Minor Grimm and Other Stuff

[SilentLyfe]

Lets hopes this one goes more smoothly.

Anyway, some stuff I want to talk about. So we know Salem is able to control the Grimm. We've seen it throughout the show. But this also extends to Grimm attached to living beings. She can control Cinder's Shadow Hand, moving it without her consent and inflicting pain. And there's The Hound, who's a fusion of Grimm with a Silver Eyed Faunus forced to do her bidding. These two examples show that if someone has Grimm on them in someway, Salem can control them through it, which should give her Body Puppetry.

Speaking of The Hound, he needs Additional Limbs for growing a third arm to knock Penny out.

Finally, one last point I want to bring up. Recently Ruby was given Heat Manipulation from this panel, where she heated up the water using her Semblance. The scan came from the RWBY Justice League crossover, which at the time was thought to be canon based on this video from the writers. However, it was later found out that they were talking about another DC Comics that takes place between Volumes 3 and 4. I tried looking for any other quotes or statements from the writers about the canon of RWBY JL, but couldn't find it. If anyone has it that'd be great. Otherwise, Heat Manipulation needs to be removed from her profile.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Lets hopes this one goes more smoothly.

Anyway, some stuff I want to talk about. So we know Salem is able to control the Grimm. We've seen it throughout the show. But this also extends to Grimm attached to living beings. She can control Cinder's Shadow Hand, moving it without her consent and inflicting pain. And there's The Hound, who's a fusion of Grimm with a Silver Eyed Faunus forced to do her bidding. These two examples show that if someone has Grimm on them in someway, that Salem can control them through it, which should give her Body Puppetry.

Speaking of The Hound, he needs Additional Limbs for growing a third arm to knock Penny out.

Finally, one last point I want to bring up. Recently Ruby was given Heat Manipulation from this panel, where she heated up the water using her Semblance. The scan came from the RWBY Justice League crossover, which at the time was thought to be canon based on this video from the writers. However, it was later found out that they were talking about another DC Comics that takes place between Volumes 3 and 4. I tried looking for any other quotes or statements from the writers about the canon of RWBY JL, but couldn't find it. If anyone has it that'd be great. Otherwise, Heat Manipulation needs to be removed from her profile.

Agree

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Everything looks fine. If nothing is found regarding the canon then yeah, heat manipulation is gone.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good

 

[Jinx666]

All fine~
Are there anymore exclusive RWBY x JL powers/abilities given to any character profiles we know of?

 

[SilentLyfe]

All fine~
Are there anymore exclusive RWBY x JL powers/abilities given to any character profiles we know of?

Think that’s the only one.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Disagree with the removal of the JL power, everything else is fine

The JL comic is explicitly canon

 

[Jinx666]

Fairs, though from looking over a few profiles

- Don't we consider the Manga non-canon unless im mistaken? Remember that being brought up, so maybe Analytical Prediction should be removed from Yang's page. This goes against her whole thing about being too reckless and reliant on her Semblance (but imo it's just made her fighting boring). Shes definitely a skilled fighter ofc but feels weird to give this to just her and no one else when shes about as good as everyone else. Malachite twins are fodder anyway

-Extrasensory Perception for finding Penny's swords on Ruby might be more linked to the Ever After than a distinct power of hers, but they already got enhanced sense stuff from aura apparently

 

[Jinx666]

Disagree with the removal of the JL power, everything else is fine

The JL comic is explicitly canon

Where is this confirmed?

 

[SilentLyfe]

- Don't we consider the Manga non-canon unless im mistaken? Remember that being brought up, so maybe Analytical Prediction should be removed from Yang's page. This goes against her whole thing about being too reckless and reliant on her Semblance (but imo it's just made her fighting boring). Shes definitely a skilled fighter ofc but feels weird to give this to just her and no one else.

Stated by the writers to be "very much in tune with the show" and that it was stories they wanted to cover in the show but didn't really have much time to do. So that should be good for it being canon.

And its true that she's likely not the only one who should get it, but I guess its easier to convey reading opponents movements in manga form or something.

 

[Jinx666]

Stated by the writers to be "very much in tune with the show" and that it was stories they wanted to cover in the show but didn't really have much time to do. So that should be good for it being canon.

