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— Main Problems.
• Context that got manipulated.
Based on this calculation [1], Arata with the Breakdown Phenomenon ability is categorized as having "MFTL Speed" because he can corrupt and create black suns in a fairly short time. The crux of the problem in particular, is that it's classified as a Range rather than a Statistics Speed which can be adapted to roughly character speed. And that's sounds so wrong.
The incident happened here [ 2 ]. The characters describe an event that corrupts the sun to black due to the Breakdown Phenomenon. Breakdown Phenomenon is explained as powerful magic goes out of control on a large scale. The results of these events are massive destruction, people within the effective range disintegrating, being pulled out of the world and becoming wraiths. The only way to resist this effect is to have sufficient magic, but this will only slow down the rate of disintegration rather than completely negating this action. The only way to stop it is with some form of powerful magic negation, or being cut off at the source with either the death of the mage who caused it, or their gaining control over the rampant power.
From this, we can conclude that the Breakdown Phenomenon is a hax based like corruption. And there is no correlation at all to speed. Because incidents occurred that were caused by Arata Kasuga's uncontrollable power, meaning he didn't react at all to those events.
[ 1 ] https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rendynoc0unter/Breakdown_Phenomenon_Speed
[ 2 ] https://imgur.io/a/rSmRoAb
• Claiming Black Sun as far as Real Sun.
As can be seen in the calculation above, precisely in the quote "This means that the black Sun of the Arata Breakdown Phenomenon is indeed as far away as the regular Sun." - It is a mistake and flawed evidence, because the evidence used to support that a black sun replaces a sun that actually does not exist (even the panels used to support it do not explain that way, it only shows another sun). Referring to the explanation from the Trinity Seven Wiki: "The Black Sun occurs when Arata Kasuga's magic goes out of control, causing a Breakdown Phenomenon. This causes a large black sun to form in the sky. It has a strong gravitational pull, and causes those with weaker magic to dissolve and get sucked up into it, almost like a black hole. It was only used once in the series."
Based on the explanation from the Trinity Seven wiki, and the evidence contained in [ 2 ] it can also be seen that the black sun was formed from particles corrupted and distorted by the Breakdown Phenomenon, so there is no guarantee it is as big as the real sun and also as far away as the original. Indicating this has nothing to do with the speed aspect of the character that covers such distance.
• Ignoring the fact it's a passive-hax.
Arata's Breakdown Phenomenon makes Black Sun unconscious so that it is more classified as passive hax, due to lack of good control of magic. This has absolutely nothing to do with Arata moving or anything like that, because the Breakdown Phenomenon is another aspect of magic. If we use common-sense, and at least accept "if the black sun is as far as the original sun" then it will only make the character have a passive-hax creation with a Stellar range, instead of categorizing it into a statistical aspect.
— Conclusion.
— Count Votes.
• Agree: @Fixxed @Rakih_Elyan @Rendynoc0unter @YueNoMoral @WanderingGecko @Dread
• Disagree:
• Context that got manipulated.
Based on this calculation [1], Arata with the Breakdown Phenomenon ability is categorized as having "MFTL Speed" because he can corrupt and create black suns in a fairly short time. The crux of the problem in particular, is that it's classified as a Range rather than a Statistics Speed which can be adapted to roughly character speed. And that's sounds so wrong.
The incident happened here [ 2 ]. The characters describe an event that corrupts the sun to black due to the Breakdown Phenomenon. Breakdown Phenomenon is explained as powerful magic goes out of control on a large scale. The results of these events are massive destruction, people within the effective range disintegrating, being pulled out of the world and becoming wraiths. The only way to resist this effect is to have sufficient magic, but this will only slow down the rate of disintegration rather than completely negating this action. The only way to stop it is with some form of powerful magic negation, or being cut off at the source with either the death of the mage who caused it, or their gaining control over the rampant power.
From this, we can conclude that the Breakdown Phenomenon is a hax based like corruption. And there is no correlation at all to speed. Because incidents occurred that were caused by Arata Kasuga's uncontrollable power, meaning he didn't react at all to those events.
[ 1 ] https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rendynoc0unter/Breakdown_Phenomenon_Speed
[ 2 ] https://imgur.io/a/rSmRoAb
• Claiming Black Sun as far as Real Sun.
As can be seen in the calculation above, precisely in the quote "This means that the black Sun of the Arata Breakdown Phenomenon is indeed as far away as the regular Sun." - It is a mistake and flawed evidence, because the evidence used to support that a black sun replaces a sun that actually does not exist (even the panels used to support it do not explain that way, it only shows another sun). Referring to the explanation from the Trinity Seven Wiki: "The Black Sun occurs when Arata Kasuga's magic goes out of control, causing a Breakdown Phenomenon. This causes a large black sun to form in the sky. It has a strong gravitational pull, and causes those with weaker magic to dissolve and get sucked up into it, almost like a black hole. It was only used once in the series."
Based on the explanation from the Trinity Seven wiki, and the evidence contained in [ 2 ] it can also be seen that the black sun was formed from particles corrupted and distorted by the Breakdown Phenomenon, so there is no guarantee it is as big as the real sun and also as far away as the original. Indicating this has nothing to do with the speed aspect of the character that covers such distance.
• Ignoring the fact it's a passive-hax.
Arata's Breakdown Phenomenon makes Black Sun unconscious so that it is more classified as passive hax, due to lack of good control of magic. This has absolutely nothing to do with Arata moving or anything like that, because the Breakdown Phenomenon is another aspect of magic. If we use common-sense, and at least accept "if the black sun is as far as the original sun" then it will only make the character have a passive-hax creation with a Stellar range, instead of categorizing it into a statistical aspect.
— Conclusion.
1. Black Sun's feat wasn't a form of feats that could be calculated because it belonged to abilities categories and down to range.
2. There is no guarantee that it is as far from the real sun, and the calculations ignore many important aspects to support the claim.
3. MFTL Arata should be removed.
— Count Votes.
• Agree: @Fixxed @Rakih_Elyan @Rendynoc0unter @YueNoMoral @WanderingGecko @Dread
• Disagree:
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