The Gear of Madness (Madness Combat vs Metal Gear)

[Chariot190]

I don’t mean like he canonically loses the fight. I mean that in game if you run out in the open enemies don’t just lose sight of you (and game wise kill the crap out of you in 1 and 2 which is what I was referring to, but the dying part is gameplay).

Don't know which game you've been playing, but it's super easy to lose them, especially in MGS2 where you have numerous options from overhangs, gaps, or even just juking them, especially with your kit. MGS1 is especially easy because the AI is kind of...
Also, disengage and escape tactics as to transition into stealth is one of the very first things he learned in FOXHOUND?

That’s all I meant. Meaning Hank shouldn’t either.

And why's that exactly? Given Raiden can, very easily, shake off soldiers with super human senses?
And this isn't even human Raiden, for argument's sake, let's say you're right, that gets thrown out the window given this is updated patriot's body, who mind you, has literally better stealth than characters who have vanished in the time it took someone to blink.

And raiden has gone for stealth but why would he here when he starts out in the open with his opponent staring straight at him when he’ll go fight many many people out in the open.

Because stealth is his specialty and he even says as much as recently as MGR, furthermore, he's been actively trained to avoid fights at all costs and only engage if it's the only option possible.
Like that isn't even just guesswork, one of his tasks while training is word for word that shit, and it's stated ten-fold throughout MGS2, and even MGR (despite being an action games, there's multiple segments were stealth is the canon route with extra dialogue for actually doing it, such as in R-02).
That includes disengaging enemies that already have been alerted to his presence as to avoid risk, wasting ammo, take them out of complete his goals on his terms, not there's, or just to avoid them entirely if they're not part of his ops. Hank is so the end goal would be to take him out, but that doesn't mean stealth isn't involved, honestly the better question is why wouldn't he do that? Stealth is always his first option, he only fights directly if he has an agenda or is actively stalling for someone else in this key, such as with Vamp (who he outright states he wants to kill for EE in the japanese script and wants to do on equal footing) or the two times he was stalling for Snake, otherwise it's exclusively stealth.

Also, again, stun grenades, one of those goes down and he can easily vanish even if you want to argue he can't when being looked at. The fact this is cyborg raiden just makes it far worse given he has both the movement speed and mobility to vanish instantly.
he doesnt need stealth tho, he has borderline time stop dilation in this key, not even from blade mode btw, and given he has all equipment he has stuff that just makes him instant win even if bro has low godly.

 

[Robo432343]

hurry up and drop the MFTL+

 

[Comiphorous]

Scan time!!!!

No sensory organs. Eyes and ears (and the rest of the hearing parts obviously) have no place in their anatomy charts made by Nexus Core, who should know a thing or two about their own physiology since they're able to perfectly clone said bodies. This also includes a scan of their TAC-BAR allowing them to dodge flashbangs point blank anyways, so even if they did have eyes and ears that could get effected by it Hank is capable of dodging it.

Characters see through where you'd guess eyes would be on them (just above the horizontal cross on their face) but there's literally nothing there. It's referred to eyes for convenient understanding.

 

[Chariot190]

hurry up and drop the MFTL+

I mean the plan is to actually remove this particular key because it's a waste of space, and also not 8-A it's like 7-C, so been arguing under the notion this is MGS4 instead given it's basically the exact same (kind of the point, key redundant af).
Also working on it, adding bit feats atm, the majority is done.

Scan time!!!!

No sensory organs. Eyes and ears have no place in their anatomy charts made by Nexus Core, who should know a thing or two about their own physiology since they're able to perfectly clone said bodies.

Characters see through where you'd guess eyes would be on them (just above the horizontal cross on their face) but there's literally nothing there.

I pray to god that isn't your proof.
A simplified diagram, that shows various organs and brain tissue, is not "yo they lack EVERYTHING else btw.
"Eyes and ears have no place", isn't it messed up how that anatomy chart also doesn't show skin? Do they not have skin now too? Or muscles? No muscles so they must not have those?
Just because they don't focus on it doesn't mean they don't exist dude.

If anything I'm taking that as proof they do, the scan literally says they have eyes, it just makes a meta joke at the same time. Why ignore the blatant contradiction to your stance in the very same line?

Also, again, I shouldn't have to explain something that's that's been told to you multiple times now, but, you know that ears/eyes aren't what is actually effected by flash bangs right? Especially not on the level of 200db. It's internal. Chop your ears off and plug it up, that won't prevent it from doing what they do. And let's not get into the fact they can still see and hear no matter the case, sensory overload is still a thing. It' still blinding him, it's still making him unable to hear, argue he lacks whatever you want, that won't change.

The fact these characters can hear, and can see, doesn't matter how, they can, end of, tells me that your argument that they lack these things so they wouldn't be effected, which is extremely fragile at best anyhow, isn't stopping it. Ever.
In fact you JUST proved they're effected by flash bangs ffs. Like I legit can't believe the self-sabotage here, you unironically just proved that flash bangs are an actual viable thing that can be used against him, do show what happens if you DON'T dodge that, something tells me he isn't just completely unphased and not effected because he's blind, deaf, lacks organs but only the organs you say he does, and he never needed to dodge it to begin with and also everyone in that verse is dumb for making weapons that just don't effect anyone.

Now compare that miniscule flashbang, with Raiden's which has like a 30 meter radius AOE. Hank isn't dodging it.

It might not have been your intent, but you shot yourself in the foot, flash bangs work, you showed the fact they use them as weapons, and Raiden's are well above standard grade with a massive effective range that eclipses that (for reference btw, Raiden resists his own), so not only is Hank not dodging something that effects everything within a 30m radius, but they're also stronger than whatever he's using unless you got a statement saying otherwise.

 

[Chariot190]

As an fyi, the flash bangs ain't the problem, I'm just not buying the literal conjecture saying they're immune to them because uh?????

The actual issue is funny meme hax given he has all equipment here, which straight up invalidates low godly from being an issue.

 

[Comiphorous]

I pray to god that isn't your proof.
A simplified diagram, that shows various organs and brain tissue, is not "yo they lack EVERYTHING else btw.
"Eyes and ears have no place", isn't it messed up how that anatomy chart also doesn't show skin? Do they not have skin now too? Or muscles? No muscles so they must not have those?
Just because they don't focus on it doesn't mean they don't exist dude.

The diagram does show the skin you can clearly see it. it just doesn't point it out. that diagram is related to their organs and it doesn't show any sensory organs. it gets as straightforward as it gets.

And even then, why would a research facility regarding recreating the anatomy and making said anatomy from the ground up have a simplified poster of their anatomy? That makes zero sense.

