Metal Gear Solid Speed Revisions

[Lina_Shields]

LordXCano wrote
I've recently done several calcs for this verse, and I think we're in for a downgrade. The thing we currently scale just about everyone to is Ocelot's lightning feat. However I revised this and got just Mach 17. In addition I did a few more calculations to back up the consistency of this.

• Raiden's new body missile hops - Mach 9.01
• Tengu bullet blocking - Mach 8.92

• Raiden throws with machine gun speed - Mach 3.5
• Snake outpaces helicopter bullets - Mach 2.51 to Mach 3.08
• Gray Fox blocks a bullet - Mach 2.15

• Snake backflips over a bullet - Mach 1.6
• Vamp dodges more bullets - Mach 1.19

• Snake dodging a railgu - Mach 1.08

• Null deflecting bullets - 338 m/s
• Olga deflects bullets - 222.1 m/s
• Snake running around bullets - 126.87 m/s
• Vamp dodges a bullet - 86.01 m/s
• Gene dodges a bullet - 49.8 m/s

Overall the series seems to be Trans-Supersonic in speed. But this is only the main series. I decided to redo Raiden's Mach 1700 missile hop feat as well. I got Mach 2.7. With Blade Mode increasing his speed by 10x over this would be Mach 27.

I have not revised the Mach 2000 feat yet, but it was done on the same assumptions as the Mach 1700 was. Because of this I think it'll be similarly low, but I can't say for sure right now.

As a tl;dr here, pretty much every character gets a downgrade to Supersonic+, Raiden's first body in MGR gets downgraded to "at least Supersonic+ with High Hypersonic Reactions" with at least "Hypersonic with High Hypersonic+ Reactions" for his current body.

For: 10

Against: 5


Also, there are more calcs for this series:

• Snake Outruns Bullets V2 (Credit to Antoniofer)
• Railguns can move at 13000 miles per hour. That is about Mach 17
• Some Grey Fox Feats (Credit to Antoniofer)
• Using the Mach 17 railgun speed instead of the 3500m/s for the railgun, I get Old Snake's dodging speed of ~Mach 1.8
• I may do a calc regarding Raiden's slicing speed soon regarding the Metal Gear Ray battle.

We can conclude the topic in regards to Raiden's speed here. However, Raiden's speed >> Snake and Ocelot anyways.

 

[Antoniofer]

Here's another one about Gray Fox. I think that we have enough calcs (5 at Subsonic, 6 at Supersonic and 2 Hypersonic), or there any other that should be calculated/revised?

 

[Naitez]

Don't forget Ripper Mode-enhanced Blade mode being about 8.1 times faster than regular Blade mode, putting Raiden's maximum reaction speed at Mach 729.8 or Massively Hypersonic.

I know I keep changing it but mistakes happen with calcs and someone else could confirm it for me.

 

[Lina_Shields]

@Natse: I would like to see a video for the Ripper Mode Blade mode vs Regular Blade mode. All I noticed was that Ripper Mode makes Raiden only slightly faster in the video.

 

[LordXcano]

Don't forget Ripper Mode-enhanced Blade mode being about 8.1 times faster than regular Blade mode, putting Raiden's maximum reaction speed at Mach 729.8 or Massively Hypersonic.
I know I keep changing it but mistakes happen with calcs and someone else could confirm it for me.

The highest calc is Mach 9.01 which would make his reactions Mach 90.1?

I'm doing the Raiden bullet block right now though. This'll probably be the highest one he has and solidify his speed.

 

[LordXcano]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/MGR_Raiden_Blocks_a_Bullet

MGR Raiden's new body has the same gameplay mechanics so his feats should be comparable to this. Story wise though he's far superior, so "at least High Hypersonic with MHS Reactions and Combat Speed" should be good.

 

[Naitez]

@Natse: I would like to see a video for the Ripper Mode Blade mode vs Regular Blade mode. All I noticed was that Ripper Mode makes Raiden only slightly faster in the video.

Raiden moves the same speed as in regular Blade Mode. It's just that everything around Raiden's slowed down even further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkfABCEM2_8

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/MGR_Raiden_Blocks_a_Bullet
MGR Raiden's new body has the same gameplay mechanics so his feats should be comparable to this. Story wise though he's far superior, so "at least High Hypersonic with MHS Reactions and Combat Speed" should be good.

I agree with this. Aprove 100%

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

So, would we scale the Metal Gear Solid characters from the Tengus, since thanks to this last calc their speed doesn't contradict Raiden's?

 

[Lina_Shields]

Just scale Snake and Ocelot's speed from the Tengus.

Raiden was supposedly immensely stronger/faster than Snake in MGR anyways.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, Snake, Ocelot, Gray Fox, etc.

 

[LordXcano]

So, does this go through now? At least for MGR Raiden?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Honestly?

I have 0 problems with scaling MGS characters from the Tengu and MGR characters from the new calc.

 

[LordXcano]

Updated all the MGR pages

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I would appreciate if the Ripper Mode speed difference was gauged too. Lina said it was about *11 times faster too.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

10 times

At least that's what I read LOTS of times in several forums

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seems legit.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What about regular Solid?

Are we okay with scaling from Tengu?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Why "regular"?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Regular as in regular Metal Gear Solid, not Metal Gear Rising.

 

[Lina_Shields]

We can scale the MGS guys from the Tengu.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Alright.

 

[LordXcano]

10 times
At least that's what I read LOTS of times in several forums

It's from the guidebook or something. Says it brings his perception/reactions to 10% the original.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

Wait I kinda got lost in the mix up but, is raiden still Massively hypersonic + after this, cause his profile states that? And I thought he was only MHS with blade mode after this. Or did I miss something?

 

[LordXcano]

Someone must've changed it.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Maybe because that's the only change we made and previous form still at MHS+?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Okay, so if we agree with scaling the Metal Gear Solid characters from the Tengu, can someone alter the pages?

 

[Lina_Shields]

LordXCano and I will discuss the speed settings for the Metal Gear Solid characters, and edit them accordingly.

 

[Naitez]

Maybe because that's the only change we made and previous form still at MHS+?

Ripper Blade Mode is approximately 7.7 times faster than regular Blade Mode, which gives us a speed of Mach 3643. This speed is indeed Massively Hypersonic+ and not some carryover. If I was using the old calcs, Raiden would have been moving at Relativistic speeds.

 

[LordXcano]

Source for 7.7x?

 

[Lina_Shields]

I would like an official source, or a calculation for the 7.7x thing.

 

[Naitez]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkfABCEM2_8

Do I have to post a video or make a blog detailing how much faster Ripper Blade is compared to regular Blade Mode?

 

[LordXcano]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LordXcano/Raiden's_Ripper_Mode_Multiplier

 

[LordXcano]

Updated all profiles.

 

[Dark649]

Updated all profiles.

Thanks for your effort i appreciate it, there only two thing missing now: Volgin/Man of Fire and The Boss profiles.