Mephiles downgrade

[SSGgoku123456]

why is he At least High 6-A?

Shadow was able to fight and defeat him and so was Omega.

the only reason he even one shotted Sonic because he was off guard.

 

[Withersoul_235]

The reason to Meph's tier is because absorbed Shadow's power, as well as all of his abilities, becoming equal to him. Shadow is stronger than Sonic, having even beaten him in Shadow the Hedgehog. Mephiles also killed Sonic with a single laser spear. In order to one-shot a character you should be at least 120 times stronger. Mephiles did so with literally no effort.

The fact that Sonic was off-guard doesn't mean a lot, because Mephiles still took his life in a single strike. Even if that was invalid, Mephiles scales to Shadow and Omega for fighting both, who are High 6-A.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

how is shadow stronger than sonic? he's literally his equal as stated on his page, and even then sonic has still beaten him more times than shadow beating Sonic which was just once.

We might as well downgrade Goku then since he almost got killed by a ******* lazer while he was off guard.

Also why are we assuming Mephiles is still "stronger" than Sonic? I'm pretty sure Sonic is far above what he was back then since he's pretty much getting more powerful all the time.

and if that's the case then why the heck is infinite At least High 6-A? all he did was knock out pre forces sonic who is inferior to current forces sonic.

 

[Dark649]

Mephiles oneshotted Sonic, Shadow cannot fight him normally unless he goes Chaos Burst and had to remove his limiter rings to fight an army of him. Mephiles toyed with Shadow [Since he also knocked him with one strong hit] and Omega, he fought and overpowered the three of them after he freed himself from the sceptre. Infinite is at least High 6-A because he stomped Omega, Silver and Sonic and required the combined forces of two High 6-A characters to fight him.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

Even if we ignore the fact that he was off guard that still doesn't mean he's still stronger that current base sonic, infinite may have stomped Omega and Silver but he didn't stomp Sonic in the end, as a matter of fact he was able to fight on par with him on their final meet up, the avatar coming in at the end was to pretty much overpower infinite and finish him off.

also like i said, if Mephiles killing an off guard sonic counts as being one shotted, then you might as well downgrade Goku for almost dying after being shot by a lazer.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

There's also the implication that Mephiles already possessed all 7 Chaos Emeralds when he oneshot Sonic or at least 2.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Being caught off-guard is a special thing in Dragon Ball because characters need to amp themselves.

This is not the case with Sonic.

So "Sonic was caught off-guard" is not an actual argument.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

There's also the implication that Mephiles already possessed all 7 Chaos Emeralds when he oneshot Sonic or at least 2.

ah well that makes a lot more sense then.

but this still doesn't mean that Current base Sonic is still on the same level as 06 Sonic though.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

I think current Sonic should be at least high 6-A since he manhandled Egg Emperor by himself when it required all of Team Sonic to beat it previously.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

I think the planetary scaling should be reconsidered,Sonic Stated that he gets more powerful every second,this is supported by his stat buff in Generations by being able to defeat bosses that previously required Team Sonic(Egg Emperor),The Werehog(Egg Dragoon),& Super Sonic(Perfect Chaos).

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

@The Everlasting

Actually it is. Base Sonic's durability gets higher with momentum as in the Boost mechanic for one & Super Sonic's Aura bypassing attacks in the Advance/Rush series as well as him clearly being caught off guard when Eggman siphoned him with the Chaos Energy Cannon.

 

[Dark649]

Sonic was just taunting Infinite, and i already discussed the other stuff.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

It's not really a bluff when Infinite stated first that Sonic's abillities exceeded his previous data which Sonic elaborated on.

 

[Dark649]

He got stronger yes, but the every second thing is the taunting part i was referring.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

So you agree with him getting stronger over time but don't consider his stat buffs in Generations as legit?

 

[Dark649]

Yes, i don't want him to be considerably higher than characters like Vector either.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

so your saying Vector is stronger than Sonic???

 

[SSGgoku123456]

Also if you've played the final boss of forces you would know that Sonic > entire resistance.

knuckles needed an entire army just to defeat all those clones while Sonic only needed the Avatar and the 3D version of Classic Sonic to defeat the death egg robot, and by doing that they technically defeated all of the clones which proves my point.

shadow can scale since he's sonic's equal.