And its true that she's likely not the only one who should get it, but I guess its easier to convey reading opponents movements in manga form or something.

Theres a difference between stories they wanted to cover, than just Yang's thinking process in a fight against fodder, since as RWBY-skilled Yang is, shes not considered a technical fighter like this, and she would usually WANT to get hit for her semblance. She hasn't really shown this sort of prediction game against anyone else in main source show canon, who are far more competent opponents. It doesn't matter much cause no ones banking a versus thread on this, but yh, feels out of place

 

[SilentLyfe]

Theres a difference between stories they wanted to cover, than just Yang's thinking process in a fight against fodder, since as RWBY-skilled Yang is, shes not considered a technical fighter like this, and she would usually WANT to get hit for her semblance. She hasn't really shown this sort of prediction game against anyone else in main source show canon, who are far more competent opponents. It doesn't matter much cause no ones banking a versus thread on this, but yh, feels out of place

Honestly it would have made more sense if it was a scene from Vol 5 or something since she learned not to rely on her Semblance that much anymore but eh.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Everything looks fine. If nothing is found regarding the canon then yeah, heat manipulation is gone.

It was, yes, and posted numerous times. The comic is canon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where is this confirmed?

The clip in the OP, it is confirming that the RWBY writers work alongside Margueritte (who writes all of the RWBY DC comics)

Hell, if you're so concerned about confirming it, just ask one of the writers if its canon on twitter

 

[Jinx666]

The clip in the OP, it is confirming that the RWBY writers work alongside Margueritte (who writes all of the RWBY DC comics)

Hell, if you're so concerned about confirming it, just ask one of the writers if its canon on twitter

Having the same writer (even though Magueritte is not the main writer of RWBY canon) doesnt make it the same continuity as all the RWBY DC Comics, nor have the same rules apply when only 1 has been confirmed canon. All 3 comics have had very different premises with no mention of one another.

Writers are also allowed to write non-canon material too. Having Miles and Kerry 'look over it' is factual for ANY media related to the RWBY franchise, regardless of its canon. Miles only ever said he wanted it to be canon too (The first RWBY comic), so at this point he's just taking what he can get for extra narrative angles.

I'm concerned with this verse keeping facts accurate, not idealised. You had originally thought the video clip of Miles saying the comic is canon was about RWBY x JL, even though it came out 2 years prior and was only about the RWBY comic with no crossover aspects (even though the comic is hella contradictory to the canon as well), but this was wrong, and now i'm unsure on why you're so intent on claiming this crossover is canon (especially now that theres going to be a whole variant on the comic in the form of a parted movie. Even IF their origins are different, the designs and concepts are gonna be exactly the same, yet no one will question why RWBY dont recall the characters from JL x RWBY?)

I'm very confident in the fact it is non-canon, and as a wiki we always take crossovers as non-canon material (Since two writers, dissonancing from the main story for fanservice), unless it is especially confirmed to be canon in one or both ways. It sounds like its you that needs to ask these writers of this fact if you really need to give RWBY this extra bit of inconsistent, fanfiction-like media.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Having the same writer (even though Magueritte is not the main writer of RWBY canon) doesnt make it the same continuity as all the RWBY DC Comics, nor have the same rules apply when only 1 has been confirmed canon. All 3 comics have had very different premises with no mention of one another.

Writers are also allowed to write non-canon material too. Having Miles and Kerry 'look over it' is factual for ANY media related to the RWBY franchise, regardless of its canon. Miles only ever said he wanted it to be canon too (The first RWBY comic), so at this point he's just taking what he can get for extra narrative angles.

I'm concerned with this verse keeping facts accurate, not idealised. You had originally thought the video clip of Miles saying the comic is canon was about RWBY x JL, even though it came out 2 years prior and was only about the RWBY comic with no crossover aspects (even though the comic is hella contradictory to the canon as well), but this was wrong, and now i'm unsure on why you're so intent on claiming this crossover is canon (especially now that theres going to be a whole variant on the comic in the form of a parted movie. Even IF their origins are different, the designs and concepts are gonna be exactly the same, yet no one will question why RWBY dont recall the characters from JL x RWBY?)

