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[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

you wanna extent this ability to every servant, are thr more examples of normal servants doing this, has a servant ascended thru sheer rage? and not some complex/conditions nasu bs generally do
cant see the links
im still netural leaning agree

has anyone else done this? has he fought a shadow of another servant and absorbed it? or another servant in general and absorbed them? sounds like a weakness of the shadows that they can be absorbed/or hes exclusive ability absorbing them

i was reading the comments prior and it ****** with me agree on size manip
not resistance negation

did the demon pillar come back? during this scene isnt thr alot of servants banding together to destroy the pillars, is it stated any where only bedievere pillars being destroyed dont return?

is it a large human sized portal or is it the standard GoB spam, do the portals show the underworld? golden portal sfx still can mean hes gonna jokingly do it by killing him

fair enough

Like the others said, there have been some instances of servants ascending likely through sheer emotion if not just rage. I don't know the context for the others though, but it's worth noting on the profiles anyways.

I think other servants have consumed other sources of magical energy in the past, like all servants being able to consume souls. I don't see why shadow servants are any different.

Good.

No they didn't come back. This scene plays after the player wins the fight against the demon god pillar.

It's a VN, the animation is not meant to be super detailed. Whoever animated it only showed a bunch of golden portals showing up like in his GoB attacks.

gud

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Like the others said, there have been some instances of servants ascending likely through sheer emotion if not just rage. I don't know the context for the others though, but it's worth noting on the profiles anyways.

I now recalled other times in which servants ascended by sheer emotions like Salieri who's power increase by his rage to Mozart (in the end even reaching a point in which his music could affect Ivan), iirc Orion also ascended by his rage when he was gonna shoot to Artemis (it's one of the few things of Atlantis that I saw), Bryn I think did the same in LB2 for Sigurd, Mori in the recent GudaGuda become more powerful each time with his excitement for battle (in the part of Ushi he even ascended because the excitement for face Nobu and our group), Aśvatthāman also strengthened and even ascended by rage in LB4, and I'm sure there are more examples.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

What are the conclusions here so far?

Sernat physiology:

• Rage Power: Is currently discussed if should be added to servant physiology or just to Gilles.
• Absorption: The rest seem fine with it but currently Lloyd is doubtul of this.
• Sense emotions: All agree.
• Resistance to Status Effect Inducement and/or Paralysis Inducement: I think no one is against it.

Specific servants:

• Size manip for Eresh: All seem to agree.
• Status Effect Inducement for Waver: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Absorption for Tesla: No one disagree.
• 5 kilometer range with Nightingale's gun: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Pain Manipulation for Cu Alter: No one disagree.
• Psychometry for Da Vinci's staff: Disagree because seems to fit better the Info analysis she already have.
• Resistance to Pain Manipulation for Bedivere: No one disagree.
• Immortality Negation with his NP to Bedivere: Most seem to disagree.
• Enhanced Senses/Sound Manipulation addition for Tristan: No one disagree.
• Body Control for Benkei: No one disagree.
• BFR for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: Is currently discussed with Lloyd.
• Curse Manipulation for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: All seem to agree.
• Resistance to Curse Manipulation for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: I think the rest agree.
• More justifications for Gil's Enhanced Senses: No one disagree.
• Limited Resistance to Disease Manipulation for Gil and full resistance to Altera and Ritsuka: No one disagree.
• Add recon drones to Danzo's standard equipment: No one disagree.
• Duplication for Tamacat: No one disagree.
• Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Causality Manipulation for Semiramis: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Sound Manipulation for Cu and Diarmuid: No one disagree.
• Technological Manipulation for Merlin: No one disagree.
• Clairvoyance addition for Avicebron: No one disagree.
• Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation and also Perception Manipulation for Da Vinci: No one disagree.
• Mind Manipulation and Information Analysis/Clairvoyance for Medea: No one disagree.
• A unique Enhanced Senses for Mozart: No one disagree.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

I added Bedi's justification for his immortality neg btw

For the disease resist, only Gil has the limited form because he eventually succumbed to it if I'm not mistaken. Only Guda and Santa Altera resisted it just fine.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

For the disease resist, only Gil has the limited form because he eventually succumbed to it if I'm not mistaken. Only Guda and Santa Altera resisted it just fine.

