Metal Sonic (Adventure) vs Perfect Cell (Dragon Ball)

[Bossbrosish]

This is Adventure Metal Sonic and Perfect Cell. I'm allowing Metal Sonic to go into his Neo Metal Sonic (Adventure Era) form if needed. Speed is equalized and the battle takes place in the Cell Games Arena starting 10 meters apart.

Perfect Cell AP: 263.25 Foe
Metal Sonic AP: 46.379916318 Foe
(5.6x times difference in Cell's favor)


Metal Sonic: 0

Perfect Cell: 0

Draw: 0

 

[Naeem0304]

I vote Cell Extreme-Difficulty; yes, he's at a 5.6x advantage, however, do remember that the Kamehameha is a power level multiplier too:

Goku's massive jump from a 416 Pl to a 950 Pl Kamehameha was a signifigant increase.

Source: Multiplier and power increases theory

1. This would be equal to a 2.2x multiplier.

So in total, that's a 7x AP advantage. Also, Metal Sonic lacks a proper win. Yes, he has better regeneration (High-Mid, possibly Mid-High for Metal Sonic vs Cell's Low-High), however, Metal Sonic lacks the AP to do meaningful damage to Cell + even technique mimicry he can't bypass the AP difference. Likewise, Cell is going to have a very hard time putting down Metal Sonic unless he creates Cell Jr's, uses the Kaioken, or Self-Destruct for a Zenkai.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I vote Cell Extreme-Difficulty; yes, he's at a 5.6x advantage, however, do remember that the Kamehameha is a power level multiplier too:

Source: Multiplier and power increases theory

1. This would be equal to a 2.2x multiplier.

So in total, that's a 7x AP advantage. Also, Metal Sonic lacks a proper win. Yes, he has better regeneration (High-Mid, possibly Mid-High for Metal Sonic vs Cell's Low-High), however, Metal Sonic lacks the AP to do meaningful damage to Cell + even technique mimicry he can't bypass the AP difference. Likewise, Cell is going to have a very hard time putting down Metal Sonic unless he creates Cell Jr's, uses the Kaioken, or Self-Destruct for a Zenkai.

Any idea if allowing Metal to use his Neo Metal Sonic changes things?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Does Metal have Ring Time?

 

[Bossbrosish]

Does Metal have Ring Time?

Can Metal even use Ring Time? I don't see it anywhere on his profile.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Can Metal even use Ring Time? I don't see it anywhere on his profile.

He's listed as having Classic Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Espio, Bark, Bean, Fang, and Amy's abilities.

 

[Naeem0304]

Any idea if allowing Metal to use his Neo Metal Sonic changes things?

I used Neo Metal Sonic in my answer; I mentioned that form of Metal Sonic's regen + power mimicry.

 

[Bossbrosish]

He's listed as having Classic Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Espio, Bark, Bean, Fang, and Amy's abilities.

Isn't Ring Time only in Sonic Generations? Considering this is adventure Metal, I don't think he'll have it here?

 

[Omegabronic]

I vote Cell Extreme-Difficulty; yes, he's at a 5.6x advantage, however, do remember that the Kamehameha is a power level multiplier too:

Source: Multiplier and power increases theory

1. This would be equal to a 2.2x multiplier.

So in total, that's a 7x AP advantage. Also, Metal Sonic lacks a proper win. Yes, he has better regeneration (High-Mid, possibly Mid-High for Metal Sonic vs Cell's Low-High), however, Metal Sonic lacks the AP to do meaningful damage to Cell + even technique mimicry he can't bypass the AP difference. Likewise, Cell is going to have a very hard time putting down Metal Sonic unless he creates Cell Jr's, uses the Kaioken, or Self-Destruct for a Zenkai.

Power Levels do not work linearly like that, so that multiplier does not work

and Metal can just copy Cell as well to add his AP to his own to close the gap, plus he has Sonic's and Shadow's AD to close to gap + Statue Speed amps to see Cell as frozen, like the spin dash and homing attack

plus a 7x advantage is not enough to bypass Metal's regen anyway, so that wouldn't help

 

[Omegabronic]

Isn't Ring Time only in Sonic Generations? Considering this is adventure Metal, I don't think he'll have it here?