I'm very confident in the fact it is non-canon, and as a wiki we always take crossovers as non-canon material (Since two writers, dissonancing from the main story for fanservice), unless it is especially confirmed to be canon in one or both ways. It sounds like its you that needs to ask these writers of this fact if you really need to give RWBY this extra bit of inconsistent, fanfiction-like media.

Irrelevant, none of the extended media is ever referenced by the show, that does not make it non-canon. Hell the only time anything from the outside medias is today's episode that had a few seconds long clip of a single scene from Roman Holiday. That does not invalidate the fact that the writers declared the vast majority of the extended media canon.

Yes, and they have been very explicit in declaring what is and is not canon. It's not just that they wrote it, they declared that it is canon.

Jinx, the only one idealizing anything here is you and your preconceived notions that your word holds any bearing on what the writers of this verse have be canon. And I also love how you're trying to use a movie that hasnt even come out yet as a means of discrediting this comic, despite them having two completely unrelated and disconnected stes of characters and happening at two completely different parts of the timeline.

The comic isnt a crossover so your confidence is drastically misplaced. You're the one who thinks its non-canon despite it already being confirmed to be canon, you are the one who needs to be proven wrong.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Rwby is effectively in the same boat as Star Wars in regards to stuff like this, they have a lot of extended media that is all considered canon to the main series despite the main series barely if ever making reference to it. That doesnt make the extended media non-canon. Same with RWBY.

 

[Jinx666]

Bro RWBY is not Star Wars You'd wish,. Im not a Star Wars fanatic, but im very aware the scale of the Star Wars verse spans galaxies and has actual different settings. We havent got a set of 4 protags in Star Wars, that are apparently meeting the Justice League canonically, its a world expanded over multiple different eras and locations on a galactic scale. Ofc they're not all gonna mesh together directly, thats no excuse for RWBY

Roman Holiday, Before/After the Fall are canon yes, but difference is those are officially licensed novels that also aren't crossovers and dont focus on the main characters, meant to appease for the main show's extreme lack of character management.

Show where it has been 'confirmed canon' or 'declared canon' that RWBY x JL is canon and then maybe you can make your point, but as of now you've yet to ever show proof of this confirmation, and keep dodging when im asking (like you're gonna do now). The statement Miles made was only in regards to the first RWBY DC Comic, and was way before RWBY x JL was conceived, when you weren't aware of this fact originally.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bro RWBY is not Star Wars You'd wish,. Im not a Star Wars fanatic, but im very aware the scale of the Star Wars verse spans galaxies and has actual different settings. We havent got a set of 4 protags in Star Wars, that are apparently meeting the Justice League canonically, its a world expanded over multiple different eras and locations on a galactic scale. Ofc they're not all gonna mesh together directly, thats no excuse for RWBY

Dont see how its not the same, hell Star Wars is technically even looser as its not all written or co-written by the same people, nor are the various pieces of extended media for the Star Wars canon explicitly stated as being canon, yet they are accepted as such. RWBY not only has the writers directly playing roles in the production of everything that gets released, but they directly state what is and is not canon.

Roman Holiday, Before/After the Fall are canon yes, but difference is those are officially licensed novels that also aren't crossovers and dont focus on the main characters, meant to appease for the main show's extreme lack of character management.

The comic in question is not a crossover either, despite how badly you want it to be considered as such. A crossover implies that it is using characters from another franchise, the comic in question does not, they are RWBY OCs based loosely on DC characters. It is closer to fanfic than it is to an actual crossover, but canon nonetheless in spite of its goofiness. On top of that, they directly interweave major points about the verse's lore into this story, such as Victor being the way that Remnant found out that Dust doesnt work outside the atmosphere by him being in a spaceship that exploded as it left the planet.

Show where it has been 'confirmed canon' or 'declared canon' that RWBY x JL is canon and then maybe you can make your point, but as of now you've yet to ever show proof of this confirmation, and keep dodging when im asking (like you're gonna do now). The statement Miles made was only in regards to the first RWBY DC Comic, and was way before RWBY x JL was conceived, when you weren't aware of this fact originally.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Bro RWBY is not Star Wars

Pretty sure this is a strawman, He never said "They were the same verse." Only that they have a lot of similarities with its extended media. That, and you do realize that almost anything these days gets compared to Star Wars such as having a lot of cliches as it; (A rebel group fighting against a powerful empire, an order of super human soldiers/fighters/hunters with special powers and wield weapons they consider sacred, the cast of characters having their distinctive roles, a world that seems to put fantasty and sci fi together, ect.)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Everything looks fine for the most part.