Changed.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Resistance to Status Effect Inducement and/or Paralysis Inducement: I think no one is against it.

Man i forgot about this, does this change would affected Raikou vs Baam?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Man i forgot about this, does this change would affected Raikou vs Baam?

Don't know, if it was a smurf resistance then probably yes but I think Baam have layers of paralysis.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

The bounded field had a low rank so I don't think it helps anyways.

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

The bounded field had a low rank so I don't think it helps anyways.

Yeah, though Mash say that because the rank of it is low even a Demi-Servant like her can pass through so the resistance of normal servants would be above, and probably the resistance of Magic Resistance would be some layer more to add on top of that.

Yep, don't know if the match against Baam is affected or no with this since Raikou would also have layered resistance to paralysis.

 

[Antvasima]

Sernat physiology:

• Rage Power: Is currently discussed if should be added to servant physiology or just to Gilles.
• Absorption: The rest seem fine with it but currently Lloyd is doubtul of this.
• Sense emotions: All agree.
• Resistance to Status Effect Inducement and/or Paralysis Inducement: I think no one is against it.

Specific servants:

• Size manip for Eresh: All seem to agree.
• Status Effect Inducement for Waver: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Absorption for Tesla: No one disagree.
• 5 kilometer range with Nightingale's gun: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Pain Manipulation for Cu Alter: No one disagree.
• Psychometry for Da Vinci's staff: Disagree because seems to fit better the Info analysis she already have.
• Resistance to Pain Manipulation for Bedivere: No one disagree.
• Immortality Negation with his NP to Bedivere: Most seem to disagree.
• Enhanced Senses/Sound Manipulation addition for Tristan: No one disagree.
• Body Control for Benkei: No one disagree.
• BFR for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: Is currently discussed with Lloyd.
• Curse Manipulation for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: All seem to agree.
• Resistance to Curse Manipulation for Caster Gil and Archer Gil: I think the rest agree.
• More justifications for Gil's Enhanced Senses: No one disagree.
• Limited Resistance to Disease Manipulation for Gil and full resistance to Altera and Ritsuka: No one disagree.
• Add recon drones to Danzo's standard equipment: No one disagree.
• Duplication for Tamacat: No one disagree.
• Spatial Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Causality Manipulation for Semiramis: No one disagree.
• Resistance to Sound Manipulation for Cu and Diarmuid: No one disagree.
• Technological Manipulation for Merlin: No one disagree.
• Clairvoyance addition for Avicebron: No one disagree.
• Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation and also Perception Manipulation for Da Vinci: No one disagree.
• Mind Manipulation and Information Analysis/Clairvoyance for Medea: No one disagree.
• A unique Enhanced Senses for Mozart: No one disagree.

Thank you. What has been accepted can probably be applied then, in lack of better options.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Don't know, if it was a smurf resistance then probably yes but I think Baam have layers of paralysis.

Yeah, though Mash say that because the rank of it is low even a Demi-Servant like her can pass through so the resistance of normal servants would be above, and probably the resistance of Magic Resistance would be some layer more to add on top of that.

Yep, don't know if the match against Baam is affected or no with this since Raikou would also have layered resistance to paralysis.

I think the match would be fine, Raikou MR are still D tier and with how much potent Baam paralysis via Shinsoo work she can't truly resisted/nullified the effect of it, partialy resisted tho

Anyway that's all, i also agreed with the revision as well

 

[Loyd]

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my doubts are just neutral but i agree with this

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. What has been accepted can probably be applied then, in lack of better options.