If anything I'm taking that as proof they do, the scan literally says they have eyes, it just makes a meta joke at the same time. Why ignore the blatant contradiction to your stance in the very same line?

because even when where they "see" out of gets completely destroyed they are not hindered by it.

The fact these characters can hear, and can see, doesn't matter how, they can, end of, tells me that your argument that they lack these things so they wouldn't be effected, which is extremely fragile at best anyhow, isn't stopping it. Ever.
In fact you JUST proved they're effected by flash bangs ffs. Like I legit can't believe the self-sabotage here, you unironically just proved that flash bangs are an actual viable thing that can be used against him, do show what happens if you DON'T dodge that, something tells me he isn't just completely unphased and not effected because he's blind, deaf, lacks organs but only the organs you say he does, and he never needed to dodge it to begin with and also everyone in that verse is dumb for making weapons that just don't effect anyone.

characters don't get blinded by flashbangs even if they are hit by it.

Now compare that miniscule flashbang, with Raiden's which has like a 30 meter radius AOE. Hank isn't dodging it.

the range doesn't matter if regardless his tac-bar allows him to dodge the light that'd be ******* up his senses in the first place.

 

[Keeweed]

Don't know which game you've been playing, but it's super easy to lose them, especially in MGS2 where you have numerous options from overhangs, gaps, or even just juking them, especially with your kit. MGS1 is especially easy because the AI is kind of...
Also, disengage and escape tactics as to transition into stealth is one of the very first things he learned in FOXHOUND?

And why's that exactly? Given Raiden can, very easily, shake off soldiers with super human senses?
And this isn't even human Raiden, for argument's sake, let's say you're right, that gets thrown out the window given this is updated patriot's body, who mind you, has literally better stealth than characters who have vanished in the time it took someone to blink.

Because stealth is his specialty and he even says as much as recently as MGR, furthermore, he's been actively trained to avoid fights at all costs and only engage if it's the only option possible.
Like that isn't even just guesswork, one of his tasks while training is word for word that shit, and it's stated ten-fold throughout MGS2, and even MGR (despite being an action games, there's multiple segments were stealth is the canon route with extra dialogue for actually doing it, such as in R-02).
That includes disengaging enemies that already have been alerted to his presence as to avoid risk, wasting ammo, take them out of complete his goals on his terms, not there's, or just to avoid them entirely if they're not part of his ops. Hank is so the end goal would be to take him out, but that doesn't mean stealth isn't involved, honestly the better question is why wouldn't he do that? Stealth is always his first option, he only fights directly if he has an agenda or is actively stalling for someone else in this key, such as with Vamp (who he outright states he wants to kill for EE in the japanese script and wants to do on equal footing) or the two times he was stalling for Snake, otherwise it's exclusively stealth.

Also, again, stun grenades, one of those goes down and he can easily vanish even if you want to argue he can't when being looked at. The fact this is cyborg raiden just makes it far worse given he has both the movement speed and mobility to vanish instantly.
he doesnt need stealth tho, he has borderline time stop dilation in this key, not even from blade mode btw, and given he has all equipment he has stuff that just makes him instant win even if bro has low godly.

He sneaks to get into a facility in revengance and as soon as he gets in he drops the action and goes in guns blazing. Obviously he has sneaked before but that ignores the dozen times he hasn’t even tried. Hank is directly staring at him here while he’s out on the open. Why would he immediately go for a flash bang and run instead of just going in with his sword which he has done time after time after time. If he does literally anything but immediately flash bang and run he gets shot (ignoring how does he throw a flash bang and not get shot mid way though doing that)

 

[Keeweed]

Actually cutting straight to the case, raising a gun and pulling the trigger is way faster than pulling out a grenade and throwing it, how the heck would that not be a pure hinderance to raiden because he has no way to tell Hank’s bullets are so much faster than they are and can instantly kill him first hit to the brain or heart, which Hank absolutely aims for at all times especially against more resistant targets, like a cyborg.

 

[Chariot190]

The diagram does show the skin you can clearly see it.

Nope, it doesn't, it shows an outline in the drawing, that isn't skin.

it just doesn't point it out.

So it must not exist.

that diagram is related to their organs and it doesn't show any sensory organs.

Yes, newsflash, but even most anatomical diagrams irl don't?

it gets as straightforward as it gets.

No, it's you taking a simplified drawing, extrapolating it for agenda, and then ignore blatant contraidctions just because, all because it wasn't "drawn explicitly in hyper detail".

And even then, why would a research facility regarding recreating the anatomy and making said anatomy from the ground up have a simplified poster of their anatomy? That makes zero sense.

Idk dude why do I walk into a doctor's office and see anatomy posters that don't list and show every single facet of one's anatomy? Mayhaps because it isn't the focus? And is in fact impossible to do convey it all at once due to obstructions? Like you literally screwed over any argument you had with this, you've proven they have eyes even if they're not shown on that specific poster, so arguing that the meme poster doesn't show it so it must not exist, isn't going to fly here.

because even when where they "see" out of gets completely destroyed they are not hindered by it.

More self-sabotage, clearly has eyes, active indentations within the cranial anatomy, as in, eye sockets, as in, has eyes. You're objectively wrong for saying they do not.

And what do you mean "not hindered"? Just because one is skilled enough to box while deadass blind, doesn't mean they don't have eyes, hell Raiden can fight while blind too, does he not have eyes too?

characters don't get blinded by flashbangs even if they are hit by it.

Why try to pull a fast one? You just made yourself completely unreliable, I can't take a single word you say now without concrete non-debatable proof. Your controls were all messed up there, the character was actively disoriented, and this is conveyed by, what, inversed controls? All the same. Which is to say, no, they probably couldn't see actually, if they could, you wouldn't have messed up controls.
But yes thanks for proving that a flash bang far below Raiden's can actively mess with, daze, and disorient these characters, invalidating your entire argument thus far.

Looking into it further, in MC7.5, an A.T.P. Soldat throws a flashbang and it blinds Deimos, while Sanford avoids it by covering his eyes too.

So cool, flashbangs work, you proved it there despite your incessance it isn't, and it even happens in a anim.

the range doesn't matter if regardless his tac-bar covers point-blank light.

I am NOT explaining why dodging an omnidirectional flash that covers everything in a 30m AOE is not the the same as dodging a 10cm AOE flash, like yeah, it is point-blank, because that's as far as it goes too, the range is actually pathetic, it's worse than irl flash bangs by like 10x over. Like he literally can't dodge it, where's he dodging to? It's covering anywhere he could dodge, unless he just pisses off completely and runs away, but if he does, Raiden gets free stealth.

 

[Chariot190]

He sneaks to get into a facility in revengance and as soon as he gets in he drops the action and goes in guns blazing.