Neutral on the crossover being canon.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It really feels like the wiki needs a thread solidifying what a crossover actually is

Because as it stands, the comic in question does not fit the description of a crossover

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Dont see how its not the same, hell Star Wars is technically even looser as its not all written or co-written by the same people, nor are the various pieces of extended media for the Star Wars canon explicitly stated as being canon, yet they are accepted as such.

Everything SW canon is oversaw by Leland Chee, who pretty much is "the keeper of the holocron", making sure every single event on both legends and disney canon fit the relevant timelines and don't have contradictions.

If Leland puts events on a timeline, is as solid as it gets for it being canon.

Edit: As for the thread at large, just noting in a few hours the 48 hrs time period will be done and the thread at large has been accepted.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Everything SW canon is oversaw by Leland Chee, who pretty much is "the keeper of the holocron", making sure every single event on both legends and disney canon fit the relevant timelines and don't have contradictions.

If Leland puts events on a timeline, is as solid as it gets for it being canon.

Ye, RWBY canon is the same way with Miles and Kerry (the head writers for RWBY) overseeing everything and even co-writing some stuff

 

[Jinx666]

Pretty sure this is a strawman, He never said "They were the same verse." Only that they have a lot of similarities with its extended media. That, and you do realize that almost anything these days gets compared to Star Wars such as having a lot of cliches as it; (A rebel group fighting against a powerful empire, an order of super human soldiers/fighters/hunters with special powers and wield weapons they consider sacred, the cast of characters having their distinctive roles, a world that seems to put fantasty and sci fi together, ect.)

This literally is not relevant nor did i say it was the same in general (a strawman in itself). But it just generally cant be compared when Star Wars has tons of stories and continuities that are unrelated to eachother, over RWBY with the media in question always being related to, and overlapping blatantly with the main characters

Also yes, Weekly is saying its the same. Right here
"Dont see how its not the same, hell Star Wars is technically even looser as its not all written or co-written by the same people, nor are the various pieces of extended media for the Star Wars canon explicitly stated as being canon, yet they are accepted as such. RWBY not only has the writers directly playing roles in the production of everything that gets released, but they directly state what is and is not canon."

 

[Jinx666]

Dont see how its not the same, hell Star Wars is technically even looser as its not all written or co-written by the same people, nor are the various pieces of extended media for the Star Wars canon explicitly stated as being canon, yet they are accepted as such. RWBY not only has the writers directly playing roles in the production of everything that gets released, but they directly state what is and is not canon.

RWBY aint Star Wars, please. Comparing as such doesnt bolster your point.

The comic in question is not a crossover either, despite how badly you want it to be considered as such. A crossover implies that it is using characters from another franchise, the comic in question does not, they are RWBY OCs based loosely on DC characters. It is closer to fanfic than it is to an actual crossover, but canon nonetheless in spite of its goofiness. On top of that, they directly interweave major points about the verse's lore into this story, such as Victor being the way that Remnant found out that Dust doesnt work outside the atmosphere by him being in a spaceship that exploded as it left the planet.

Its a crossover. Even if they're not the same ones from DC, its still RWBY collaborating with another existing franchise/IP. They're the same characters, just reimagined for RWBY and to fit into remnant, they're not unique or original or anything. Its not like crossover is bound to just 1 variation. Again, please prove it is canon.

EDIT: In the post below, this comic is a blatant example of 'Onesided Crossover' (Where the characters in question are only heavily based on the character, and arent of the same continuity as usual). This is still a crossover, with no direct confirmation that it is canon.

???

Weekly i dont know how simple I can put it. Please show where its confirmed, like you claim, that RWBY x JL is canon.

'Overseeing everything' is just a general thing Roosterteeth has to do with EVERYTHING RWBY related. They need to sell the rights, and oversee that it is being kept faithful to the contract, canon or non-canon. As much as Miles is seemingly desperate to make stuff that doesnt need to be canon, there is no confirmation whatsoever

 

[Jinx666]

It really feels like the wiki needs a thread solidifying what a crossover actually is

Because as it stands, the comic in question does not fit the description of a crossover

Crossovers

A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story. Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or...

vsbattles.fandom.com

"Onesided crossovers officially take place within one continuity, but not the other. Given that some characters may be parodies of their original counterparts, they could potentially get a separate profile scaling from the other verse based on their importance to the story.

