Michael Myers is 9-A (Not anymore)

[TheShape03]

Well, this calculation was accepted.

Thanks to that, Michael Myers of Thorn and H20 would be upgraded to Small Building level Wall level (1.27 MJ) in Durability. BUT this would also scale to Attack Potency/Striking Strength, since throughout the movies there are many characters who can damage or stagger Michael. Michael is comparable to those characters and in several cases he is also capable of damaging them.

Examples:

Thorn: Dr. Loomis, Kara Strode and Tommy Doyle.

H20: Marion Chambers, John Tate, Laurie Strode, Jim Morgan, Rudy Grimes and Freddie Harris.

Dr. Loomis, Laurie Strode and Freddie Harris also become 9-A 9-B (1.27 MJ).

 

[AThe1412]

Well, this calculation was accepted.

Thanks to that, Michael Myers of Thorn and H20 would be upgraded to Small Building level in Durability. BUT this would also scale to Attack Potency/Striking Strength, since throughout the movies there are many characters who can damage or stagger Michael. Michael is comparable to those characters and in several cases he is also capable of damaging them.

Examples:

Thorn: Dr. Loomis, Kara Strode and Tommy Doyle.

H20: Marion Chambers, John Tate, Laurie Strode, Jim Morgan, Rudy Grimes and Freddie Harris.

Dr. Loomis also becomes 9-A.

Never thought I would see the day where Michael becomes stronger than most versions of Jason.

 

[Iceking_24]

Well, this calculation was accepted.

Thanks to that, Michael Myers of Thorn and H20 would be upgraded to Small Building level in Durability. BUT this would also scale to Attack Potency/Striking Strength, since throughout the movies there are many characters who can damage or stagger Michael. Michael is comparable to those characters and in several cases he is also capable of damaging them.

Examples:

Thorn: Dr. Loomis, Kara Strode and Tommy Doyle.

H20: Marion Chambers, John Tate, Laurie Strode, Jim Morgan, Rudy Grimes and Freddie Harris.

Dr. Loomis, Laurie Strode and Freddie Harris also become 9-A.

Yeah I agree

 

[Tonygameman]

Quite straight-forward.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The explosion is correctly calculated but the energy transfered isn't. You have to divide the energy by Michael's surface area, since only a portion of the explosions would hit him.

• Explosion Surface Area: 792.15 / 2 = 396.075 m^2
• Michael SA : 1.7 m^2 (Using a average person)
• Energy transfered: 26184056.5 * (1.7 / 396.075) = 112,385 Joules

Link to a similar calc that has to use the same logic

EDIT: Actually my example is a lowball. You would first need to find the distance between Myers and the cannisters for it.

 

[HorrorHistory]

Well, this calculation was accepted.

Thanks to that, Michael Myers of Thorn and H20 would be upgraded to Small Building level in Durability. BUT this would also scale to Attack Potency/Striking Strength, since throughout the movies there are many characters who can damage or stagger Michael. Michael is comparable to those characters and in several cases he is also capable of damaging them.

Examples:

Thorn: Dr. Loomis, Kara Strode and Tommy Doyle.

H20: Marion Chambers, John Tate, Laurie Strode, Jim Morgan, Rudy Grimes and Freddie Harris.

Dr. Loomis, Laurie Strode and Freddie Harris also become 9-A.

9-A Michael is crazy but I agree.

 

[TheShape03]

The explosion is correctly calculated but the energy transfered isn't. You have to divide the energy by Michael's surface area, since only a portion of the explosions would hit him.

I'm not entirely sure how gas explosions work, I just thought Michael and Dr. Loomis would scale to the full yield of the explosion because the Doctor lit the lighter right next to him.

 

[Just_Butchering]

I'm not entirely sure how gas explosions work, I just thought Michael and Dr. Loomis would scale to the full yield of the explosion because the Doctor lit the lighter right next to him.

Assuming Loomis does scale to the explosion fully, then I do agree this scales to Michael too (both AP and Durability, no way he is less durable than Loomis)

 

[Cropfist]

It should be an at most stat since Michael was left comatose for 20 years

 

[09Kayson09]

It should be an at most stat since Michael was left comatose for 20 years

10 years

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm not entirely sure how gas explosions work, I just thought Michael and Dr. Loomis would scale to the full yield of the explosion because the Doctor lit the lighter right next to him.