No, he doesn't, if you did that you're playing the game wrong, there's even extra dialogue for doing it via stealth only. And they acknowledge it as such. Also does it in R-07, and R-05, and portions of R-04, and even a bit in R-01. And R-03. In fact every mission has a stealth segment, with codec yap acknowledging it, and bonuses for doing it, only R-06 doesn't.

Like I don't wanna be this dude, but argue it further and you're going be name dropped and called out explicitly when the feat box drops ong.

Obviously he has sneaked before but that ignores the dozen times he hasn’t even tried.

Other way around dude, his default is stealth, always has, always will be, especially because that's what it's stated to be, what would that dozen be? Because there doesn't EXIST a total of 12 times he did what you described. The only time in MGS2 would be against the Tengu, which, yeah no shit he's raiding it with Snake, and in 4 they go into excessive detail how he's actually ultra stealth now, and even has some nice offscreen feats like escaping Area 51 with a crying toddler without being caught, or MGR where there's so much random statements about it and what's doing and you actively get penalized for not doing stealth at points, like Ninja Kill is a move for good reason dude.

Hank is directly staring at him here while he’s out on the open.

Which isn't good enough.

Why would he immediately go for a flash bang and run instead of just going in with his sword which he has done time after time after time.

Because you're conflating YOUR gameplay in MGR with the actual canon character lore?
He would do that because we're told that's what he would do, we're told that's how he fights, and we're told he actively disengages and opts for stealth and never fights head-on should he not have to? You'd be actively surprised how oddly specific some lines get.

So the better question, is why do YOU think he wouldn't?

If he does literally anything but immediately flash bang and run he gets shot (ignoring how does he throw a flash bang and not get shot mid way though doing that)

Uh, chat, ya know Raiden can move, dodge, and defect even while simultaneously using a flashbang? Are we forgetting the dude has multiple limbs? Also why would being shot do anything? He can explicitly survive anything bar total brain destruction, even in his bad old body he could survive having his torso blown out and his guts spilt all over, and continue to fight, no, I'm not talking about stab wounds either.
He also doesn't feel pain so like that won't stop him.

 

[Keeweed]

Didn’t know about the codex part, but I was referring to the boss fights, there isn’t a single time the game tells you to do stealth there and even in the stealth sections it doesn’t instantly mean throw a flash.
In game he throws grenades like this 9:20 not speedy or mobile at all. Even assuming that’s pure gameplay, the entire point is that Hank’s guns are cartoonishly faster than him and thus faster than raiden because he’s the faster character. Meaning while raiden is using a limb to throw a grenade rather than block, he’ll get shot and promptly be shredded because he’s five times weaker to guns the shred people on Hank’s level.
Everything hinges on raiden easily parrying and dodging the bullets effortlessly, but that ignores the bullets here running circles around him speed wise

 

[Keeweed]

Also even assuming he instantly goes do the flash the half second the match begins, somehow dodges every bullet despite being way slower, throws the flash, have it not get shot, have his hand not get shot, or just not get shot in general, then have it hit hank instead of him moving out of the way when he scales specifically to dodging light, then manages to sneak away and instantly kills with a perfect smooth take down and everything works flawlessly.

Hank can resurrect which Raiden doesn’t know about so Hank just promptly spawns and shoots him in the back. Or if raiden just instantly gets to know that happens, still be back at square one but now with someone knowing about the flash grenade trick and having flash grenades of their own along with other aoe grenades and a shot gun which is way faster than raiden so how could he parry or dodge.

 

[Comiphorous]

Idk dude why do I walk into a doctor's office and see anatomy posters that don't list and show every single facet of one's anatomy? Mayhaps because it isn't the focus? And is in fact impossible to do convey it all at once due to obstructions? Like you literally screwed over any argument you had with this, you've proven they have eyes even if they're not shown on that specific poster, so arguing that the meme poster doesn't show it so it must not exist, isn't going to fly here.

But the focus of that diagram is their organs so they can recreate it? How can you argue that they didn't list important organs in a poster about their organs because it wasn't the focus? and wdym meme poster it's literally just a regular poster showing their anatomy. there isn't a joke regarding it. the Project Nexus games take themselves seriously most of the time and is the only time where Madness Combat actually tells it's story and lore regarding Nevada.

More self-sabotage, clearly has eyes, active indentations within the cranial anatomy, as in, eye sockets, as in, has eyes. You're objectively wrong for saying they do not.

I don't know where you're seeing eyes in that clip because no eyes were shown there. They don't see through eye sockets, they see through eyeballs which they do not have. Just like how you don't hear out of your ears.

And what do you mean "not hindered"? Just because one is skilled enough to box while deadass blind, doesn't mean they don't have eyes, hell Raiden can fight while blind too, does he not have eyes too?

well he isn't blind. so i don't see the point in what you're saying.

Why try to pull a fast one? You just made yourself completely unreliable, I can't take a single word you say now without concrete non-debatable proof. Your controls were all messed up there, the character was actively disoriented, and this is conveyed by, what, inversed controls? All the same. Which is to say, no, they probably couldn't see actually, if they could, you wouldn't have messed up controls.
But yes thanks for proving that a flash bang far below Raiden's can actively mess with, daze, and disorient these characters, invalidating your entire argument thus far.

what? you're making baseless assumptions for really no reason. my controls aren't messed up there. The controls stay the same i don't know where you got that from. your grabbing at straws hoping that i left details out for some reason. I'm not sure why you're assuming i'm hiding any info.

the "dizziness" effect as it's called mechanically is an effect which lets characters use takedowns on someone to take out a corpus block. It's the same thing that's applied when a character wins the RNG spin to inflict the effect with their regular punches. So i mean i guess you can argue the flashbangs in Madness Combat are either comically weak or Hank's punches inflict the same disorientation as a Flashbang.

Looking into it further, in MC7.5, an A.T.P. Soldat throws a flashbang and it blinds Deimos, while Sanford avoids it by covering his eyes too.

Yeah because the series is over 20 years old, with 7.5 came out 13 years ago and predating the Project Nexus game. inconsistencies be a damned thing. even Krinkels is aware of the inconsistencies of the series, so you can take either the old content or the new content as better things to rely on. I'm personally basing it off the post-project nexus Madness content (2012ish forward) since it seems like that's more aligned with what Krinkels sees for the series.

 

[Chariot190]

Actually cutting straight to the case, raising a gun and pulling the trigger is way faster than pulling out a grenade and throwing it, how the heck would that not be a pure hinderance to raiden because he has no way to tell Hank’s bullets are so much faster than they are and can instantly kill him first hit to the brain or heart, which Hank absolutely aims for at all times especially against more resistant targets, like a cyborg.