One example is the version of Dante in Shin Megami Tensei, who is based on his Devil May Cry counterpart, with the same name and appearance, but a slightly altered story to fit in more with the Shin Megami Tensei verse. However, the character in question may not be used to scale to the Devil May Cry cast.

Profiles for crossovers not canon to the main story of one or more of the franchises involved may only be created according to the regulations defined in the Canon page."

Literally, already done. It would be counted as a Onesided Crossover, but a crossover nonetheless. It would still need confirmation on its canon, as crossovers do in general. Please provide.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If Leland puts events on a timeline, is as solid as it gets for it being canon.

Edit: As for the thread at large, just noting in a few hours the 48 hrs time period will be done and the thread at large has been accepted.

Ye, the RWBY writers gave the comic in question a definitive spot in the timeline

And not really? The additions yes but half the staff that commented here are either neutral towards or against removing the comic stuff

 

[Jinx666]

Ye, the RWBY writers gave the comic in question a definitive spot in the timeline

And not really? The additions yes but half the staff that commented here are either neutral towards or against removing the comic stuff

Which you've yet to prove (About the RWBY x JL crossover, not the manga. We know it was within V4 despite majorly changing a good few moments/characters)

 

[SilentLyfe]

Alright. I've added the two additions as everyone here is in agreement and grace has ended. As for Heat, I left it for now as there's apparently still discussion, but I'll call other staff and see their opinion.

 

[Deagonx]

they declared that it is canon.

I'm still not clear on this. Where did they do that? What did they say which, in your opinion, is best interpreted as a declaration of it's canonicity?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This literally is not relevant nor did i say it was the same in general (a strawman in itself). But it just generally cant be compared when Star Wars has tons of stories and continuities that are unrelated to eachother, over RWBY with the media in question always being related to, and overlapping blatantly with the main characters

What are you talking about? There inst a single piece of Star Wars extended media that doesnt overlap with a significant character from the main films in some way.

Also yes, Weekly is saying its the same. Right here
"Dont see how its not the same, hell Star Wars is technically even looser as its not all written or co-written by the same people, nor are the various pieces of extended media for the Star Wars canon explicitly stated as being canon, yet they are accepted as such. RWBY not only has the writers directly playing roles in the production of everything that gets released, but they directly state what is and is not canon."

Not the same in terms of verse structure in regards to how extended media is treated. So yes, you are strawmanning.

RWBY aint Star Wars, please. Comparing as such doesnt bolster your point.

Doesnt have to be, they have comparable reach with their extended and identcal rules regarding their canonization to the main series and thus should be treated the same.

Weekly i dont know how simple I can put it. Please show where its confirmed, like you claim, that RWBY x JL is canon.

'Overseeing everything' is just a general thing Roosterteeth has to do with EVERYTHING RWBY related. They need to sell the rights, and oversee that it is being kept faithful to the contract, canon or non-canon. As much as Miles is seemingly desperate to make stuff that doesnt need to be canon, there is no confirmation whatsoever

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Crossovers

A crossover is the placement of two or more characters originating from different continuities/franchises/verses into a single story. Non-canon crossovers do not officially take place within any of the involved continuities. Examples may include Marvel Vs Capcom, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe, or...

vsbattles.fandom.com

"Onesided crossovers officially take place within one continuity, but not the other. Given that some characters may be parodies of their original counterparts, they could potentially get a separate profile scaling from the other verse based on their importance to the story.

One example is the version of Dante in Shin Megami Tensei, who is based on his Devil May Cry counterpart, with the same name and appearance, but a slightly altered story to fit in more with the Shin Megami Tensei verse. However, the character in question may not be used to scale to the Devil May Cry cast.

Profiles for crossovers not canon to the main story of one or more of the franchises involved may only be created according to the regulations defined in the Canon page."

Literally, already done. It would be counted as a Onesided Crossover, but a crossover nonetheless. It would still need confirmation on its canon, as crossovers do in general. Please provide.

