Minor DMC CTR

[Mister6ame6]

Well, there was a tiny thing i'm wanted to add so lets get to it.

DMC5 Devil Breaker Nero

Low Complex Multiverse level (After training for one month to get stronger to face Urizen once again, by simply killing demons, he was stated by Nico that thanks to her he have regained all his lost strength from his DMC4 self and stated multiple times by V and Griffon to have become much more stronger than before to the point that they think he is a way better warrior to fight against Urizen on their places and to also have all the requirements necessary to wield the Devil Sword Sparda, even also much better than powerful demons like V and Nightmare with them. Was able to easily defeat and resist Malphas's powers), much higher with the Devil Breakers (The Devil Breakers amplify Nero's innate demonic powers)

Give V some strong mind and soul resistance since he have the heart to use the Devil Sword Sparda just lack the body to use it and also can get empowered by Nightmare's power without getting consumed by him in the process, as mentioned by Agnus you need a strong mind and body also soul to not get consumed by a demon if you wishes to uses his powers

That's all nothing more to say here.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

This again?

We already did this dance and song here https://vsbattles.com/threads/devil-breaker-nero-dmc5.146231/

 

[Mister6ame6]

This again?

We already did this dance and song here https://vsbattles.com/threads/devil-breaker-nero-dmc5.146231/

I not seeing V being part of it, which V makes blatant clear he is better them him in every departement if V only lacks the body and say Nero is better them him on every departement them Nero will scale to DSS on V's and Nightmare level regardless if V was talking about Nightmare atm or not, plus my scans does prove that the mid tier thing from DSS is baselless headcanon, which means that if V was still thinking of using a depowered Nero he would have gone to the sword isntead of chilling for a entire mouth with his summons, so V getting the mentally of using a ''everithing regardess of how weaker they are'' is contradicted and show that even knowing that Nero will train to get stronger to extract more power from DSS, he still did not bother with it.

So don't see how exactly this is comparable to what is was said before.

 

[Hypertornado099]

as mentioned by Agnus you need a strong mind and body also soul to not get consumed by a demon if you wishes to uses his powers

The scan doesn't say you need to have a strong soul to not get it consumed by the demon

 

[Mister6ame6]

The scan doesn't say you need to have a strong soul to not get it consumed by the demon

That scan is just the continuation of what Agnus was talking about with Nero that after going though the ascension ceremony ritual that to be able to become a ''angel'' (Demon in this case), you need a strong body, mind and spirit to be able to become one without losing yourself and becoming a mindless beast.

 

[Hypertornado099]

That scan is just the continuation of what Agnus was talking about with Nero that after going though the ascension ceremony ritual that to be able to become a ''angel'' (Demon in this case), you need a strong body, mind and spirit to be able to become one without losing yourself and becoming a mindless beast.

No he just said someone who has a righteous mind and spirit would become angelic rather than demonic

 

[Mister6ame6]

No he just said someone who has a righteous mind and spirit would become angelic rather than demonic

Angels don't exist in DMC verse, only humans and demons, both that undergo the ascension ceremony ritual (Which is transplanting demonic power in himself) will turn in demonic entities, not angel ones, Credo, Agnus and Sanctus are confirmed to be demons by the devs not angels, and they the ones that successfully turned themselves in demons by undergoing the ascension ceremony ritual.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Angels don't exist in DMC verse, only humans and demons, both that undergo the ascension ceremony ritual (Which is transplanting demonic power in himself) will turn in demonic entities, not angel ones, Credo, Agnus and Sanctus are confirmed to be demons by the devs not angels, and they the ones that successfully turned themselves in demons by undergoing the ascension ceremony ritual.

Ok and where does it say that it will consume your soul if it isn't strong enough?

 

[Mister6ame6]

Ok and where does it say that it will consume your soul if it isn't strong enough?

Because is the literally the same thing in the context as the other scan since is about using demonic power to turn hinself in a demon, there is no difference in the context they even mention that if you sucessed you turn hinself into a demonic entity, which is literally explained in the fist scan.

 

[Hypertornado099]

Because is the literally the same thing in the context as the other scan since is about using demonic power to turn hinself in a demon, there is no difference in the context they even mention that if you sucessed you turn hinself into a demonic entity, which is literally explained in the fist scan.

Can you show the context?

 

[Random-Helper323]

The scan that says Nero has more potential than Dante is coming from two seperate untrustworthy sources at once. Firstly it's Agnus, who consistently underestimated both Nero and Dante, but especially underestimated Dante. Secondly it's the Deadly Fortune novel which infamously downplayed Dante throughout. Two seperate reasons not to trust that scan in regards to scaling.

 

[Random-Helper323]

he was stated by Nico that thanks to her he have regained all his lost strength from his DMC4 self

The scan says he regained the strength to fight. It doesn't necessarily mean he regained all his prior strength.

and stated multiple times by V and Griffon to have become much more stronger than before to the point that they think he is a way better warrior to fight against Urizen on their places

This might be something. Honestly, limit this stuff to scaling between Nero and Nightmare and you might have a solid case. All the attempts to go higher and scale above Dante leaves the argument looking silly. If you push too far it weakens the whole argument, and the Nero/Nightmare scaling is cast in the same category as the baseless bullshit.

and to also have all the requirements necessary to wield the Devil Sword Sparda, even also much better than powerful demons like V and Nightmare with them

Nightmare being unable to wield the Sparda means nothing, and we know Nightmare's strength doesn't apply to V's, or V himself wouldn't be vulnerable the way he is. We know Sparda's blood is required to wield it. V is too weak, and Nightmare isn't a Sparda.

. Was able to easily defeat and resist Malphas's powers), much higher with the Devil Breakers (The Devil Breakers amplify Nero's innate demonic powers)

Now this is a possible argument too. Please stick to the Nero/Nightmare scaling. The attempts to elevate Nero above Dante and Vergil aren't doing this argument any favours.

Even the very thing used to argue he is stronger, his victory over Vergil, ironically proves otherwise, because he still struggled and even loses the sword fight segment of his own grapple attack even though Vergil was just as exhausted and beaten up as he was in DMC3 when Arkham stomped both him and Dante while admitting a fresh Vergil would stomp him.

Give V some strong mind and soul resistance since he have the heart to use the Devil Sword Sparda just lack the body to use it and also can get empowered by Nightmare's power

We know V's body doesn't scale to Nightmare in terms of power. We also know Nightmare, for all his power, isn't a guarantee of V's own ability to beat things Nightmare is stronger than, or V wouldn't have been afraid of the Gilgamesh, and needed Trish to stop him from falling, and Griffon wouldn't keep advising him to avoid fights. Nightmare is a weapon with limited ammunition which can be worked around.

I sort of think of it this way: V is the Pokémon trainer, Nightmare is the Pokémon, but the Pokémon can only be out for a very short time, breaks must be taken between his appearances, and he is clumsy and can be avoided to run down the timer. And the enemy all want a piece of the trainer (probably his torn out heart) and can easily kill him. That set-up has more weaknesses than strengths.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Like I said, the Nero part was already debunked in the previous thread even the Nightmare stuff was already tackled in the past

 

[Tanin_iver]

WHERE ARE THE TAGS

I'm unsure about scaling even Malphas to Nightmare since V was weakened and disintegrating and probably wasn't capable of handling any battles at the time.

I also disagree due to Random Helper's reasons.

 

[Random-Helper323]

WHERE ARE THE TAGS

Seconded. Threads, especially Content Revision Threads, need to have the tags attached so people can easily find them. It's a problem when they're not tagged.