Oh, that's easy, because he has the Dual-Solid Eye System that actively analyzes weaponry, it also analyzes enemy emotional state, aim, and more so he'd know exactly where he's aiming, and to react accordingly, even if it's simple aim dodging?
In 4, if MGR he straight up has detailed info analysis his body performs automatically telling him everything about one's loadout and their weaknesses. They mention it quite a few times actually, an example would be his body analyzing Sundowner's equipment and telling him where not to hi, and moreoever its weakpoints.
Also Raiden, has LITERALLY been stabbed in the heart before and laughed at it. He can take some brain injury as long as his brain stem stays intact too going by statements.

So you just self-sabotaged, aim for the heart, nothing happens, that just gives Raiden a free move, tbh you should know this because this example is even listed on the current profile, with the screenplay actively saying Vamp thrusted it into his heart, and then did it on the other side just to be safe in case his heart was mirrored like Fortune's, aim for the head? Best be a specific spot or it don't work.

No, pulling a grenade out and shooting a gun, are the exact same actually, technically speaking, Raiden's is quicker, because he doesn't need to actually throw. Hank needs to at the very least, raise his arm, aim, and shoot, Raiden, just has to press a tab on the flashbang (his don't use pins), and that's it, he doesn't need to throw it, Hank starts close enough to where the range covers it, and Raiden is basically immune to his own so like? There's an extra arm motion for Hank there if you really want to go down this quick draw route.

Didn’t know about the codex part, but I was referring to the boss fights, there isn’t a single time the game tells you to do stealth there and even in the stealth sections it doesn’t instantly mean throw a flash.

Bro, how is he gonna stealth them? They all have quantum sonars and multi km senses? Also the bosses encompass like, well actually we have a statement saying Raiden killed hundreds in MGR, WITHIN Mgr, so not even 1-2% of who he fought? Sam, Monsoon, Sundowner and Armstrong he all had a personal thing against, only real point you have would be Mistral, but... her senses wacky af, she could tell bro was stealthing her from kilometers away, in cutscene.
Also... Are we forgetting Raiden has stuff outside of MGR? Flashbangs don't WORK on cyborgs ffs, but the flash equivalent? The EMP grenades? Or RP Grenades? Actually, they do have yap about using them at points, and to even use them if you need to disengage.

In game he throws grenades like this 9:20 not speedy or mobile at all.

You know there's literally a quick throw option right where he instant underhands it and doesn't aim?
Precisely for fast paced combat options?
Please do not try to pull a gotcha if you haven't actually played the game, actually if you aren't 100% sure just don't argue it as fact.

Even assuming that’s pure gameplay,

Gameplay literally has both manual and quick throw for grenades. Like, you could take gameplay exclusively and you still wouldn't be right.

the entire point is that Hank’s guns are cartoonishly faster than him and thus faster than raiden because he’s the faster character.

This is gonna be meme af in a few days. But for argument's sake, what's stopping Raiden from, idk, analyzing his aim with on board AI and just aimdodging everything given he's fed this info automatically?

Meaning while raiden is using a limb to throw a grenade rather than block,

Both require arm motions, the fact Raiden doesn't have to actually throw it, is even better, and mind you his ass would know he doesn't need to.

he’ll get shot and promptly be shredded because he’s five times weaker to guns the shred people on Hank’s level.

That... Actually won't do anything? You could blow out his entire torso and it wouldn't kill or stop Raiden, because that canonically happened. I don't want to get into the fact his immortality and diffusion has let him tank hits from people like 50x higher than him either, I also don't want to get into the fact that Raiden is actually several one shots above the rating here, but ya know how it is.

Fyi Raiden has 5 revives that work on the atomic level that work automatically so no, Raiden is never being put down in one shot, he literally can't be. This is on the profile even too, this isn't even news.

Now if we wanna talk about news, tbh idk if I even wanna mention it here, some of this shit is memes af, it's gonna be funny. But as it stands, half your arguments are either just you conflating Raiden's actual established MO with mediocre gameplay, things that literally won't work like shooting his heart or whatever, or even just using manual aim gameplay instead of instant underhand (which is to say he doesn't even lift it, he tosses it as he's moving his arm, which is to say, the same motion that Hank performs to lift his arm to shoot, Raiden's equivalent motion already had the thing thrown), all while ignoring Raiden has stated super Is, automatic enemy analysis including weaponry, or a billion unconventional things that Hank can't actually do anything about but we'll get there once you get past a basic flashbang.

 

[Keeweed]

“Also Raiden, has LITERALLY been stabbed in the heart before and laughed at it. He can take some brain injury as long as his brain stem stays intact too going by statements.”
Neither of these are going to be around if he’s shot by Hank’s bullets. Hank’s guns cause heads comparable to his to split in half or straight explode. That brain and heart is going to be mush because it’s five times weaker.
“This is gonna be meme af in a few days. But for argument's sake, what's stopping Raiden from, idk, analyzing his aim with on board AI and just aimdodging everything given he's fed this info automatically?”
The fact he’s hilariously slower than the bullets so even if he knows where it’s going to be aimed he physically doesn’t have enough time to get out of the way. Like the pistol maybe but Hank has a shot gun and smg, the shot gun simply would have too big of an area to ever be able to move out of the way because raiden is way slower here he straight doesn’t have the time.
Raiden having his entire torso exploded would contract that he absolutely needs his heart to live.

 

[Keeweed]

Also where is the resurrection on raiden’s profile or any other profile, I am not finding it. You saying I am dumb for something not anywhere even close to being on his profile. Since it isn’t on the profile I can also mention he’s nearly been killed many many times which doesn’t make sense if he has five retries.

 

[Chariot190]

But the focus of that diagram is their organs so they can recreate it?

Then I guess they did a poor job given they forget the muscles and other such things we know they have

How can you argue that they didn't list important organs in a poster about their organs because it wasn't the focus?

Idk why doesn't it show other things we know they have but aren't listed there?

and wdym meme poster it's literally just a regular poster showing their anatomy. there isn't a joke regarding it. the Project Nexus games take themselves seriously most of the time and is the only time where Madness Combat actually tells it's story and lore regarding Nevada.

I'm saying you using it as an argument, is a meme.
It doesn't say what you claim it does, it doesn't even show what you say it does, you're taking a simplified poster and using that to argue "oh actually they lack a bunch of things just because, even though we actually know they have some of said things, but for argument's sake, they lack these specific things".

This isn't an argument.

I don't know where you're seeing eyes in that clip because no eyes were shown there. They don't see through eye sockets, they see through eyeballs which they do not have.

When bro pushes down, it's already concaved? Like why does dude just have cranial indentations for the hell of it? Why is the dude even aiming there if nothing exists?

