Meliodas vs Monkey D. Luffy [19-2-0]

[Makai641001]

It's kind of an aura thing i'm pretty sure

Can be used in attacks too.

EE that erase body, soul, memories, law manip curses throughout spacetimes (living world/purgatory) and can bypass completely an ability that invert any negative effect.

Can someone finally give me quantification about what’s needed to resist haoshoku ?

Btw Meliodas doesn’t even need his consciousness and can fight while depraved of his soul feelings etc…

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Can be used in attacks too.

EE that erase body, soul, memories, law manip curses throughout spacetimes (living world/purgatory) and can bypass completely an ability that invert any negative effect.

I'm a casual that hasen't seen sds in a hot minute Oh, so it's THAT kinda EE that can double as powernull through erasing attacks as well??(almost like Kumagawa's)

Thats kinda cracked ngl

 

[Gamecooob]

I won’t Go through it all but using statements about having better haki (which gets influenced by physicals etc…) is shit.

What...?
one, Haki doesn't get influenced by "physicals", you dont have stronger haki by having stronger physicals.

Two, I am super curious as to how you see "ah, guy 1 has a power, guy 2 with haki cant negate that power, though he could negate the powers of guy 3 which has weaker haki than both" and say "yeah thats just potency"

??? read the post better. Don't skim.

Existing

Is it passive or is it thought-based? And does he always 24/7 use it?

 

[Makai641001]

What...?
one, Haki doesn't get influenced by "physicals", you dont have stronger haki by having stronger physicals.

A Haki clash between two characters
Character A and B have similar haki but character A is much much stronger
Character A wins the clash

Two, I am super curious as to how you see "ah, guy 1 has a power, guy 2 with haki cant negate that power, though he could negate the powers of guy 3 which has weaker haki than both" and say "yeah thats just potency"

A layer is the action to bypass someone’s resistance to an hax entirely not just having stronger ability.

??? read the post better. Don't skim.



Is it passive or is it thought-based? And does he always 24/7 use it?

Passive and yeah in this form he just erase things it’s not something that stops
Btw he also has layered deconstruction without his true magic

 

[Bananossauro]

A Haki clash between two characters
Character A and B have similar haki but character A is much much stronger
Character A wins the clash

That is a bad analysis, as this the same as saying a sword is sharper than the rest because the wielder is stronger than their oponents.

A layer is the action to bypass someone’s resistance to an hax entirely not just having stronger ability.

In one piece, one can't effect the oponent with their powers unless both haki are relative like when Law cauldn't teleport Kaido nor Big Mom directly due to their overwhelming haki.. That means that, the strengh of haki is directly correlated with its capability of resisting hax as shown in the battle between Law and Black Beard pirates.

Not seen the profile of meli yet but if he does not have deffences against internal damage duraneg that negs regen, Luffy might win if he doesn't prolong the fight and there ain't reason for him to. I vote Luffy

 

[Makai641001]

That is a bad analysis, as this the same as saying a sword is sharper than the rest because the wielder is stronger than their oponents.

In one piece, one can't effect the oponent with their powers unless both haki are relative like when Law cauldn't teleport Kaido nor Big Mom directly due to their overwhelming haki.. That means that, the strengh of haki is directly correlated with its capability of resisting hax as shown in the battle between Law and Black Beard pirates.

A statement of superiority alone was never enough to be considered a layer.

Not seen the profile of meli yet but if he does not have deffences against internal damage

His weakest form (sealed season 1 Mel) resisted pretty against fog of death an attack that destroy internals demons on par or superior to Hendrikson resist it with 0 drawbacks

duraneg that negs regen,

A weaker Meli than the one used here could regen after getting hit by Sunshine that negs regen

Luffy might win if he doesn't prolong the fight and there ain't reason for him to. I vote Luffy

Luffy doesn’t resist layered decon/passive EE

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Meliodas gets flattened like a pancake while pressed between exploding dura neg that's more potent than organ destroying dura neg straight to the heart.

Meliodas and any character stronger than Ash Hendrickson can withstand internal organ destruction — it's no big deal

 

[Makai641001]

Meliodas and any character stronger than Ash Hendrickson can withstand internal organ destruction — it's no big deal

We should add all the layers from the recent threads to the profiles to avoid confusion

 

[Majinere566]

The worst type of matchup….

 

[Makai641001]

The worst type of matchup….

Haki 56 layers cause wb is stronger than akainu

 

[Ebihara]

Haki wank makes battle spirit wank seem normal.

 

[Makai641001]

Haki wank makes battle spirit wank seem normal.

