metal Greymon of Folder Island possess power which cannot be compared with those of File Island.
	~ Pendulum​

|-| Accel =

A Cyborg Digimon which has mechanized more than half of its body. The Metal Greymon of File Island were able to drastically extend their vital functions through remodeling, but their flesh portions could not hold out and were discolored blue. However, the Metal Greymon of Folder Continent are Cyborg Digimon that succeed in perfectly evolving from Greymon, and draw out a stronger power. In order to evolve to Metal Greymon, it must fight its way through and defeat the formidable opponents who come against it. Also, Metal Greymon's offensive power is said to equal that of a single nuclear warhead, and if the likes of a low-level Digimon suffered that blow, it would be annihilated without leaving a trace. Its Special Move is firing its "Giga Destroyer" organic missiles from the hatch on part of its chest.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Nah. I insist. A good friend wouldn't derail his friend's thread like that.

Bruh....I just posted all this. Plus it is now a topic.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Aight...I'll continue. Give me some time...

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Bump

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

Sorry to derail, but it should be noted that Na Bong Chim Acupuncture is a flat multiplier like Kaio-Ken. They explicitly state that his power is being boosted 275,000x, which is a pretty clear multiplier to me.

@Dragon

Most of these changes look fine to me. I'm a little iffy about separating the Three Great Angels from "regular" Seraphimon, but I suppose it's possible given the number of Seraphimon in the series.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well I listed what Lucemon would be getting at the very least above so, we can decide to add more if need be. I don't mind either way. Some are Duplicate s as they are straight from the files since I was rushing at the time.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

One last bump for the night.

 

[PaChi2]

@Dragon Next time try something like:

Lucemon revisions IV.

we know everything else is just to cover it. ovo

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Funny thing is, in this particular situation....it was...ovo