All because you, yes you, not anything actually stated in canon, says they don't have eyes?

Just like how you don't hear out of your ears.

And yet that's been your ENTIRE argument.

well he isn't blind. so i don't see the point in what you're saying.

My point is, prove it? Does he lack spatial awareness? Memory recall? Can he not just remember where everything was and use his other senses? I thought these dudes were skilled? Are they not skilled enough to fight while blind? If not then this isn't even a match, they get outskilled so bad it's not even funny.

what? you're making baseless assumptions for really no reason. my controls aren't messed up there. The controls stay the same i don't know where you got that from. your grabbing at straws hoping that i left details out for some reason. I'm not sure why you're assuming i

This isn't a baseless assumption. Ignoring the fact I actively looked into it. Which, is also why I know they've literally been effected by it, in animation.

How about stop being disingenuous?

the "dizziness" effect as it's called mechanically is an effect which lets characters use takedowns on someone to take out a corpus block. It's the same thing that's applied when a character wins the RNG spin to inflict the effect with their regular punches.

Ok, so, canonically confirmed to be them being dizzy, which means disoriented, due to light and sound.
As in, you're just wrong? Bright light and loud noise effects them. It disorients them. As in, flashbangs weaker than Raiden's, weaker than actual flashbangs even, do what they're supposed to just fine.
As in, your argument saying they're unaffected, is blatantly wrong?

Like my dude, a low budget newsground-esque game being simple in its execution doesn't change the fact they're effected, the fact they even call it what it is, and have it be a thing at all, is evidence enough.

So i mean i guess you can argue the flashbangs in Madness Combat are either comically weak or Hank's punches inflict the same disorientation as a Flashbang.

Or gameplay abstraction and yeah being punched in the head and being flash banged are both quite disorientating? What sort of argument is this?

And yes I am, they are comically weak, the flashbang doesn't even extend past like 1 meter? It's actually pathetic, me saying our actual flashbangs like 10 better wasn't a joke, standard issue flashbangs have an effective high-end range of 9m, 24m to be in a "safe zone".

Yeah because the series is over 20 years old, with 7.5 came out 13 years ago and predating the Project Nexus game.

And? If you don't like it, remove everything before the game. Not withstanding cutscenes and actual animations > gameplay, gameplay which confirms it works regardless. And bro talking like 13 years is much, that's what, 2012?

inconsistencies be a damned thing.

And why in the world should I take your headcanon that is actively contradicted on every front, over what actually happened?

even Krinkels is aware of the inconsistencies of the series, so you can take either the old content or the new content as better things to rely on.

How about we take what actually happened and not your conjecture?
They're equal. Your ENTIRE argument is based on a poster, that doesn't even confirm what you keep trying to say it does, while my argument is based on things that happened, multiple times even if you wanna be real.
This isn't inconsistency, it's you taking your headcanon over the actual media, and then calling said media the inconsistency and not your hyperbole.

I'm personally basing it off the post-project nexus Madness content (2012ish forward) since it seems like that's more aligned with what Krinkels sees for the series.

I don't care what you're personally doing? Technically speaking I should be telling you to go make a CRT and gets this added otherwise lol, but, fair's fair so ya know what, if ya can prove it 100%, I'll take it.
The only evidence you have is a scan saying they have eyes at the same time, and a simplified anatomy poster... To draw actual asinine conclusions. Just to say flash bangs don't work.

Meanwhile, we have actual canon examples of flash bangs working on them. Flashbangs being a weapon that makes them dizzy and disoriented in recent stuff. The fact flashbangs even EXIST in this verse.

So no, how about this, post an actual statement saying they hard lack these things, and that because they lack these things, they're immune, despite the fact that even if they did (which they dont), sensory overload is still a thing and the fact they can hear/see would still render them vulnerable, which they are, because as said, actual flashbangs effect them, laughably weak flashbangs at that.

 

[Chariot190]

“Also Raiden, has LITERALLY been stabbed in the heart before and laughed at it. He can take some brain injury as long as his brain stem stays intact too going by statements.”
Neither of these are going to be around if he’s shot by Hank’s bullets. Hank’s guns cause heads comparable to his to split in half or straight explode.

Not enough, Raiden can survive having his entire torso blown out just fine. The fact he has nanite scale automatic healing caches, that regenerates both artificial flesh and muscle, is good enough to at least take a hit.

That brain and heart is going to be mush because it’s five times weaker.

Less, actually, even ignoring the fact his stats are just wrong here and he's like 7-C, his 8-A feat was done with one hand, crippled, and already massively weakened. Raiden, additionally, has amps here, even if their brief.

“This is gonna be meme af in a few days. But for argument's sake, what's stopping Raiden from, idk, analyzing his aim with on board AI and just aimdodging everything given he's fed this info automatically?”
The fact he’s hilariously slower than the bullets so even if he knows where it’s going to be aimed he physically doesn’t have enough time to get out of the way.

Yes he does? Do you not know what aim dodging is? He dodges as Hank takes aim, he dodges before they're even fired. He doesn't need to dodge the bullets, he just needs to dodge Hank's trajectory. Which given his infoanal, super computers, and more, should be easy to do given Hank doesn't resist analytical prediction. Which is to say... Idk if Hank can even hit Raiden regardless of speed, everything he does, will be known beforehand.

Like the pistol maybe but Hank has a shot gun and smg, the shot gun simply would have too big of an area to ever be able to move out of the way because raiden is way slower here he straight doesn’t have the time.

Dude, 10 meters starting distance, Raiden knows where he's going to aim, before he even lifts the gun to take fire. Hank doesn't resist info analysis, while Raiden has that shit in spades.

So being slower? Well kind of unfortunate Raiden is equalized to the dude he needs to react and dodge to, to avoid said gunfire.

Raiden having his entire torso exploded would contract that he absolutely needs his heart to live.

You're... What?
no like actually stop, you're straight up wrong. This isn't even guesswork, it's flatout stated his heart was skewered.
And he had his entire torso blown out, because that happened?

In fact, right now, show me, where this alleged "absolutely needs his heart to live." is said? I want it, show me this scan.
Because I know damn well it doesn't exist, and moreover, the funny thing is, him needing his heart to live would be contradicted by the fact he's lost it like three times, and is stated like 5 times he doesn't need it.

Also where is the resurrection on raiden’s profile or any other profile, I am not finding it. You saying I am dumb for something not anywhere even close to being on his profile.

Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't call you dumb, I don't need you spreading bullshit like that.
Also the repair nanopaste which is in fact listed on profile?

Since it isn’t on the profile I can also mention he’s nearly been killed many many times which doesn’t make sense if he has five retries.

