Mewtwo vs Necrozma

[Arceus0x]

Battle for the strongest non tier 2 pokemon
Mega Mewtwo Y vs Ultra Necrozma


speed unequalized cause no point
bloodlusted

both at 3-C

Mewtwo: 1
Necrozma:

FIGHT

 

[The_Pink_God]

So Mewtwo fought against and defeated a 50% Zygarde
50% is much weaker than Ultra Necrozma
So Mewtwo would actually be somewhat equal to Ultra Necrozma
The thing here then would fall in Hax which Mewtwo has the clear advantage of
So I'll go with Mewtwo

 

[Arceus0x]

Wrong
MM didn't defeat the zygarde though it survived multiple point blank hits from it in a weakend state and it didn't even get knocked out properly
so
MMY=<50%Z

 

[The_Pink_God]

Hmm
So Mewtwo would be lower in AP
Would it be enough to one-shot? Idk maybe

 

[Arceus0x]

one shot is 7.5 difference and the difference here is below 3x but above 2x

 

[The_Pink_God]

Hmmm
I'll still have my vote on Mewtwo cuz his hax are really OP

 

[Arceus0x]

ok i guess, what hax in particular?

 

[The_Pink_God]

Power Mimicry, BFR, Mind Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, etc

 

[Arceus0x]

Mewtwo has no CM and Necrozma resists Mind manipulation to an extent. BFR is useless due to dimensional travel.

If i had to find wincons then petrification maybe, power mimickry, power null, barriers, stat swap and he could use miracle eye

 

[The_Pink_God]

"Causality Manipulation (A secondary effect of Miracle eye in Pokkén “resets” the last move Mewtwo did without Mewtwo doing anything)" ~ Mewtwo profile

 

[The_Pink_God]

Mewtwo also has this
Passive Self-Resurrection (Brought himself back to life through self-regeneration after being terminated by the scientists)

 

[The_Pink_God]

Necrozma resists Mind manipulation to an extent

Resistance Negation (Miracle Eye negates immunity to Psychic moves. Some versions of Mewtwo's Swift bypasses resistances, skills, and/or abilities, passive or otherwise. His special Poké Balls bypass the fact that Trainer Pokémon can only be caught by one Poké Ball)

 

[Arceus0x]

ah right, he does have casuality manip.
And yes he does have miracle eye for resistance neg but it is not something hed do instantly in a bloodlusted state

 

[The_Pink_God]

Fair enough ig

 

[The_Pink_God]

Count my vote btw

 

[Arceus0x]

youre gonna need to change it up a little cause im removing bloodlust as otherwise Mewtwo might just instahax necrozma

 

[The_Pink_God]

Hmmmm

 

[The_Pink_God]

Can Necrozma bypass Passive Self-Resurrection?

 

[Arceus0x]

nah, he needs to kill mewtwo first

 

[Arceus0x]

he can incap doe

 

[The_Pink_God]

Hmmm

 

[The_Pink_God]

Reactive Power Level would be a problem from Necrozma
Btw what are Necrzma Wincons?

 

[Arceus0x]

Mewtwo
-hax (mind manip, soul manip and such)
-superior intelligence
-super effective attacks
-power null
-resistence negation


Necrozma
-superior AP
-spatial manip
-reality warping
-res negation

 

[The_Pink_God]

Mewtwo wincons would also include things like Petrification, the Miracle Eye, Reactive Power Level (Would not make him win per se but would be a pain in the ass for Necrozma), Causality Manipulation, Attack Reflection, and some others
I would say Mewtwo would outsmart Necrozma and find a way around to beat him

 

[Arceus0x]

necrozma resists reflection and the stuff above besides reactive power level is in the hax

 

[Arceus0x]

ill count your vote

 

[JJSliderman]

Feel like Necrozma wins pretty easily, he stomped 50% Zygarde who stomped Mega Mewtwo.

 

[Arceus0x]

this is a composite mewtwo vs composite necrozma as that is how profiles work. 50% didn't stomp, mewtwo tanked at least three full power hits (a crunch and 2+ dragon pulses) from him and didn't even get knocked out, not to mentioned it was a weakened mewtwo. Neither did necrozma stomp zygarde, he actually held out for a bit before transforming. Not to mention that the moves are not limited by 4 and mewtwo isn't controlled by a trainer, only by its own intelligence.
Basically your logic is flawed

 

[JJSliderman]

Mewtwo couldn't even deal damage to Zygarde at all from what we see. Frankly I'm kinda surprised Mewtwo is allowed to have this rating when Doflamingo gets downgraded for basically the same reason.

Mewtwo didn't even tank any hits really, when it actually got hit it crumpled.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Wasn't that an Amped 50% Zygarde who folded Mewtwo?

 

[The_Pink_God]

Wasn't that an Amped 50% Zygarde who folded Mewtwo?

One that absorbed Xerneas and Yvetal is my memory doesn't fail me

 

[Arceus0x]

Mewtwo couldn't even deal damage to Zygarde at all from what we see. Frankly I'm kinda surprised Mewtwo is allowed to have this rating when Doflamingo gets downgraded for basically the same reason.

Mewtwo didn't even tank any hits really, when it actually got hit it crumpled.

Bruh people have been over this 10 times already. Did you miss the part where mewtwo was weakened and not in his strongest mega evolution at that time? The battle was short due to that not to mention that OF COURSE a psychic energy spoon would crumble under a full power DARK TYPE move which is super effective WHILE THE ONE WHO MADE IT IS WEAKENED.
Mewtwo can harm those who can harm him and block attacks of that level and MMY has enough dura to tank 2 full power Dragon pulses back to back and a crunch.

Not to mention that this is almost irrelevant as hax is where its at.

 

[Arceus0x]

also idk about the one piece downgrades man but i know that they never last for long and the difference between the tiers was 1000 or so which is still bad but mewtwo's difference between zygarde's ap and the 5-B tier he has because we cant scale him higher yet is like what, sextillions? septillions? higher? it wouldnt make sense for him to be lower.

 

[StrymULTRA]

50% Zygarde is beyond MM2

50% Zygarde needed the 100% form to defeat Ultra Necrozma.

So Ultra Necrozma > 50% Zygarde > MM2

 

[Arceus0x]

AP wise yes the difference between mewtwo and necrozma is above 2x (though below 3)
but even then mewtwo would be capable to tank at least a hit from necrozma, not to mention it actually has to hit it first

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

AP wise yes the difference between mewtwo and necrozma is above 2x (though below 3)
but even then mewtwo would be capable to tank at least a hit from necrozma, not to mention it actually has to hit it first

Well that's not gonna be much of an issue with Necrozma's Crazy Ass Range Advantage.

 

[JJSliderman]

From my perspective Necrozma just bullies Mewtwo physically and likely outspeeds, seems pretty clear-cut.

Also the amp thing was disproven in another CRT so Mewtwo was just folded by a basic 50% Zygarde.

 

[Arceus0x]

first, once again, a weakened mewtwo without access to his mmy form and fused with blaine

Range isn't the problem, the distance is SBA so 100 meters, both can reach each other. I am talking about Mewtwo's crazy ass teleportation and then precognition

 

[Arceus0x]

also AP can be solved via stat swap

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

When I said Range, I meant AoE.