MGS4 Solid Snake VS MGS4 Raiden

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

The only reference I have is their fight against Vamp, but I'm not sure if that is enough to reach a conclusion. Who do you think will be the winner?

 

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

Bump. Someone, please, free me from this existential crisis.

 

[Xmark12]

They seem to be in similar tiers, but if Raiden goes ripper mode, it's probably all over for Snake.

 

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

But ripper mode is from Rising and this is MGS4 Raiden. Rising Raiden stomps, surely.

 

[Minstry_of_pain]

Snake takes this. He was shown to be above raiden when he was actually able to bring down vamp to where raiden got rekt by him. Snake clearly is above raiden in MGS4 revengance isn't bein use because that's a clear winner. Also it doesn't help raiden that snake is above him in CQC and has more equipment up his arsenal than raiden. Giving it to snake middle difficulty. Also snake has battle experience against cyborg ninjas like raiden Grey fox of course.

 

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

I see. Thank you both for your inputs.

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

ACTUALLY, the only reason Snake was able to beat Vamp was due to the fact that Naomi gave Snake a serum that STOPPED VAMP'S Regenerationn. Snake was only able to reduce Vamp's stamina and insert the serum while Raiden had another round with Vamp while Snake covered him with the railgun against the Gekkos.

Raiden has shown clear feats that he well above Solid Snake's ability. I would even say for MGS4 Raiden to be well above Grey Fox, because Raiden could take a stab to the heart and lungs as if they were superficial wounds. Meanwhile, Grey Fox was still hurt by bullets.

 

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

When I mentioned the Vamp fight, I didn't mean to imply that Snake was capable to defeat him and Raiden not. I mentioned Vamp because both of them were able to bring him down. Raiden did it in Act 2 and Snake did it before inject the syringe into Vamp. Certainly neither Snake nor Raiden could've killed Vamp without the nanomachine suppressor. There I have the origin of my doubt.

Now, about Raiden being WELL ABOVE Grey Fox…

https://youtu.be/OS57A_MMHOw?t=65 regular bullets does nothing to him.

https://youtu.be/OS57A_MMHOw?t=700 he has a jet engine somewhere…

https://youtu.be/RKLc3ZIVxew?t=171 he has a decent lifting feat.

https://youtu.be/RKLc3ZIVxew?t=209 Fox deflecting bullets.

https://youtu.be/RKLc3ZIVxew?t=220 and dodging.

https://youtu.be/RKLc3ZIVxew?t=333 and dodging again (but more badass than before).

Besides, Raiden doesn't show pain, but he still was out of combat until the ending of Act 4 because of the stabs. For me, Raiden seems fairly even with Gray Fox, comparing with his feats in MGS4 (well, except for the lifting strength).


Anyway, thanks for giving your opinion.

 

[LeonRaidenYun]

I would like to point out that the first video had Grey Fox deflect those bullets by moving at high speeds-- shown by the ripple effect from the movement of his sword. Those white lines are him moving to block the bullets, which is something Raiden does for a regular in MGS4. This does not translate to him being immune to bullet, as when Grey Fox was running towards Metal Gear Rex, his visor was shot off by one of it's bullets and those are regular machine gun bullets as well.

As for Grey Fox lifting Metal Gear Rex's foot, let's not forget Raiden being able to stop Outer Haven while being weak as ****. This feat alone trumps Grey Fox's lifting strength.

Let's not forget the fact that Raiden stopped Outer Haven from a very long distance. Which means he had to be extremely fast to get from Point A to Point B and he was well over several meters. Raiden's speed feats in MGS4 trump Grey Fox's, with him being able to keep up with Vamp, detect and deflect bullets as a standard and blitz his way to stop Outer Haven while injured.

 

[The_Wandering_Shepherd]

Now, in MGS I never was able to defeat Grey Fox with gun fire. By CODEC they tell you that this is because of his exoskeleton. And if he dodged Rex bullets, surely was because 30mm bullets (XGAU 8R cannons) are very different from regular bullets.

Raiden going from A to B in Shadow Moses is not more impressive than Snake running away from Outer Heaven' explosion. Finally, keeping up with Vamp is not a decisive feat, since Snake did it too.

 

[fandom_960achille]

Snake has remove vamp Regenerationn, but the question is: can Solid Snake defeat Raiden ? for my the answer because Raiden is Bulletproof and he can keep fight even with worse wounds. Raiden Furthermore is strong enough for kill Snake in one hit.

 

[Minstry_of_pain]

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