Ring Time is a power Classic Sonic has, therefore Metal has it as well since fighters is the last game in the Classic Era cronologically speaking

 

[Omegabronic]

Any idea if allowing Metal to use his Neo Metal Sonic changes things?

it does, it makes AP gap irrelevant as Metal will copy it alongside all that Cell has

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Ring Time is a power Classic Sonic has, therefore Metal has it as well since fighters is the last game in the Classic Era cronologically speaking

Additionally, it would mean Metal has Sonic's Regen Negation, and at a high enough potency to neg Cell's

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Power Levels do not work linearly like that, so that multiplier does not work

I believe the usual Kamehameha amp (Going from getting no-selled to one-shotting) should still let Cell kill Metal if he lands a Kamehameha.

I assume Adventure Neo's copying isn't as fast as the Modern one's is, right? That's why the latter is listed as Reactive Evolution while the former is listed as Power Mimicry?
But I guess it doesn't matter if Metal is just going to turn Cell into rings with Ring Time.

 

[Omegabronic]

I believe the usual Kamehameha amp (Going from getting no-selled to one-shotting) should still let Cell kill Metal if he lands a Kamehameha.

define "one shot" cuz...........it needs to destroy his body enough for him to not come back, and even then Metal will just copy Cell's powers anyway, so that would make it pretty hard for Cell to damage Metal to that point

I assume Adventure Neo's copying isn't as fast as the Modern one's is, right? That's why the latter is listed as Reactive Evolution while the former is listed as Power Mimicry?
But I guess it doesn't matter if Metal is just going to turn Cell into rings with Ring Time.

nah, Metal's page is hella outdated, it needs a lot of rework, which is on the plans

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

define "one shot" cuz...........it needs to destroy his body enough for him to not come back, and even then Metal will just copy Cell's powers anyway, so that would make it pretty hard for Cell to damage Metal to that point

Metal ain't too big, so I think a Kamehameha should cover his entire body, doubt it'd leave any small piece behind (Assuming we're going with the High-Mid Regen for Neo).

Although if the copy is just as busted as Modern Neo's, Metal probably stomps. So best to leave it as Base Adventures Metal.

 

[Bossbrosish]

I should also note Metal has infinite stamina where as Cell is Superhuman

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Cell will also probably hold back against Metal at first, that's what he did against Vegeta, Trunks, Goku and Gohan afterall.

 

[Huesito88]

Just curious how fast is Metal?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Just curious how fast is Metal?

I believe around 11,878c. And Perfect Cell is 864,000c

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Just thought of something, since Metal is only starting in base and being allowed transform upwards into Neo, it'd presumably be a fresh Neo Metal with zero extra bio-data, meaning he wouldn't have that cracked asf regen due to lacking Chaos' data. Though if he's able to copy Chaos' regen I can't imagine it'd be much of a stretch to say he'd be able to copy Cell's.

 

[Omegabronic]

Metal ain't too big, so I think a Kamehameha should cover his entire body, doubt it'd leave any small piece behind (Assuming we're going with the High-Mid Regen for Neo).

covering him is not the point, it would need to be strong to reduce him that small........which wouldn't be possible as Metal would be equal to him due to copying Cell, plus that is also assuming Cell has enough AP advantage to do that to begin with......which he doesn't

plus, Metal has speed amps that would make him see Cell as nearly frozen, so hitting him at all will be difficult

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

covering him is not the point, it would need to be strong to reduce him that small........which wouldn't be possible as Metal would be equal to him due to copying Cell, plus that is also assuming Cell has enough AP advantage to do that to begin with......which he doesn't

He's over x5.6 times stronger and Kamehamehas have been shown to be capable of obliterating those who could previously stomp their user?