No you can't because he's never been killed "many many" times, wtf?
In MGR, actually in MGR after getting custom body he's never been almost killed. Closest is the start of the game against Sam.
And in MGS2... isn't cyborg Raiden so who gives a shit?
And in MGS4... He survived having his heart skewered, 29 impalements, gutted, having his body ****** up so badly that they put a torniquet on him so his guts didn't spill out according to the screenplay, not because he couldn't survive it mind you but because it was just messy, etc.
The only thing actually lethal to him in MGS4 was autotoxemia, which they later establish as due to being a brain poisoning thing over time (and he dealt with it or days so like?).

So, again, the fact you're no longer arguing about the grenades I'll take as a concession, but turning around and arguing things that are even less true like, idk, things that actually happened on screen like heart destruction, is pushing it.

 

[Keeweed]

“Dude, 10 meters starting distance, Raiden knows where he's going to aim, before he even lifts the gun to take fire. Hank doesn't resist info analysis, while Raiden has that shit in spades.”
Most people know where a guy with a gun is aiming, at them. The same issue arises for raiden trying to avoid a bullet like an average person avoiding a bullet, he straight doesn’t have the time to move his mass out of the way.

He absolutely has almost been killed. Sam was going to kill him by stabbing him before he was saved and Armstrong was going to beat him to death before he got the new sword to fight back. Vamp also stabbed him with a knife and raiden talked about how he doesn’t fear death which doesn’t make sense if he’s immortal enough to live without the organs all other cyborgs need and resurrect five times. The profile states he has high low regeneration, no resurrection, and is near baseline 8-A. So until that is all changed, the bullets that explode 600 ton heads will explode his head, and he needs his head to live. If that is a failure of the profile you got to change that. I like raiden so it’ll be cool to see him upgraded but I genuinely don’t see the immortality and resurrection ones when cyborgs are specifically shown to need the heart to function and he’s specifically nearly been murdered three times.

 

[Keeweed]

Hank specifically knew where a guy was aiming a gun at him. Also has instinctive dodges to these bullets, and still got shot because the bullets where too fast for him to fully deflect. How does raiden fair better, especially if Hank uses a shot gun and shreds the complete general vicinity of raiden.

 

[Keeweed]

I have to go to bed since I will be driving out of state tomorrow. Just I’m voting Hank until raiden gets his profile updated. His regeneration is not rated high enough to fix his heart (low mid) or his head (mid) yet along with that not being his listed immortality type 2 level. These are arguments against the profile, not me, I look forward to whatever crt you have planned but you gotta make it first.

 

[Chariot190]

Most people know where a guy with a gun is aiming, at them. The same issue arises for raiden trying to avoid a bullet like an avoiding person avoiding a bullet, he straight doesn’t have the time to move his mass out of the way.

Yes he does? Quite literally? And so would a normal person too if they were aimdodging? Kind of what that term entails?
Say Hank needs to move his arm in a 90 degree motion, that creates a cord length of what? 2m meters? If Raiden is equal in speed to him, he can easily cover 2 meters.

The worst part is, if Raiden knows and analyzes the trajectory accordingly, he doesn't even need to move, he can just use his unbreakable HF Blade with funny quantum hax to block the bullets by positioning it accordingly, while he just flashbangs with the other hand, or he can move to create a gap, while doing both, or etc.

Like surely you're not going to say the at minimum 7-B Durability sword that can easily deflect any bullet, against the dude who will know the exact path those bullets will take before Hank even lifts his hand, while starting 10m apart, can't, ya know, do something about it?

He absolutely almost killed.

You said dozen. I want a dozen examples. Not one case, and then that's actually it.

Sam was going to kill him by stabbing him

That's actually straight up wrong, it's revealed in CODEC Sam didn't intend to kill him and Raiden even questions why he didn't like thrice. Mind you Sam is a 7-B dude who's like 100x faster than he is with everything he has but better who also outskilled at the time, equipped with Radar too, he and Hank are not comparable examples.

Also, yeah no shit he didn't have nanopaste there? He has his equipment in this match though so tough luck.

before he was saved and Armstrong was going to beat him to death before he got the new sword to fight back.

No, he wasn't, actually. Raiden LITERALLY took the beating, hell it's on his profile for pain tolerance right now.
Armstrong wanted him to join him actually, and Raiden was still functional after that, if worse case scenario happened, he actually would have disengaged and fled to recoup. Something he could have done because they lowkey mention that as a option.

Vamp also stabbed him with a knife and raiden talked about how he doesn’t fear death which doesn’t make sense if he’s immortal enough to live without the organs all other cyborgs need and resurrect five times.

There's NO WAY you're using the scene where Vamp explicitly stabs him in the heart, as stated in the screen play, stops, pulls the blade out, stabs him in the other side JUST to make sure he got the heart because as the screenplay points out, he thought of Fortune and how her heart was mirrored, noticed Raiden did not die, and then went "ayo wtf, are you immortal too?".

And now you're just being deliberately coy, you know why I said he had the revives, so why are you yapping about a key before he got nanopaste? Using an example that gives him type 2 immortality no less? You're backwards on every single possible front here.

The profile states he has high low regeneration, no resurrection, and is near baseline 8-A.

He has regeneration, that activates automatically, should he take injury. This regen can heal his organs, flesh, and chassis. It doesn't work on his brain, so it gets capped. But it works on the shell around it and everything else, because his body, is literally just a chassis. That's me being generous to you btw, Dok has a line that implies Raiden has better regen than Vamp but I'm still a bit iffy on that myself so eh.

He is not near 8-A baseline, you know he isn't, why be disingenuous?
His 8-A feat was done with one arm, while poisoned, after being stabbed like 30 times, and he did it instantly anyway AND it didn't even hurt him. It was after like 30 seconds of it as it picked up power, did it overpower him and is actually like 6x higher anyway, I managed to rip the model of OH and get the actual volume for it, shit is heavy af, prob post that tomorrow, meanwhile the screen play notes that his chassis was strong enough to endure it through raw power, so much so, that the thing doing the feat in question started to break first (hence the hull cave-in). This is kind of why the profile even lists him as "at least", because he ISN'T equal to the feat you're saying he is, he's so far above it it's asinine.

Now, this Raiden, can instant kill pulp cyborgs, who, in turn, can instant kill pulp, the body that did the feat. The Raiden that did the feat is straight up stated to be obsolete and dogwater. And, this Raiden has varying amps anyhow. If we want to factor in HF upgrades, it'd be 3x over it anyway, given we're using all equipment, I'm liable to say that's the minimum anyhow.

So until that is all changed, the bullets that explode 600 ton heads will explode his head, and he needs his head to live.