Featherine: rewrites Luffy
OP community: « Luffy rubberize and nulls »

 

[AthelChan]

One piece is getting flamed in pws community because of this

Haki 56 layers cause wb is stronger than akainu

 

[karo_senpaii]

They start 11km apart, the miasma doesn't extend that far just like that. Also it doesn't straight up kill, people affected seemed to have headaches among other things, it primary effect is status inducement.

Luffy main wincons here is internal damage but due to the fact that Mel can regenerate, it would be hard to put him down. Mel on the other hand is the stronger one and his true magic as of right now just erases Luffy.

More times than not Mel takes this

 

[Majinere566]

They start 11km apart, the miasma doesn't extend that far just like that. Also it doesn't straight up kill, people affected seemed to have headaches among other things, it primary effect is status inducement.

Luffy main wincons here is internal damage but due to the fact that Mel can regenerate, it would be hard to put him down. Mel on the other hand is the stronger one and his true magic as of right now just erases Luffy.

More times than not Mel takes this

You forgot Haki powernulls, has 83 layers and can lowkey rewrite reality

 

[AthelChan]

You forgot Haki powernulls, has 83 layers and can lowkey rewrite reality

 

[Gamecooob]

A layer is the action to bypass someone’s resistance to an hax entirely not just having stronger ability.

?? dawg. Those with stronger haki deadass resist powernull, but those stronger than THAT can powernull the same guy... stop catterwalling.

tw he also has layered deconstruction without his true magic

Haki negs. Only wincon is passive EE.

A statement of superiority alone was never enough to be considered a layer.

Not a statement of "superiority", we got showings, read the layers thread.

Haki 56 layers cause wb is stronger than akainu

7 layers*, accepted btw

 

[Majinere566]

Where does haki resist deconstruction? I’m looking for it on the page

 

[Gamecooob]

Resists full on matter manip.

 

[Makai641001]

Resists full on matter manip.

Btw deconstruction and Matter manip are different Luffy does not resist.

So because someone has shown more willpower than someone else EVERY SINGLE hax resistance get a layer ?

That’s crazy y’all can lie however you want to cause we can’t even verify shit since your threads have litteraly 0 feats regarding 7 layers of matter manip resistance.

When any other verse needs showings OP needs will power.

 

[Makai641001]

They start 11km apart, the miasma doesn't extend that far just like that.

Didn’t see the 11km mb.

Also it doesn't straight up kill, people affected seemed to have headaches among other things, it primary effect is status inducement.

That’s what I said it’s just a toon force mechanic just the way Luffy goes through Kaido’s eyes but doesn’t burst them.

Luffy main wincons here is internal damage but due to the fact that Mel can regenerate, it would be hard to put him down.

Not only does Mel have regeneration but on top of that if Luffy tries to touch him he’ll get his ass erased.

Mel on the other hand is the stronger one and his true magic as of right now just erases Luffy.

More times than not Mel takes this

Yeah

 

[Kaydee1648]

Didn’t see the 11km mb.

I wrote 1km

 

[Superscharbe]

Wtf is this Haki wank?

Swordusers against Luffy will always be a bad idea.

I vote for Meliodas because of that and regen

 

[Kachon123]

Wtf is this Haki wank?

Swordusers against Luffy will always be a bad idea.

Nope.

I vote for Meliodas because of that and regen

Haki negates regen and has resistance negation.

 

[Gamecooob]

That’s crazy y’all can lie however you want to cause we can’t even verify shit since your threads have litteraly 0 feats regarding 7 layers of matter manip resistance.

Don't care. Read the thread. 7 Layers of Buso, meaning everything on the Buso Page (including the DF Powernull) has 7 layers.

Not my fault you decide to willfully ignore what we have accepted just cuz' Buso negs your favorite hax

Now, answer me, what level of deconstruction does Meliodas have?

 

[Robo432343]

ngl meli erases luffy

 

[Gamecooob]

ngl meli erases luffy

Yea i'm not contesting that tbf

 

[Superscharbe]

Nope.

Ah yeah,comparing Rebecca and Cracker with Meliodas.Insane take

Haki negates regen and has resistance negation.

ACoC only "negates" DF based regen.Just because Gaban can stop it from Sommers,does not mean Luffy can do it from Meliodas better regen.You are gifting feats to someone who has not such feats

 

[Gamecooob]

DF based regen

DF based regen which is just... regular regen?

Whats the difference between, say, Marco's regen and normal regen?