 

[Dark649]

so your saying Vector is stronger than Sonic???

No, just that there is no need for the at least for now.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

ok but even if anybody tries to say that it's wrong.

vector in forces even admits it.

 

[Sera_EX]

'''Pffft'''. Shadow is not stronger than Sonic in main canon. He's stronger than him in the Boom universe though. Shadow beat Sonic in Shadow the Hedgehog yet Sonic beat Shadow in Generations.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Can we just say that powerscaling in Sonic Forces makes no god damn sense?

 

[SSGgoku123456]

how exactly does it not make sense?

 

[Sera_EX]

Forces is not even canon

 

[The_Everlasting]

"The Phantom Ruby clones are as formidable as their originals"

>Shadow one-shots his own clone

Also Infinite going from stomping Sonic to losing to him despite Sonic only being locked up for the last six months.

Also Tails being terrified of Chaos 0 (Remember when he beat Chaos 4?) before Classic Sonic one-shots him.

@Sewa

It is tho.

 

[Sera_EX]

It's not. Before the game was released it was stated Forced will be a "stand alone" title. Not a sequel or prequel to any other entry in the series.

 

[The_Everlasting]

That... doesn't mean anything though? It just means it's not following the story of other Sonic games.

Being standalone =/= non-canon, that's just being silly.

 

[Sera_EX]

Look up the definition of canon. 9/10 it's based on continuity, which Sonic Forces lacks. If it's canon it has to fit in the timeline somewhere.

 

[The_Everlasting]

It can, but it just has no specific place (Not like Sonic had a consistent timeline anyway).

Being a standalone title means it's not a follow up or leadup to other games, it doesn't mean it's non-canon. If they wanted the game to be non-canon, they would have said that, not say it's standalone.

 

[Sera_EX]

At any rate, the scaling is a bowl of ****.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

"The Phantom Ruby clones are as formidable as their originals"
>Shadow one-shots his own clone

Also Infinite going from stomping Sonic to losing to him despite Sonic only being locked up for the last six months.

Also Tails being terrified of Chaos 0 (Remember when he beat Chaos 4?) before Classic Sonic one-shots him.

@Sewa

It is tho.

That was a Shadow 6 months before Sonic reunited with his friends and just like Sonic he most likely also got more powerful since then.

Ye cause Sonic got stronger.

This version of Classic Sonic who is now referred to as Sonic from another dimention could be more powerful than the original Classic Sonic from the 90s which could explain why he could one shot Chaos 0.

There is also no reason to believe that current Chaos 0 is still weaker than his Chaos 4 form from SA1, thats like saying base goku from dbs is weaker than dbz super saiyan goku.

Either that or idk.

 

[Sera_EX]

That's a false equivalency because DBS shenanigans.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

dbs takes place after dbz.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

also if you don't like it, how about this:

that's like saying base goku from the buu saga in dbz is weaker than ssj1 goku from the frieza saga in dbz.

 

[Sera_EX]

I mean after Resurrection F, base Goku is 3-A. There's nothing suggesting Chaos is any stronger than he was in SA.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Correction:

Battle of Gods

 

[Sera_EX]

Yeah, BoG. Lol.

 

[SSGgoku123456]

in sonic colors blaze says "You're even sharper now than when we last met" saying that sonic has gotten more stronger.

generations backs it up with the PC fight (which takes place in 1999) but since it's regarded as an outlier nvm.

in sonic forces he was able to get harmed by Chaos 0, so with powerscaling Chaos also got stronger since SA1.

 

[Dark649]

Lets' see Sonic likely started at over 111 petatons in Adventures, then became over 511 Petatons in later Modern Era since he defeated the Eggrobo and Ifrit [Calc in the page] in End of Forces he should be not far to 600 Petatons [From the possible time gap] with Infinite and Mephiles above on the at least part.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

What about Gerald's Journal stating Emerl could destroy Earth with 7 Chaos Emeralds? This was 50+ years before the Final Egg Blaster even existed & should correlate to the low negative end of their destructive capacity(5-A) & Sonic manhandled him without weakpoints.