The entire room was filled with the explosive material. Meaning that once triggered it spreads out omni-directionally.

Loomis would have withstood a full amount of a smaller explosion, but the 9-A rating is from the entire room being filled with gas.

 

[Ezaru]

Meaning that once triggered it spreads out omni-directionally.

Well, so would a c4 explosion, but the point is that the explosive material itself is spread out, not the explosion

It's like the difference between holding ten sticks of TNT in your hand, and being in a large room with 10 sticks spread out

One would scale to basically the entire force of the explosion, while the other would scale to much less

 

[Qawsedf234]

It's like the difference between holding ten sticks of TNT in your hand, and being in a large room with 10 sticks spread out

The comparison isn't correct. It's more like standing in a room full of black powder and dropping a match on the floor. Only a portion of the total energy would be exposed to you.

 

[TheShape03]

The comparison isn't correct. It's more like standing in a room full of black powder and dropping a match on the floor. Only a portion of the total energy would be exposed to you.

Well, I guess that makes sense. So how do you suggest I calculate the energy that Dr. Loomis received?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well, I guess that makes sense. So how do you suggest I calculate the energy that Dr. Loomis received?

Explosive Energy * Loomis Surface Area / Surface Area of the room.

 

[TheShape03]

Explosive Energy * Loomis Surface Area / Surface Area of the room.

Mmm, Donald Pleasance is 5'6" tall and weighs 140 pounds. According to this calculator, his body surface area is about 1.719 m^2.

As the calculation says, the area of the room was 400 square feet (37.1612 m^2).

The yield of the explosion was 26184056.46296 Joules.

26184056.46296 * 1.738 / 37.1612 = 1224607.65887 Joules

Would this work?

 

[HorrorHistory]

I don’t even see why it wouldn’t just be baseline 9-A. It blew apart an entire room and damaged another, and to yield 9-A means to destroy small buildings or even rooms.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Would this work?

Yeah it would. You could also sub it for Michael since he's a bit bigger and it can be used for his durability.

just be baseline 9-A.

The explosion is 9-A, it's just that they don't scale to the full brunt of it.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Yeah it would. You could also sub it for Michael since he's a bit bigger and it can be used for his durability.

Yeah, though he would already upscales from Loomis

 

[TheShape03]

This is disappointing, but still better than his current scale.

 

[Just_Butchering]

This is disappointing, but still better than his current scale.

1.27 MJ is not that bad

And while Michael would scale from fighting those that stagger him, I think he has hurt Loomis enough to also scales from his 1.22 MJ

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

This is disappointing, but still better than his current scale.

Inverse Square law once again destroying people's dreams

 

[AThe1412]

Bruh, I mean 9-B is less of an outlier at least. Looks like Jason still dominates.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Bruh, I mean 9-B is less of an outlier at least. Looks like Jason still dominates.

Overall, yes. But 1.22-1.27 MJ beat the two human Jason keys and technically Undead Jason too

 

[TheShape03]

Yeah it would. You could also sub it for Michael since he's a bit bigger and it can be used for his durability.


The explosion is 9-A, it's just that they don't scale to the full brunt of it.

The calculation has been updated and accepted again.

 

[TheShape03]

By the way, since Thorn's Michael was in a coma for 10 years after the explosion, his durability will be "at most Wall level."

 

[HorrorHistory]

By the way, since Thorn's Michael was in a coma for 10 years after the explosion, his durability will be "at most Wall level."

Isn’t that because the thorn demon went inactive?

 

[TheShape03]

Isn’t that because the thorn demon went inactive?

As far as I remember, the script says it was because of the explosion.

 

[Just_Butchering]

By the way, since Thorn's Michael was in a coma for 10 years after the explosion, his durability will be "at most Wall level."

I mean, he still has other Wall level feats, so this would be his max durability that he can survive.
Personally, I'd leave it as Wall level, but just clarify that the explosion put him in a coma, and maybe add a note saying he downscales from the value.

I think the same would apply to Loomis (though tbh he didn't seems to have that many injuries), and therefore, Michael's AP

 

[Qawsedf234]

By the way, since Thorn's Michael was in a coma for 10 years after the explosion, his durability will be "at most Wall level."