Im not sure you understand what this means Jinx. This means that the character who is being 'parodied' doesnt scale to their original counterpart, they just scale to the stuff in the verse theyre in. That is what the RWBY version of the Justice League already goes by, no one was trying to scale them to the actual Justice League. The problem with your argument is that it is still canon to the main series, in your example Dante is a crossover character who is still canon to SMT while having zero connections to the original Dante, but the game where Dante shows up is still canon to SMT, the RWBY versions of the JL and the comic they show up in are exactly the same.

Youve unintentionally proven my point lol

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Which you've yet to prove (About the RWBY x JL crossover, not the manga. We know it was within V4 despite majorly changing a good few moments/characters)

The RWBY x JL comic took place between V2 and V3, its impossible for it to have taken place within V4, Pyrrha is still alive and Yang still has both arms

 

[Jinx666]

What are you talking about? There inst a single piece of Star Wars extended media that doesnt overlap with a significant character from the main films in some way.

Idk Star Wars again, but yeah, there definitely is and they take place in different times so there can be less overlap. Its lore on a galactic scale meanwhile RWBY has like...a planet and a few different realms.

Not the same in terms of verse structure in regards to how extended media is treated. So yes, you are strawmanning.

Not the same. Period. No one should even want Star Wars level lore on a verse like RWBY realistically

Doesnt have to be, they have comparable reach with their extended and identcal rules regarding their canonization to the main series and thus should be treated the same.

RWBY hasnt got a fraction of Star Wars' legacy, and in no way have their rules for canon been established other than what you want it to be. Star Wars spans multiple timelines, RWBY is still like...within a decade from what we have? Minus the Salem Gods stuff ofc. There really is not enough to dictate its comparable to such a huge franchise and how its canon works.

Weekly this is about the original RWBY comic published by DC, NOT RWBY x JL. Either prove their continuity (from like, an actual scenario in the show), otherwise its not talking about that and you've tried to deceive with this multiple times.

Im not sure you understand what this means Jinx. This means that the character who is being 'parodied' doesnt scale to their original counterpart, they just scale to the stuff in the verse theyre in. That is what the RWBY version of the Justice League already goes by, no one was trying to scale them to the actual Justice League. The problem with your argument is that it is still canon to the main series, in your example Dante is a crossover character who is still canon to SMT while having zero connections to the original Dante, but the game where Dante shows up is still canon to SMT, the RWBY versions of the JL and the comic they show up in are exactly the same.

Youve unintentionally proven my point lol

? Dante SMT doesnt account for every single instance of this. My point is that this is a crossover, but Dante SMT is actually within the main source material, while JL counterparts of RWBY are from a third-rate piece of media not confirmed canon, theres a current movie (you claim is canon) thats going to make exact duplicates of these characters essentially but with the JL members trapped (literally no sense that RWBY have met the JL in 3 iterations and never remembered eachother in any), and none of it has any stronger links to anything else in RWBY (Don't they bring up crazy shit like Krypton existing in RWBYverse??? or Clark being an alien essentially lmao)

The RWBY x JL comic took place between V2 and V3, its impossible for it to have taken place within V4, Pyrrha is still alive and Yang still has both arms

Since when did you care about continuity over any sort of inaccruare statement? (IQ still clearly takes place between V1 and V2)

And again, knowing whereabouts the RWBY characters are in TL for this story does not mean its canon.

 

[Jinx666]

Weekly, for the last time, the clip you're showing does NOT talk about the RWBY x JL crossover. It was stated 2 years prior to the comic's existence. It is talking only about the original RWBY comic published by DC (no crossover elements), which even then just creates too much inconsistency for it to have ANY business being canon. No matter what the redditor is saying, they are also just assuming the clip applies to RWBY x JL, but its not proven true.

We have well established this and you have yet to prove or explain how RWBY x JL is canon due to this statement not about it. Having 'the same writer as the original comic' or 'Miles overlooking it', when neither of this means its canon and applies to both canonical and non-canonical media are not valid results

Try finding continuity between the 2 comics specifically (RWBY x JL recalling something ONLY in the RWBY DC comic). If not then genuinely can we show a little restraint and not overbloat RWBYs canon understanding on this wiki? Still cant believe ppl are actually willing to take RWBY so far needlessly that we're trying to scale with crossovers...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Idk Star Wars again, but yeah, there definitely is and they take place in different times so there can be less overlap. Its lore on a galactic scale meanwhile RWBY has like...a planet and a few different realms.

