Might Guy's and Rock Lee's at least 5x Multiplier With Gates.

[Jvando]

Pretty simple.

According to this scan:


The Gate of Opening Gives the user 100% from 20% of their muscular strength by overriding the safety feature of the brain. This means the user gains a 5x increase to strength and speed, exemplified by when Guy states "...The release of enough muscle power to enable the user to perform a series of grueling and demanding tasks at incredible speed...Pushing his own body to the limits of safety and beyond..."

Basically, with this scan, those who use the Gates have at least a 5x Speed and Strength increase with the later Gates showing more speed and power but to an unquantifiable extent (they don't give multipliers for the Gates after the Gate of Opening).

How this applies to Guy and Lee
We know that you have to open the Gates in order so, whenever Guy or Lee have used the gates above the Gate Of Opening, we know that the 1st gate is open as well.


Some Examples of this increase:

Chapter 258 when Guy is Facing 30% Kisame
He can't even match up to Kisame and is pegged pretty hard while in Base:





Then, after he opens up until the 6th Gate, even Kisame comments on his speed:





Chapter 83-85 Lee vs Gaara
He is getting destroyed by Gaara:





Then once Lee opens his gates, he basically Blitzes Gaara:







Conclusion
From this, we can see that the multiplier makes sense and isn't contradicted in the story whatsoever so it should be taken into consideration.

Disclaimer: No, no one will become FTL with these multipliers and don't assume that's what I'm trying to propose.

 

[Rocker1189]

agreed.

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

well, first things first i suppose- this also applies to kakashi. all his forms from pts to current. now, i can tell we are amping speed based on said mutlipliers, but what about AP?

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Makes sense in all honesty.

 

[TataHakai]

This looks good

 

[AstralKing7]

Interesting interesting. It looks fine and seems to have enough evidence


@Lorenzo Kakashi rarely uses the Gates tbh

 

[Omimi]

agreed

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

Interesting interesting. It looks fine and seems to have enough evidence

@Lorenzo Kakashi rarely uses the Gates tbh

madara has only used wood clones once in the entire show, yet this is prolly the biggest arguement i hear when he gets into any battle ever. if he has it, he has it.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Agree with the OP

 

[AstralKing7]

madara has only used wood clones once in the entire show, yet this is prolly the biggest arguement i hear when he gets into any battle ever. if he has it, he has it.


Kakashi is noted to use the gates already on his profile I believe. My point is that he doesn't use them at all tho in character.

Also no Madara actually used wood clones more than once my man

 

[Lorenzo.r.2nd]

25 times?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The OP's context seems fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

The OP's reasoning seems fine, to me.

 

[Elizhaa]

Since DarkDragonMedeus , an evaluating staff, agree with the OP and the OP looks largely uncontested, I think the changes can be added.

 

[Damage3245]

By the way, Might Guy's profile has 3 keys at the bottom, but four keys for his speed.

 

[AstralKing7]

I agree someone forgot to add the 7th gate to his profile because st the top of it shows only 6th, 8th and Base

 

[Damage3245]

Also, the Eight Gates is said to make the user tens of times stronger than the Five Kage. (Whether it means the five kages collectively or just tens of times stronger than the level of the Five Kage is unclear I think).

 

[TataHakai]

I think Gokage is a collective term for all 5 of the kage together

Otherwise it would've been "10 times stronger than any of the Kage's"

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm cool with 5x.

 

[AstralKing7]

tbf the 5x multiplier doest deal with the gokage. The 8 gates comment was in regards to the 8th gate specifically

 

[GodlyTae]

It's did not say speed it said power strength which is different.For one this would only bea 5x power amp (not speed) for the first gate it would not apply to the other gates.We also know the second or the first I forget gates main function is to replishness your stamina to 100 percent which would in return justbring you back to your original strength plus the gate amp

 

[AstralKing7]

bro it looks like everyone but you read the fine bold at the top in the bio where it literally says incredible speed and phyiscal strenght. You do know phyiscal strenght increases speed right?

 

[GodlyTae]

All these scansare not quantifiable they are just abritrauy scans showing they get an unknown amount faster

 

[TataHakai]

How is 20% to 100% unquantifiable? No offence but that's basic math

 

[AstralKing7]

leave. you obviously arent understanding the context. Muscle power= leg strenght= increased speed. Scans=proof. 5x increase in muscle power= 5 times increase in speed.

I think its literally impossible to explain this any simpler

 

[GodlyTae]

[1]

 

[Omimi]

did u even read it ? bold

Guy states "...The release of enough muscle power to enable the user to perform a series of grueling and demanding tasks at incredible speed...Pushing his own body to the limits of safety and beyond..."

 

[AstralKing7]

aww i just realized this thread is finished.

 

[GodlyTae]

@omimi

Ok incredible speed does not mean 5x still not quantifible

 

[AstralKing7]

y are u not reading the thread dude??? WHy are u literally ignoring where it said muscle power??? At this point your blanatly ignoring the context and evidence just to argue and to grasp

 

[TataHakai]

@Godlytae please read the post and thread

> We know that the gates give a boost in speed and power

> We know the boost is from 20% to 100%, that's 5 times

That's all we need really

 

[GodlyTae]

@astralking7

That is now true.I can have greater leg strength than someone and be slower than someone.My sqaut could go up by 100 times and me be the same speed.

 

[GodlyTae]

Yea its 5x power for the first gate.It does not say 5x speed those are two different things.Once again prove its linear

 

[TataHakai]

But it increases speed

And the increase is by 5 times

What's so hard to understand?

 

[Emperorj7]

But it increases speed

And the increase is by 5 times

What's so hard to understand?

You would have to demonstrate that because Tae is saying that if only says that it increases power by 5x. Power doesn't correlate to speed at all.

 

[GodlyTae]

By your logic if I sqaut more than usain bolt im just as fast as him

 

[TataHakai]

I would have to demonstrate that how?

1. We literally see that speed increases with the gates, this is self explanatory

2. The lee vs gaara fight was literally about Lee opening the gates and then being too QUICK to be caught by lee, literally that was the point of opening the gates in the first place, to say only power increases is to genuienly be stupid (No offence but literally)

3. It literally says that gates allow you to do things at faster speeds, from 20% to 100%, that's 5x

 

[GodlyTae]

@TataHakai

where does it say 5x speed

 

[TataHakai]

It says speed is increased

And it says the boost is from 100% to 20%, you are unnecessarily nitpicking and ignoring important context that points far more towards one than the other, please stop derailing the thread with asinine points.

 

[GodlyTae]

That not what it says.It says strength increases from 20% to 100%.Then it says speed goes up.It made a difference between power and speed and did not state 5x speed.So once again prove it goes up by a linear amount