Or ya know, aimdodge. Flashbang which is, in fact, quicker, or hey what if Hank doesn't even aim for the head, you said yourself he might do chest, so 50/50 right off the bat. Then you got to take into account Raiden has a 7-B dura beatstick he can use as protection with super AI sensors to tell him where every bullet will go, where to dodge, and can react before Hank even fires.

If that is a failure of the profile you got to change that.

There's no way you just said that to me.

I like raiden so it’ll be cool to see him upgraded but I genuinely don’t see the immortality and resurrection ones when cyborgs are specifically shown to need the heart to function

Right now, show the scan, why didn't you? You said that last time, you were asked to show the scan, yet you didn't comply? Where's the scan saying cyborgs need their heart to function, I'm not even asking for it at this point, I'm straight up telling you to post it or drop it entirely.

Also, bro has type 2 immortality already.

and he’s specifically nearly been murdered three times.

Three times, so... Not a dozen? So, hyperbolic, I'd appreciate it if you didn't grossly exaggerate. I'd further appreciate it if you stopped making claims without checking the lore first, because only one of your examples has any merit, which is an example I mentioned myself, and it's BEFORE he had the nanopaste to begin with, which is tantamount to saying something ludicrous like Link was almost killed by ganon, so he can't have regen neg with the Master Sword, while ignoring he didn't have the MS at the time for it to even be part of the conversation. Couple that with how your arguments are now just boiling down to saying nuh uh, because of things never once actually said or shown (need hearts, contradictory to the concrete examples saying otherwise), add onto that you legit just saying "nope infoanal won't work", even though Hank doesn't have res, and even though they start far enough away, for Raiden to easily be able to aimdodge basically everything while simultaneously dropping a stun, RP grenade, or hell even EMP grenade given those have a wacky statement cooked in, ignoring one of the basic features of MGR which you led me to believe you played it so there's no way you don't know it's a thing, and we're not even getting into things like how Raiden could legit just flick his wrist and bisect dude and everything between him and Hank, projectiles include, using something like quick draw which generates a massive EMF around him, which, of course, has the funny quantum hax.

I have to go to bed since I will be driving out of state tomorrow. Just I’m voting Hank until raiden gets his profile updated. His regeneration is not rated high enough to fix his heart (low mid) or his head (mid) yet along with that not being his listed immortality type 2 level. These are arguments against the profile, not me, I look forward to whatever crt you have planned but you gotta make it first.

Dude, the very feat it happens in, is listed on the profile. Just because that isn't used as the primary justification doesn't mean it isn't accepted, the Vamp example, for example, is listed under pain tolerance while his type 2 uses a different example, I'd assume not to be redundant, with the limbs (which is baffling, why not use the fact he had a brace in the hallway scene because he lost all his organs? It's literally the same injury ffs).
You're just being disingenuous here, you know it happened, yet because the profile, not even outdated in this context mind you, it's just not hyper redundant and lists different feats for varying things so every example isnt just "yo this happened" for five different things.

Even worse, it doesn't need to regen his heart? He just doesn't care if it's destroyed? You could rip his heart clean out of his chest, and he'd just spit on you, it's basically a flesh wound for him, which would probably get him aroused given he explicitly gets off on that type of stuff but you know how it be.

But if we want to go that route were we just pretend, I'll do you one better with things actively not accepted on your end or even implicated, I want to see Hank with immunity to sound manip, light manip, resistance to infoanalysis, and ya know what, "Relativistic (Comparable to Nexus-Soldats, who can move simultaneously with concentrated photon lasers. Can keep up with a casual Tricky)"
I don't actually see a "higher with weapons" anywhere on profile, it's not even mentioned in the weapon section, so your entire argument falls flat until you get that added.

 

[Employe]

How did the discussion between two badass cyber killers slowly shift into a heated debate on the tangent of Nevadean anatomical structure

Anyway, I feel like stuff like this should receive own separated CRT in the case you really want to push this idea and have firm evidence to back up it, and this should affect almost everyone in the verse and not just Hank, since this not mentioned on the profiles at all

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with Chariot FRA.

 

[Keeweed]

“Three times, so... Not a dozen?”
He’s absolutely been nearly killed more than the three listed time, the three times are just the most obvious.
Also Raiden specifically doesn’t agree with Vamp’s observation of him being immortal, he says “he doesn’t fear death” meaning if vamp kept doing that it would lead to his death.
For bullet speeds like this we don’t list it as higher like this on the profiles. The bullets got be higher into the tier mathematically. In speed equalization rules the bullets just getting to be relatively faster stay relatively faster. The example brought up in the rule creation was Mai from KoF throwing her fan and how her combo won’t work if her fans didn’t get to be faster. She isn’t listed as higher with fans either but she’s literally one of the examples during the creation of the rule.

 

[Chariot190]

“Three times, so... Not a dozen?”
He’s absolutely been nearly killed more than the three listed time, the three times are just the most obvious.

Ok, list 4 times in MGR. If you can't, drop it.
I'm not doing this with you. You're straight up wrong in your examples anyway, Armstrong never almost killed him, it's even listed on profile he survived his beatdown, and Raiden could have pissed off whenever he wanted if Wolf didn't show up, and that's ignoring how Armstrong wanted him to join regardless.
The Sam example is fair, but I would pray that someone 100x stronger, 100x faster, with more skill, better tech, and holds the advantage in every category would stomp the shit out of Raiden (which is funny too because it's directly stated and confirmed that despite being at such a ludicrous disadvantage, that brief bout of getting his ass kicked, let Raiden analyze Sam's fighting style and thought process and learned exactly how he fought and how to counter it).
And then what, the microwavehallway where Raiden deliberately uses himself as a decoy for Snake, and fights off dozens of supersoldiers, while missing his limbs, guts, and is actively stated to be so screwed up that he's bleeding internally and massively weakened? Like yeah he did almost die there, he also wouldn't ever be in that type of situation normally because he wouldn't be actively using himself as bait to stall for someone else?

So come on, tell me a dozen times in MGR given that's your claim, where he was almost killed, you just doubled down on it even, you even just shot down your out by saying nope he 100% did almost die a bunch instead of just going "oh yep i was being hyperbolic my b", so I would appreciate citations to your claims.

Also Raiden specifically doesn’t agree with Vamp’s observation of him being immortal, he says “he doesn’t fear death” meaning if vamp kept doing that it would lead to his death.

No offense but stop being deliberately obnoxious.
Raiden has type 2 immortality, don't like it? Go get it removed.
Like yeah he isn't immortal, in the sense he can still die, he's also stated to be able to survive practically any type of injury, has had his organs gouged out, and literally mutilated in things that are flatout stated to be able to kill normal people instantly.