Love that youre just extrapolating everything im saying when it holds no bearing on what is actually being said. Scale means nothing here, they are two verses with widespread extended media with identical circumstances in regards to their writing and publication, they should be treated the same.

Not the same. Period. No one should even want Star Wars level lore on a verse like RWBY realistically

RWBY hasnt got a fraction of Star Wars' legacy, and in no way have their rules for canon been established other than what you want it to be. Star Wars spans multiple timelines, RWBY is still like...within a decade from what we have? Minus the Salem Gods stuff ofc. There really is not enough to dictate its comparable to such a huge franchise and how its canon works.

They are the same, yes. What someone wants is wholly irrelevant, and really shows how this argument is solely about you specifically not wanting things in RWBY to be considered canon when they are. RWBY has an established lore and rules regarding its canon, you simply dislike them, plain and simple. Which is fine, youre free to not like stuff, but arguing that canon stuff is non-canon and shouldnt be seen as canon just because you dislike it is not how we do things here.

? Dante SMT doesnt account for every single instance of this. My point is that this is a crossover, but Dante SMT is actually within the main source material, while JL counterparts of RWBY are from a third-rate piece of media not confirmed canon,

Once again confirming that you dislike it being considered canon solely due to quality

theres a current movie (you claim is canon) thats going to make exact duplicates of these characters essentially but with the JL members trapped (literally no sense that RWBY have met the JL in 3 iterations and never remembered eachother in any), and none of it has any stronger links to anything else in RWBY (Don't they bring up crazy shit like Krypton existing in RWBYverse??? or Clark being an alien essentially lmao)

Jinx, im starting to get seriously concerned for you if you genuinely cannot remember me explaining this to you four times on the RWBY discussion thread. I'll repost the summary here since its a different thread and will make it as simple as possible for you but please do try to make an effort to comprehend what im saying:

RWBY x JL Comic: Takes place between volumes 2 and 3, features characters who are native to remnant who only look vaguely like DC characters.

JL x RWBY Movie: Takes place between volumes 8 and 9, features the actual justice league from the DC universe pulled into RWBY.

They're two completely different stories with completely different characters that happen at completely different points in the timeline. Team RWBY wouldnt remember meeting the actual Justice League because they never met them to begin with, just like how Krypton doesnt exist in the RWBYverse because Clark isnt an alien, he's a human.

Hell, watching the trailer again, nothing even implies that Team RWBY and co. dont recognize the Justice League at all, just that the Justice League doesnt know them, because, again, theyve never met, as the characters from the comic are not the actual Justice League, just people from Remnant.

Weekly, for the last time, the clip you're showing does NOT talk about the RWBY x JL crossover. It was stated 2 years prior to the comic's existence. It is talking only about the original RWBY comic published by DC (no crossover elements), which even then just creates too much inconsistency for it to have ANY business being canon. No matter what the redditor is saying, they are also just assuming the clip applies to RWBY x JL, but its not proven true.

We have well established this and you have yet to prove or explain how RWBY x JL is canon due to this statement not about it. Having 'the same writer as the original comic' or 'Miles overlooking it', when neither of this means its canon and applies to both canonical and non-canonical media are not valid results

Try finding continuity between the 2 comics specifically (RWBY x JL recalling something ONLY in the RWBY DC comic). If not then genuinely can we show a little restraint and not overbloat RWBYs canon understanding on this wiki? Still cant believe ppl are actually willing to take RWBY so far needlessly that we're trying to scale with crossovers...

Again, you keep manufacturing this idea that it is inconsistent with the plot because you seemingly cannot process the idea that the comic and the movie are two completely different and unrelated storylines. It was stated to be canon by the writers, who also co-wrote it and gave it a definitive spot in the timeline.

 

[Jinx666]

Love that youre just extrapolating everything im saying when it holds no bearing on what is actually being said. Scale means nothing here, they are two verses with widespread extended media with identical circumstances in regards to their writing and publication, they should be treated the same.

