Meltlilith/ryllis Revision (+ a leeeeetle bit of Liz involved)

[Diinou_HotHead]

Okay. Just realized I have to do this. I suck at saying forewords, so let's just get right down to the proposed contents:

For Melt:

Additions:

• Hacking, Data Manipulation: Hacked Sakura's Spiritron Data in a moment, despite her Black Ice layers protecting her.

• Possible Soul Manipulation: Spiritrons are "true essence of the soul" I don't know if this will apply to Pseudo-Spiritrons tho. There's also "redirecting the soul's output into the cyber world thing" Which I'm not sure is about Spiritron = Souls or not

• Additional feats for Mind Manipulation: Her Skill, All Drain, can drain not only stats, but personality and consciousness

• Power Absorption, Fusionism, Non-Physical Interaction: Her Melt Virus drains power and things without form. It also fuses what it absorbs together before absorbing them.

• Avatar Creation (or Duplication?) Corruption: Meltlilith can make those inflicted with Melt Virus turn into another copy of herself

• Power Modification: Changed Elizabeth's Class

• Range upgrade: Via Melt Virus, she can reach Sakura in the Student Council Room from Sakura Maze, which were separated by an Imaginary Number Space. So I propose, her range with Melt Virus be Interdimensional, but as long as she has a slight contact with the target.

Things I question:

• Poison Manipulation, Acid Manipulation: Let me guess. It's from Melt Virus? Now, I'm 80% sure, that being called "poison" is mostly flowery language here (She usually mean using Melt Virus' effects when saying poison)

• Resistance Negation: Tis ain't supposed to even be a thing for her IIRC. It could have just been her having a greater potency the hax than the resistance.

• Disease Manipulation: The scan saying it was a disease doesn't even say it's a disease. The closest thing it says was "make the afflicted thing a Virus"

• BFR, Pocket Reality Manipulation: One plain thing about this: NO. Not only her "Heart" actually something BB enables her to transform into, after creating the Sakura Maze, Melt can't voluntarity BFR people there either. She just waited for you to go and fight her there, so she can Virus Sakura for the 2nd time, and also to fight you in her "Default" level, speaking of which, I'll be getting to it later.

• Reactive Power Level: The justification says it's because she drains powers to get stronger. That's for her Power Absorption thing. Not Reactive Power Level

• Anything for her 2nd Key: Not necessarily questioning their existence. But why those aren't on her first Key. Like, I don't see any indications of why they MUST be on her second Key. However, I still question the existence of her Resistance to Statistics Reduction. It's not her inherent ability. It's simply how she was in her "Heart" (which I said before, is not even really her own ability). Also, it isn't even Lv. 999 Melt that utilizes this ability. It's Lv.1 Melt, who was so weak you Servant would have curbstomped her, returning her level to its "Default" state, to put up a fight with your Servant. And while I do not question her Invulnerability's existence, I still question how it was treated as a passive in VS Matches. She don't just come ready with the rule altered. She "hacked" the system to give it to herself.

For Liz:

Just one (or two) thing, it may sound ridiculous, but...

• Immortality (Type 8): Just... Look. At. This. Not that it will affect her in general. It's only for her Berserker Key

Speaking of Berserker Liz, this may or may not be an addition, but...

• Should she get Small Size (Type 4)?: I know it's a state Melt bestowed upon her but... So is her entire Berserker Class. Here's how she's shrunk.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

In here Lv 999 key she has already "hacked" the system to have her invulnerability. That's why it's assumed as passive.

 

[John985]

Gonna w8 for others input, but isnt the scan for small size says she's nano size? So that should be type 5.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Her resistance negation is for her, and it would be Resistance Negation. That, or it's greater in potency than the Moon Cell's stuff to prevent it.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Her resistance negation is for her, and it would be Resistance Negation. That, or it's greater in potency than the Moon Cell's stuff to prevent it.

The Resistance Negation is for her Melt Virus affecting Servants, despite them resisting Transmutation. Is affecting peeps with resistance usually considered greater potencty, or resistance negation, is something I'm not sure.

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

Depends. If they still put up resistance but its overwhelmed, its potency.

If they can't resist it despite normally being able to, or its stated to just ignore resistance, Resistance Neg.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Oh wait. I remember an instance of Robin getting Virus'd, and lasted long enough to run to the end of the Maze, then put up a fight with your Servant.

Does that count as resisting?

 

[KnightOfSunlight]

I think that'd be an outlier tbh, since it oneshots your servants and Sakura with ease.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Huh. I suppose. Don't really remember other instances of resisting that long.

So, I think I'm gonna move on to the Small Size part. I'm not sure if "nanosize" statement is literal or not, so I lowball it to Type 4, according to her usage as "virus"

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

I think this is fine addition.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

I think this is fine addition.

What about the removals?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Yeah, I think that is also fine too.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Resistance negation needs clear statements or sufficient logic. Otherwise, the potency is simply stronger than the resistance. I actually thought there was some reasoning for that addition, but if that's it it needs to get eliminated immediately. Negation is a much bigger deal than potency, hence needs more proof, proof that I am not seeing.

"Putting a resistance but still being overwhelmed" rarely if ever happens. If this was the rationale used, a lot more people would get negation.

Edit: Also, if he resisted for longer, that simply means he has higher resistance. Scaling things to every Servant because they are Servants doesn't suddenly mean individual members can't have higher resistance.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Just realized this will affect Kazuradrop too, for having everything Melt has.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It should, yes.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Is this all the inputs?

I'm going to add & remove what has been accepted, if these are consired enough.

 

[The_Prince_of_Counters]

I disagree with Non-physical interaction. "No shape." doesn't sound like intangiblilty to me and it doesn't entail on the type of intangiblilty either. All in all that seems too vague to get accepted.


As long as it has a form, draining is possible, regardless of whether it is made of organic matter or inorganic matter, but things without shape. So how exactly is she having NPI argued when it outright states she can effect shit without a form?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

"No shape" as in something like Experience points, Skills, and personalities.

If these aren't enough, then I suppose it's not enough.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Let me bunp this.

Would he great if people would tell which part they agree and not agree.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

I already said what I disagree with, Resistance Negation needs to be burned (and I know you are agreeing with burning it, just weird wording on my part).

Aside from that, I do agree with all the proposals. Very straight forward.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Okay... Finally out of "Must get ready for exams" phase.

Now I can do things easier.

There's Lance and Shiro agreeing with this.

While KoS explained me how her Invul is passive for her 2nd Key.

While PoC disagreed with NPI for her. Which I don't know what to make of it.

I don't know what to make of her possible Soul Manip either.

 

[Junkoposter]

buff the lizard ovo

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

If you want more comments, try linking t to people's walls, or the main discussion thread for Nasuverse.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

That seems less like Avatar Creation and more like Corruption/Data Manipulation based on how it operates.

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Okay. Noted. But what about other things?

 

[Diinou_HotHead]

Bump