Yeah. Well both would be at most since either way they're out for >12 hours

 

[TheShape03]

Yeah. Well both would be at most since either way they're out for >12 hours

I thought H20's Michael escaped before they found him. Since unlike Thorn's Michael, H20's Michael didn't get caught.

 

[Raincutter]

By the way, since Thorn's Michael was in a coma for 10 years after the explosion, his durability will be "at most Wall level."

The "At Most" is unnecessary since he already has 9B door stuff he scales to. Furthermore, Loomis says he's faking it - and given the fact that Loomis who's obviously weaker didn't die or go into a coma, him having a deeper grasp of Myers than any other character, and Myer's seemingly coming to only when the doctors mention his niece, I think he's probably right. The gas station also full on explodes in the novel and Loomis tanks it which I've calced at 9-A.

There's also a statement in Halloween 6 that he's only grown stronger over time so I wouldn't cap Thorn Myers by a feat 10+ years ago in-universe that he was likely faking anyways. If anything, we might put "At Least"

 

[Raincutter]

Someone needs to calc the 3 different house explosions he scales to in the novels

 

[Iceking_24]

Someone needs to calc the 3 different house explosions he scales to in the novels

It’s 9-A

 

[Iceking_24]

The "At Most" is unnecessary since he already has 9B door stuff he scales to. Furthermore, Loomis says he's faking it - and given the fact that Loomis who's obviously weaker didn't die or go into a coma, him having a deeper grasp of Myers than any other character, and Myer's seemingly coming to only when the doctors mention his niece, I think he's probably right. The gas station also full on explodes in the novel and Loomis tanks it which I've calced at 9-A.

There's also a statement in Halloween 6 that he's only grown stronger over time so I wouldn't cap Thorn Myers by a feat 10+ years ago in-universe that he was likely faking anyways. If anything, we might put "At Least"

Also, I think we should add in the addition of the novelizations for Halloween 1-4

 

[AThe1412]

It’s 9-A

Get that on a blog and get a CGM to look at it. Make sure to use ISL to get Michael's durability assuming he doesn't scale to the full blast.

 

[Ezaru]

The comparison isn't correct. It's more like standing in a room full of black powder and dropping a match on the floor. Only a portion of the total energy would be exposed to you.

Yeah that's a better example, I just wanted to clarify that it's the explosive material itself being spread out, since you worded it a bit ambiguously

 

[Qawsedf234]

It’s 9-A

For the novels its not. The fire creates a pressure wave but there's no explosion. The house itself is still standing multiple minutes later as the townsfolk group around to watch it burn while Michael escapes.

 

[TheShape03]

and Myer's seemingly coming to only when the doctors mention his niece, I think he's probably right

I'm pretty sure that happens because of Thorn's curse, Michael found out he has family alive and got up to do his job.

The gas station also full on explodes in the novel and Loomis tanks it which I've calced at 9-A.

In the movie that doesn't happen, I'm pretty sure the movie has canon priority over the novel. In the movie there is an explosion, but it doesn't even hit Dr. Loomis.

Furthermore, Loomis says he's faking it

There's also a statement in Halloween 6 that he's only grown stronger over time

Send me these two statements please.

Then we could justify his Durability with "At least Wall level (He survived this explosion and only pretended to be in a coma, he's gotten stronger and stronger over time)"

 

[Raincutter]

I'm pretty sure that happens because of Thorn's curse, Michael found out he has family alive and got up to do his job.

That would still imply he's not in a coma and has just gone dormant until he has a reason to kill agai

Send me these two statements please.

Then we could justify his Durability with "At least Wall level (He survived this explosion and only pretended to be in a coma, he's gotten stronger and stronger over time)

Here. Page 15 of the script. Dr. Hoffman says he's comatose, Loomis says he's waiting.

https://thescriptlab.com/wp-content/uploads/scripts/Halloween-4.pdf

And here's the H6 statement
"That's what someone wants us to believe, but I tell you Michael is alive. I feel him. I sense the evil that lives inside, just as I did all those years as I watched him. Sitting behind these very same walls. Staring . Growing stronger."

It's not in the threatrical version, I think, but it is included in the producers cut and tv showings.