Kinda does. The more content a franchise has, the more need to differentiate its canon as theres generally a higher trend of inconsistencies. Its why things like Marvel and DC have their own profile making rules, cause you'll see street levelers hurting Thanos.

They are the same, yes. What someone wants is wholly irrelevant, and really shows how this argument is solely about you specifically not wanting things in RWBY to be considered canon when they are. RWBY has an established lore and rules regarding its canon, you simply dislike them, plain and simple. Which is fine, youre free to not like stuff, but arguing that canon stuff is non-canon and shouldnt be seen as canon just because you dislike it is not how we do things here.

Delusional. RWBY x JL is never confirmed canon, so therefore we dont treat it canon. As a crossover in general this is what the wiki generally does unless theres clear confirmation otherwise. Thats it.

Once again confirming that you dislike it being considered canon solely due to quality

See above Weekly. This is an awful dodge when nothing i'm stating here refers to my 'liking', and more so the fact Dante's counterpart in SMT was actually in the main source canon, rather than JL versions of characters in RWBY being made under a different writer outside of the main show, and no confirmation on canon.

Jinx, im starting to get seriously concerned for you if you genuinely cannot remember me explaining this to you four times on the RWBY discussion thread. I'll repost the summary here since its a different thread and will make it as simple as possible for you but please do try to make an effort to comprehend what im saying:

RWBY x JL Comic: Takes place between volumes 2 and 3, features characters who are native to remnant who only look vaguely like DC characters.

JL x RWBY Movie: Takes place between volumes 8 and 9, features the actual justice league from the DC universe pulled into RWBY.

Im more concerned by the fact you arent providing evidence of any of this?

Just because the JL x RWBY movie takes place in V8 and 9 is no reason why the characters would forget the literal identically named and semblanced characters they had previously met from the comic.

They're two completely different stories with completely different characters that happen at completely different points in the timeline. Team RWBY wouldnt remember meeting the actual Justice League because they never met them to begin with, just like how Krypton doesnt exist in the RWBYverse because Clark isnt an alien, he's a human.

Bro really tryna say these characters are different when the premise is that the JL literally transported into Remnant, adopted faunus/semblance traits to act as their superpowers that are completely identical to how they are in the comics. And yet no one brings that up and theyre all introduced differently.

Hell, watching the trailer again, nothing even implies that Team RWBY and co. dont recognize the Justice League at all, just that the Justice League doesnt know them, because, again, theyve never met, as the characters from the comic are not the actual Justice League, just people from Remnant.

I mean they do? them introducing Ren, Jaune and Nora, Blake questioning WW is a princess?
They literally look identical to these people. Weiss out here not recollecting the two Bruce Wayne bat faunus characters they met.

If you wanna use the same 'maguerette is the writer for all of them so they're all canon' argument, then RWBY are now actually meeting the real JL characters, who would be the same as this movie.

Again, you keep manufacturing this idea that it is inconsistent with the plot because you seemingly cannot process the idea that the comic and the movie are two completely different and unrelated storylines. It was stated to be canon by the writers, who also co-wrote it and gave it a definitive spot in the timeline.

They didnt. You've yet to actually prove they stated the JL x RWBY crossover is canon, and are purposefully lying by using a statement unrelated to that comic. Even if it wasnt inconsistent with the plot (They're shipping ******* Yang with Superman), that doesnt mean its canon if the main-source hasn't implied or mentioned the events.

Miles didn't co-write it, he approved it, his name isnt in the list of the writers. And again, RT have to approve ALL official RWBY series', canon or non-canon.

Giving an idea of where the characters are in the timeline =/= the sequence being canon.

 

[Jinx666]

At this point Weekly, everyone has asked you for this canon statement, and you've responded multiple times with a statement not about RWBY x JL, but instead the RWBY published comic.

Either prove its confirmed canon, or you genuinely havent got a horse in the race. I havent got time to constantly run in circles with your RWBY headcanons.

Literally just prove it. Show where its confirmed canon, or a clear continuity. Thats all you have to do.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Will respond to this when I get home but just want to point out that it is genuinely laughable that you have spent the last three threads adamantly refusing to provide a single scan for any argument you made, yet demand that everyone provide the same scans multiple times as you just ignore them, and then declare yourself right when you have nothing to prove yourself as such. This is not how debating works Jinx.