Metal Gear Speed Question and Issues

[WeeklyBattles]

Currently, Solid Snake has a speed rating of:

Supersonic+ with Hypersonic combat speed (Should be comparable to Raide, can fight Ocelot, and dodge a railgun round) and High Hypersonic reactions (Can react to Vamp's attacks)

Problem is, Vamp has two keys, one from MGS2 and one from MGS4, and only one of them is High Hypersonic and its in general speed, not attack speed:

Supersonic+ (Comparable to Raiden, and can dodge bullets) with Hypersonic combat speed | High Hypersonic (Comparable to Raiden, and can casually avoid bullets)

And then comes an issue of Raiden's speed and reasoning:

Supersonic+ (Comparable to Snake) with Hypersonic combat speed (Easily faster than Tengu soldiers) | High Hypersonic | High Hypersonic normally, Massively Hypersonic combat speed in Blade Mode (Mach 473) | Likely High Hypersonic+ normally, Massively Hypersonic combat speed in Blade Mode. Sub-Relativistic combat speed with Ripper Mode (2.6 percent the speed of light)

His second key is for MGS4 and has no reasoning for his speed whatsoever and in reality there is no reason why his speed in MGS4 should be High Hypersonic as he never has any feat on that level until MGRR, which takes place 4 years after the events of MGS4, and by that time Raiden's cyborg body had received multiple upgrades. Vamp also never appeared in MGRR so he doesnt scale to that either, so why exactly is he scaled to a feat that happened in a game he wasnt in performed by Raiden 4 years after fighting Vamp after receiving multiple upgrades?

 

[Dark649]

At least Hypersonic could be more appropriate instead.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump, kinda need input here

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm alright with at least '''Hypersonic'''

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

for snake well i'm not sure i forgot if he fought vamp will have to check. But raiden fought vamp in 4 and should scale to him in a cutscene to get snake away from him. So if vamp is in that speed then raiden in 4 should scale really and add the reason to keep up with vamp

 

[WeeklyBattles]

He did briefly fight Vamp but he also had to cauth Vamp off guard from a sneak attack to "kill" him

Yes, Vamp scales to MGS4 Raiden but Raiden has no reason to be High hypersonic in MGS4 for a feat he performed four years later in MGRR with a body that had been upgraded in the time between the two games

TLDR; Vamp is High Hypersonic for no reason as MGR4 Raiden has no reason to be High Hypersonic

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

hmmm thought it was because there is a feat in 4 that made them high hypersonic but if does get downgraded i guess at least hypersonic can work out

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nope its a feat from the opening scene of MGRR where Raiden fights a modified Metal Gear RAY

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

should be fine then with at least hypersonic

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So...should they be changed? Or do we need more input?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Volgin's lightning tho.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That was removed for the dumbest of reasons, the Volgin thing.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Is it real lightning?

 

[The_Everlasting]

It displays literally every property.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Let's see.

• It has an electromagnetic field and attracts metal to it
• It flows through cables and conductive materials
• Doesn't flow through wood or rubber
• Has a stated power of 10,000,000 Volts
• Volgin accidentally channels Cloud-to-ground lightning in one scene

 

[The_Everlasting]

He can also use it to power machines or take power from machines to charge himself up.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Would it be an outlier?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Maybe. I don't think anyone scales completely to Volgin's lightning. Ocelot does react to it but he moves a few centimeters while the lightning moves several meters.

I'm also like pretty sure the calcs are lowballed as hell.

 

[The_Everlasting]

The feat was calced at like, MHS, Ocelot's.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Then make a crt to get them changed

all the feats were calced by xcano so i wouldnt doubt it.

 

[Huesito88]

In the Ocelot profile it states it was Mach 20 (but it also states it maybe a outliner)

Also this thread was asking something about Volgin's electricity

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You don't even need to scale to Snake's durability to prove its real lightning.

When surrounding his fist with his lightning Volgin punches straight through the Shagohod, which is impervious to RPG-7 shells and even strikes from helicopters.