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Methuselah's AP and Durability Upgrades
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DI-IWKB- never stated him as being made up of decillions of nights tho. Unless it was in the Japanese/original version does anyone have the scan for it?
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I agree with Warren's rating.
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Scan belongs to ALRFKerwin0831 said:
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Ok so Warren said that he will make a thread specifically about Reinhards tier and his scaling so dont change it with this thread.
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i haven't any problem with your AP Description
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but new calculation for durability: (counting 13.8 billion years x decillions)
13.8 billion years has 5037000000000 days/nights aka 5 trillion nights
5037000000000 x 1 decillion = 5.037×10^45
or x 2 decillions = 1.0074×10^46
1.535e32 x 5.037×10^45 = 7.731795×10^77 joules or 1.847943355E+68 tons aka 3-B Multi Galaxy level
based on PsychoWarper's numbers Meth durability was Multi Galaxy too
so i think one of these descriptions would be ok
Durability: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher
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Durability: At least Multi Solar System level, likely far higher
Multi Solar System one is without counting Big Bang thing
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Agree: 6 (Maxnumb231 Dysmity Gun Slave Unit Warren Valion PsychoWarper Nepuko)
Disagree: 0
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but new calculation for durability: (counting 13.8 billion years x decillions)
13.8 billion years has 5037000000000 days/nights aka 5 trillion nights
5037000000000 x 1 decillion = 5.037×10^45
or x 2 decillions = 1.0074×10^46
1.535e32 x 5.037×10^45 = 7.731795×10^77 joules or 1.847943355E+68 tons aka 3-B Multi Galaxy level
based on PsychoWarper's numbers Meth durability was Multi Galaxy too
so i think one of these descriptions would be ok
Durability: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher
or
Durability: At least Multi Solar System level, likely far higher
Multi Solar System one is without counting Big Bang thing
also
Agree: 6 (Maxnumb231 Dysmity Gun Slave Unit Warren Valion PsychoWarper Nepuko)
Disagree: 0
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30000 - 40000 Nayuta isn't 30000-40000 years
It's a really damn large number. Equal to 10^60. The age of the universe is approximately 8 Nayuta planck time. 30000-40000 Nayuta is likely how long Mercurius' reign was.
It's a really damn large number. Equal to 10^60. The age of the universe is approximately 8 Nayuta planck time. 30000-40000 Nayuta is likely how long Mercurius' reign was.
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Mercurius resets creation with his Law, Acta Est Fabula.Ricky365 said:How could the universe be 8 nayuta though? I see that the universe is 13-14 billion year old and as you say nayuta is 10^60. Also again if anyone can tell me when it was mentioned that Mercs resets are all the way to the Big Bang that would be great
The constant state of the world repeating itself endlessly is what gives birth to the sensation of Foreknowledge, which is what Reinhard hates and is Reinhard's goal to destroy.
Ergo, when Merc restarts the world, he brings it back to the Big Bang.
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It's 8 nayuta in /planck time/. Basically it's a very small unit of time. The universe is about 8 nayuta (8 times 10^60) measured in planck time for the sake of a neat number.
Mercurius had been sitting on a chair for 30000 - 40000 nayuta (don't know why it varies) because he repeated the universe.
Mercurius had been sitting on a chair for 30000 - 40000 nayuta (don't know why it varies) because he repeated the universe.
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I have a personal question about this.
When they say Meth is "half the world" in terms of nights... does it use the word chikyuu (Earth) or is it sekai (world)? Because "sekai" does not mean the planet, but the entire world (what people generally mean when they say 'universe', basically our "patch of supposedly infinite space thing"). Night and darkness don't exist solely on planet Earth, it's everywhere where there is no light traversing or 'painting over' it. This means it would span over a lot of the entire visible universe and everywhere in the nonvisible universe (assuming there is no light there that hasn't reached us yet).
When they say Meth is "half the world" in terms of nights... does it use the word chikyuu (Earth) or is it sekai (world)? Because "sekai" does not mean the planet, but the entire world (what people generally mean when they say 'universe', basically our "patch of supposedly infinite space thing"). Night and darkness don't exist solely on planet Earth, it's everywhere where there is no light traversing or 'painting over' it. This means it would span over a lot of the entire visible universe and everywhere in the nonvisible universe (assuming there is no light there that hasn't reached us yet).