So is some knowledgeable member(s) here who knows how to edit properly willing to apply what has been accepted here?

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

These changes don't seem to be added, shall I do this now myself? I can start with the servant physiology page.

 

[Antvasima]

That is probably fine, yes.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Added, specific servant additions may be done by someone else for now.

 

[ShadowWhoWalks]

So I found a case of Spirit Origin ascension via. rage, and two potential cases:

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Solomon Singularity:

Alexander:
And another helper. Now, let's get going, my future rival!

Darius III:
▂▂▃▃▄▄▄▄▅▅▅▅...!!!

El-Melloi II:
Are you managing to control him? Well, as long as he's not attacking us, I suppose he's under control...

Alexander:
Haha. Yes, he's holding back. Darius III, the man destined to become my greatest rival.
The final Persian King of the Achaemenid Empire. Though he doesn't quite feel real to me yet...
You know, I don't hate you. I probably even like you.
...I don't know how the future me will be, but I don't think he'd hate you. Yes, I'm sure of it.

Darius III:
▂▂▃▃▄▄▄▄▅▅▅▅...

Alexander:
Even now, I don't want to wait for my own future to have a chance to fight you. We couldn't do it back in Rome.
But I'm sorry. That just won't be possible right now.

El-Melloi II:
...
I'm not sure if your words are getting through to him. He has a high-ranking Madness Enhancement on him, after all.
Sorry, but this exchange might be pointless.

Alexander:
You're right. It's really just to fulfill my selfish desires. So I want to say this one thing before we go on our endless assault.
King Darius. How can you stand your urges...
I'm sure you want to kill me with all of your being, so why are you fighting those nine pillars instead?
It'd make sense if it was because you couldn't fight me if the world ended, but that can't be it.

Darius III:
▂▂▃▃▄▄▄▄▅▅▅▅⸻

Alexander:
Right. Maybe...and this is just a maybe...
Through that Madness Enhancement of yours, you saw the possibility of us fighting side by side.

Darius III:
▂▂▃▃▄▄▄▄▅▅▅▅!!!!

El-Melloi II:
Ascension!? Alexander, you've overstimulated him!

Alexander:
Haha. It wasn't really a joke. But see? He's still not attacking. Aw, you...
...No, pushing him further would be a bad idea...
Sorry to keep you waiting. Anyway, let's go!
Darius III and Lord El-Melloi II, my future rival and my future retainer! Let us go forth!

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From Oniland event:

Blackbeard Oni
I need more! More! More love!

Blackbeard Oni
Hrghhhhhh... Graaaaaaah!!!

Blackbeard Oni
Yeeeeees! Envy! Jealousy! Resentment! Losers of the world, lend me your strength!

Blackbeard Oni
Lend me your pooooooooower!!!

Blackbeard Oni
Hehehe. Looks like it worked.

Mash
It's a Spirit Origin Ascension!

Sitonai
He's using the gold's magical energy! Watch out! It's made him much stronger than he was before!

Blackbeard Oni
Sorry to keep all you lovely ladies waiting. The insect who told me to die like scum...less so.

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Medea Lily in Turas Realta suspected that Asterios reached Spirit Origin ascension, though it appears that he almost reached it rather than outright reached it: EDIT: Actually his horns became much bigger, so he indeed reached ascension.

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As previously mentioned, there is an additional case in GUDAGUDA final as well:

Mori Nagayoshi
All right! Going up against the boss oughta be a damn good time! I don't know anything about this Alter stuff, but who cares! I'm gonna go all out for this one!

Mori Nagayoshi
Hahahahaha! This is the outfit made for the Mori clan's last stand! Come at me with everything you got, Boss!

Minamoto Yoshitsune Alter-Style
Ooh, you remind me of the wild oni warrios I used to see in the Heian period! Anyway, let's do this thing!

 

[Antvasima]

So what is left todo here?