Why are you like this? This isn't even something you can argue because he LITERALLY has immortality listed so being semantical about the degree of immortality is asinine, he has it, you know he has it, the scenes are even linked on profile with it being described directly, so you can't even argue we don't accept it because I'm straight up looking at on profile.

For bullet speeds like this we don’t list it as higher like this on the profiles.

Uh, yes we do, we literally have hundreds of profiles on wiki with weapon speeds BECAUSE they're faster, goddamn weapon speeds is one of the ACTUAL examples listed for speed differentiation on our speed pages even, so until you get it added, tough luck, not an argument.

The bullets got be higher into the tier mathematically.

No they don't, they're as fast as whatever they are, you NEVER assume they're faster by default?
Actually ya now what, the default assumption would be they're equal to the irl counterparts without actual proof, not that it matters because it's not on profile, but you're not even right on that front.
Arguing things that aren't even listed, anywhere, not even implied, not even linked at that? Well, if you want to stick to the profiles, you're getting exactly that now. Unless I see "higher with weapons", this not only isn't an argument, but they cap at like mach 1-2 at best based on our default standards until you make a CRT.

In speed equalization rules the bullets just getting to be relatively faster stay relatively faster.

Yeah, they would, if, they were actually listed with a higher rating comparatively, sucks that they're not listed as being any higher though, so at best you can argue they're equal to his general speed, at worst you can't even argue that because they lack a rating and if a rating isn't specified we default to the irl equivalent everytime, for everything btw, even movement speed now.
So you don't get to the pull that card. If you want to use speed ratings not currently listed, how about the like 5 FTL Raiden feats, several of which have been accepted and looked over by CGMs fyi. So... You want to use non-accepted speed ratings, it wouldn't matter anyway because in actuality Raiden is the faster character, but I figured we may as well use the profiles right within reason yeah? Thus I haven't been arguing on that front.

The example brought up in the rule creation was Mai from KoF throwing her fan and how her combo won’t work if her fans didn’t get to be faster.

I legitimately do not care. If it isn't on the profile, you don't get use it, you said it, not me, so that's how we're going to do this now.

She isn’t listed as higher with fans either but she’s literally one of the examples during the creation of the rule.

And I quote
"If that is a failure of the profile you got to change that."
You go change that first, otherwise you don't get to argue it. Don't be a hypocrite, follow your own standards.

And were the hell is the statement about cyborgs needing hearts, you said it a bunch and even tripled down on it, so I want that statement or scan, and then when asked to prove it, you refuse to, if you can't cite a single thing, do NOT say it. Like I can tell you right now I can prove everything I've said, got the scans on hand too, hell here's the heart stab, stated in screenplay, even explains that Vamp did that second stab just to make sure he got it in case he was like Fortune.


Which, is just describing a feat accepted on profile, where Vamp uh, stabs him in the chest twice with a giant knife and Raiden chuckles at him? Really, you don't need to be told it happened, you can see it happen, the fact they elaborate anyway is nice tho.
Anything else you'd like to say?

 

[McFriesGuy075]

...And the GOAT strikes once again. Raiden FRA.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hank is good, he is NOT Raiden-rated good.

2x speed amp plus stealthfucking plus dura neg weapon plus at minimum comparable skill... yeah. Raiden FRA.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Speed amp cannot be used since Hunk is naturally faster

 

[DaReaperMan]

Speed amp cannot be used since Hunk is naturally faster

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles. ~ Versus Thread Rules

Amps absolutely can happen, the match just can't be added, not some pseudo restriction. So yes, the amp is usable here, claiming otherwise is the height of ignoring the rules.

 

[Pyro9278]

We just have to wait until MFTL Raiden appears

 

[Chariot190]

Literally won't even matter in like, well idk if I can find some of these ******* MGS4 clips, a few hours? Like I ******* ong can't find some of the QTEs it's starting to piss me off, tell those mfs over at Konami to free MGS4...
Like did you know the GEKKO in the Fox hallway can destroy said hallway with a headbutt? That's a pretty damn good feat ngl, or how Snake can knock Crying Wolf on her ass? Bet you didn't because that game is literally stuck in the gaming equivalent of ******* jail and it's making overhauling MGS nigh-impossible.
Raiden's ass is going up to like 30 or 50c tho. Dude has a shit ton of FTL feats in MGR 4 of which were discovered by accident recently, but hey they're the most blatant shit imaginable so that's nice.

So if it's such an issue, well, it won't be so whatever, I wouldn't get caught up over it for something that won't matter soon. Not that it actually matters, he doesn't need speed amps to tap him once with an EMF field.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Massively FTL+ Raiden AND Relativistic Snake later

 

[Huesito88]

Literally won't even matter in like, well idk if I can find some of these ******* MGS4 clips, a few hours? Like I ******* ong can't find some of the QTEs it's starting to piss me off, tell those mfs over at Konami to free MGS4...

What will you do Chariot if they decide to copyright strike all of MGS4 in YouTube?

 

[Chariot190]

Massively FTL+ Raiden AND Relativistic Snake later

Ok well that second one ain't happening chat, 1 legit feat in a MSX game don't outweigh the cutscene contradictions I fear like Fox being blitzed by the electron beam.
MFTL+ is possible for Raiden tho, we just literally can't record the feat atm because it would take to long for now, but I mathed it out at least, best we can do is MFTL on stuff we can actually cite on profile for the time being, with a few supporting FTL feats including literally dodging light, not by scaling btw, like Raiden himself can do that, we got a bunch of clips recorded of it from diff angles and even with free cam, finding that shit was kind of hype af.

 

[Chariot190]

What will you do Chariot if they decide to copyright strike all of MGS4 in YouTube?

 

[Employe]

Hank is good, he is NOT Raiden-rated good.

2x speed amp plus stealthfucking plus dura neg weapon plus at minimum comparable skill... yeah. Raiden FRA.

Made me to realize how poor are abilities, powers and hell even arsenals for main protagonists of Madness franchise (Minus Christoff and Arena Protagonist)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Amps absolutely can happen, the match just can't be added, not some pseudo restriction. So yes, the amp is usable here, claiming otherwise is the height of ignoring the rules.

"Cannot be used" in the sense that it cannot be added otherwise bruh

 

[DaReaperMan]

"Cannot be used" in the sense that it cannot be added otherwise bruh

Allow me to play a song on the world's smallest violin that Hank J. Wimbleton vs Metal Gear Raiden cannot be added to the profiles, jeez...

 

[Pyro9278]

Allow me to play a song on the world's smallest violin that Hank J. Wimbleton vs Metal Gear Raiden cannot be added to the profiles, jeez...