 

[Kachon123]

Ah yeah,comparing Rebecca and Cracker with Meliodas.Insane take

? Those are people with similar stats to his, just like Meliodas. Maybe present an actual argument because this isn't one.

ACoC only "negates" DF based regen.Just because Gaban can stop it from Sommers,does not mean Luffy can do it from Meliodas better regen.You are gifting feats to someone who has not such feats

Gaban negated the immortality from Imu, which is different from regeneration. Haki has this accepted.

Regeneration Negation (At least Mid, likely Mid-High; Haki users are capable of negating externally accelerated natural regeneration)

 

[Kachon123]

ngl meli erases luffy

In order to do that, Meliodas needs to hit Luffy with a projectile blast. In Gear 5th, Luffy has over a 5x speed advantage (which is already near enough to blitz), has very high levels of precog with Kenbun and Advanced Kenbun, and passively grows in speed and strength as the fight goes on longer. He's not getting hit by that, especially when he would see that it would kill him on contact.

 

[Superscharbe]

? Those are people with similar stats to his, just like Meliodas. Maybe present an actual argument because this isn't one.

Kaido already did.Weak to cutting attacks will never change.Stop reading two piece.I give you 2 recent feats to debunk your claim.

Gaban negated the immortality from Imu, which is different from regeneration. Haki has this accepted.

Feat for Gaban,not Luffy.And still just DF based stuff,not natural regen

 

[Kachon123]

Kaido already did.Weak to cutting attacks will never change.Stop reading two piece.I give you 2 recent feats to debunk your claim.

You sent scans of Luffy not using Haki being cut to "debunk Haki wank" and so I sent you scans of Luffy using Haki not being cut... but you're ignoring it because..?

Feat for Gaban,not Luffy.And still just DF based stuff,not natural regen

What Gaban negated is separate than what Haki in general negates. It's never mentioned that Haki negates devil fruit-based regeneration. It negates externally accelerated natural regeneration, like that of the Demon Clan (using darkness to regenerate)

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

What in the Battle Spirit GG is this

 

[Gamecooob]

DF based stuff,not natural regen

not only does Haki negate non-df regen like Kachon said...

Ya still haven't said why negating someone like Marco's regen wouldn't equate to negating Meliodas' regen.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

? Those are people with similar stats to his, just like Meliodas. Maybe present an actual argument because this isn't one.

Rebecca (One Piece)

Rebecca is the former crown princess of Dressrosa who's title was taken after Donquixote Doflamingo's takeover of the country. She was imprisoned and forced to fight in the Corrida Colosseum, where she never inflicted a single injury nor lost a battle. Upon Doflamingo's defeat, she forfeited her...

vsbattles.fandom.com

Weaknesses: Her sword is blunt and therefore cannot deal slicing or piercing damage.
Without Buso Haki against Luffy with Buso Haki ?

Nice proof indeed

 

[Kachon123]

Weaknesses: Her sword is blunt and therefore cannot deal slicing or piercing damage.
Without Buso Haki against Lufyf with Buso Haki ?

Nice proof indeed

?? Did you look at anything else in the imgur link I sent? Also, Rebecca's blade is still durable.

 

[karo_senpaii]

You sent scans of Luffy not using Haki being cut to "debunk Haki wank" and so I sent you scans of Luffy using Haki not being cut... but you're ignoring it because..?

What Gaban negated is separate than what Haki in general negates. It's never mentioned that Haki negates devil fruit-based regeneration. It negates externally accelerated natural regeneration, like that of the Demon Clan (using darkness to regenerate)

Darkness isn't an externally accelerated natural healing. Darkness is like an extra limb for demons...

In order to do that, Meliodas needs to hit Luffy with a projectile blast. In Gear 5th, Luffy has over a 5x speed advantage (which is already near enough to blitz), has very high levels of precog with Kenbun and Advanced Kenbun, and passively grows in speed and strength as the fight goes on longer. He's not getting hit by that, especially when he would see that it would kill him on contact.

Tbh there's no blitz advantage Mel also gets a 4x speed amp with dm2 and and then he has dm3 on top

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

?? Did you look at anything else in the imgur link I sent? Also, Rebecca's blade is still durable.

Yes, with Luffy being superior to everyone on there

Except Cracker, which is inferior in Gear fourth but with a superior Haki, but Luffy grew in strenght and was cut in the beginning on the fight just to be able to tank piercing attacks at the end

Still, using Rebecca is a horrible example, that is my comment

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Still, to the Meliodas fans, Luffy would not be cut just by a 3 AP advantage when Haki makes him resist those attacks, and that is only on true magic