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From what Warren and others said it's multipled by one decillion cause hes been around for one decillion time loops each lasting 4000 plank time.
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so Methuselah duraibility would be be 3.83079148×10^80 jouls 3-B Multi Galaxy lvl
there isn't any doubt remained
Attack Potency: Varies. At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher (He embodies the mystery of all nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least. A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet, and Methuselah can create Jaws of darkness with a density of a hundred nights. Can trade blows with Wilhelm after he temporarily became an Einherjar, and who is capable of shattering his Jaws of Darkness), can bypass durability in a number of ways
Durability: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher (A single night's mystery is equivalent to the durability of half the planet, with Methuselah piling up nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least). Regenerationn, conceptual existence, non-corporealness, and requiring destruction on a conceptual level makes him extremely hard to kill, especially given how he has resistance to all of these things such as the likes of the LDO, and even being able to briefly survive a direct hit by Reinhard's Longinuslanze Testament along with Machina's Briah being the only other ability that can truly harm and destroy him)
affected profiles
Methuselah
new AP: Varies, At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher
new DP: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher
Willhelm Ehrenburg Ren Fuji Machina Eleonore von Wittenburg Wolfgang Schreiber
new AP and DP instead of their old Planet level keys: At Least Large Planet level, likely far higher
there isn't any doubt remained
Attack Potency: Varies. At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher (He embodies the mystery of all nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least. A single night's mystery requires the destruction of half the planet, and Methuselah can create Jaws of darkness with a density of a hundred nights. Can trade blows with Wilhelm after he temporarily became an Einherjar, and who is capable of shattering his Jaws of Darkness), can bypass durability in a number of ways
Durability: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher (A single night's mystery is equivalent to the durability of half the planet, with Methuselah piling up nights from the time of Mercurius to 1944, including his time loops, with their numbers being in the decillions at least). Regenerationn, conceptual existence, non-corporealness, and requiring destruction on a conceptual level makes him extremely hard to kill, especially given how he has resistance to all of these things such as the likes of the LDO, and even being able to briefly survive a direct hit by Reinhard's Longinuslanze Testament along with Machina's Briah being the only other ability that can truly harm and destroy him)
affected profiles
Methuselah
new AP: Varies, At least Large Planet level with Jaws of Darkness, likely far higher
new DP: At least Multi Galaxy level, likely far higher
Willhelm Ehrenburg Ren Fuji Machina Eleonore von Wittenburg Wolfgang Schreiber
new AP and DP instead of their old Planet level keys: At Least Large Planet level, likely far higher
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While I don't have Japanese scans, Meth is very clearly connected to the Planet Earth - and the reason why, "1 night=half a planet" is because the half of the Earth is covered in darkness at any given time.TonySansNom said:
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@Warren He's personified from darkness because people revered it from fear (nocturnal fear from predators etc), I do understand that. But does his being only comprise the darkness of Earth?
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Yes.TonySansNom said:
Otherwise, Meth would embody all the darkness in the universe - and 99% of the Universe is made up of dark empty space.
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Just to be clear, Wilhelm harming Methuselah isn't due to any capability of his to actually hurt him. If he had been able to harm Methuselah with just 8000 souls, then Schreiber would have been able to as well. It is his connection with Claudia that makes all of this possible, including touching him.
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I see. I thought Warren Valio was enough. Shame :/
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Discussion Moderators like myself can't open profiles.
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thanks for help
we need to editing these profiles:
Methuselah
Willhelm Ehrenburg
Ren Fuji
Machina
Eleonore von Wittenburg
Wolfgang Schreiber
we need to editing these profiles:
Methuselah
Willhelm Ehrenburg
Ren Fuji
Machina
Eleonore von Wittenburg
Wolfgang Schreiber
Randomlamdom
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Reinhard also needs to be edited right
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Nah hes getting his own thread.
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Mention how Meth embodies the totality of his mystery.Infera28 said:
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