1. Sergeant Metallic was undamaged by Goku's standard strikes, but a Kamehameha obliterated his head.
2. SSJ Goku's Instant Kamehameha obliterated the upper portion of Cell's body, whereas they had traded blows on somewhat even terms when using standard melee attacks.
3. Goku's Kamehameha punched a hole in Fused Zamasu, who was stomping him.

But yes, Neo would stomp Cell. We should use Base Metal.

 

[Omegabronic]

He's over x5.6 times stronger and Kamehamehas have been shown to be capable of obliterating those who could previously stomp their user?

1. Sergeant Metallic was undamaged by Goku's standard strikes, but a Kamehameha obliterated his head.
2. SSJ Goku's Instant Kamehameha obliterated the upper portion of Cell's body, whereas they had traded blows on somewhat even terms when using standard melee attacks.
3. Goku's Kamehameha punched a hole in Fused Zamasu, who was stomping him.

i mean, yeah, i could argue more but like......as you said yourself

But yes, Neo would stomp Cell. We should use Base Metal.

so........it is better to limit Metal to his base form

 

[McFriesGuy075]

His profile lists him as having reactions equal to his V. Maximum Overdrive Attack (4x), wouldn't he dodge most of Cell's stuff?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

His profile lists him as having reactions equal to his V. Maximum Overdrive Attack (4x), wouldn't he dodge most of Cell's stuff?

And Cell is significantly stronger, so it balances out Ig

 

[Bossbrosish]

But yes, Neo would stomp Cell. We should use Base Metal.

Should I remove Neo Metal Sonic then?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Honestly no. Cell can't sense Metal's power anyways since he's a robot so he wouldn't use his full power right away, so he could fight Base Metal Sonic, until eventually either Cell powers up fully and easily beats him, or Metal seeing he's at a disadvantage, transforms into Neo Metal, copy Cell and beat him

Given Cell is a lot more arrogant than Base Metal Sonic, I see the latter happening more than the former

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I honestly don't see any scenario where Cell can power-up and beat Metal if he has access to his Neo form.
Metal already has a x4 reaction speed advantage and a bunch of other speed amps, so if he's getting overpowered he's just going to transform.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Wouldn't Cell also want Metal at his strongest due to his Saiyan DNA?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

So Cell wins with some difficulty against base Metal but gets shit-stomped by Neo?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Classic Metal in Fighters is stated to use all the skills of Sonic and his friends. Does this entail only the skills used in the game, or does it extend to every ability they have? If so, Metal would have Classic Sonic's AD. That'd overcome the AP gap and mitigate that issue pretty easily.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Classic Metal in Fighters is stated to use all the skills of Sonic and his friends. Does this entail only the skills used in the game, or does it extend to every ability they have? If so, Metal would have Classic Sonic's AD. That'd overcome the AP gap and mitigate that issue pretty easily.

I don't think passive AD classifies as a "skill".

 

[LaserPrecision]

I don't think passive AD classifies as a "skill".

Wasn't certain. Particularly because he's designed to be Sonic's superior. But I suppose that by itself doesn't exactly mean he should possess all the same traits. What do we treat skills as meaning? Any active ability? Just abilities exclusive to Fighters?

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Wasn't certain. Particularly because he's designed to be Sonic's superior. But I suppose that by itself doesn't exactly mean he should possess all the same traits. What do we treat skills as meaning? Any active ability? Just abilities exclusive to Fighters?

Probably any active abillity that base Metal Sonic can reasonably be assumed capable of copying based on what he's shown to copy in-game.

 

[Omegabronic]

Classic Metal in Fighters is stated to use all the skills of Sonic and his friends. Does this entail only the skills used in the game, or does it extend to every ability they have? If so, Metal would have Classic Sonic's AD. That'd overcome the AP gap and mitigate that issue pretty easily.

current profile says he has "the abilities" of all of them, so until further.....much needed revision on that profile, we should go with what it says

 

[LaserPrecision]

current profile says he has "the abilities" of all of them, so until further.....much needed revision on that profile, we should go with what it says

Well if that includes the AD, then Cell's AP advantage is gone. If not then might not help a ton