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This is an updated and revised scaling chart of the chart I made before the forum move. It includes Characters with existing and potential profiles. Characters that aren't here but have existing profiles such as Predaking or Characters who aren't here and don't have profiles aren't added in here because those characters I feel don't really need or are deserving of profiles due to the sheer inconsistency of IDW and lack of feats or scaling. It'll all end up just clogging the chart, making things more difficult. I'm only adding characters who don't have much contradictory feats and are worthy of profiles.
It's in order going from Strongest all the way down to Weakest.
I'll also be discussing some other things, full blog of this is here.
- Overlord can shave an inch off a planet (High 6-A)
- Mega-Toraxxis Refinery Explosion (High 6-A)
- Sixshot razes a world (High 6-A)
- Reapers also raze a world (High 6-A)
- Darkwind implies Thunderwing could destroy everything on nebulos, and that Thunderwing also devastated Cybertron single-handedly (Likely High 6-A)
- Megatron has civilization destroying capacities (Likely High 6-A)
- Galvatron survives a weapon designed to absolutely pulverise comets (6-C)
- Megatron can destroy a city while his rail gun is uncharged (At least 7-B, likely higher)
- Megatron, and some other characters survive a kinetic harpoon, a weapon stronger than a tactical nuclear weapon (At least 7-B, likely higher)
- Arcee violently yeets Galvatron to the ground (It's likely higher because of the big explosion, but for now, 8-A)
- Megatron survives re-entry while incredibly damaged (At least 8-A)
- Devastator knocks over a skyscraper (High 8-C)
- Megatron flexes on starscream and destroys a skyscraper (High 8-C)
- Astrotrain flies 640 light years (Massively FTL+)
- Cosmos travels 5 light-hours. Prowl orders him back at full speed near night-time and he's there within the same night. Shortly after the talk with Cosmos, Prime says he'll get to Bikini Atoll in 15 minutes, and Cosmos doesn't arrive that far after. (FTL+)
- Omega Supreme travels from Earth to Cybertron in Chaos Theory, passing planets on the journey (At least FTL)
- Astrotrain and cosmos fly at superluminal and Optimus and Soundwave catch up to them (Relativistic+ to possibly FTL)
- Arcee dodges a laser (Relativistic+)
- Metroplex flies off planet in his alt-mode (High-Hypersonic+)
- Thundercracker flies to space (High-Hypersonic+)
- Jetfire flies to space (High-Hypersonic+)
- Arcee re-enters atmosphere (High-Hypersonic)
- Cosmos intercepts a nuke in the mid-flight phase, which travel near mach 20. (Hypersonic+)
- Optimus is fast for a Truck (Subsonic+)
Attack Potency: Varies from At most City level (Survived a Kinetic Harpoon, which could harm Megatron, who could destroy a City) to Multi-Continent level (Survived the Toraxxis Mega Refinery Explosion), ignores conventional durability with the Matrix of Leadership | Varies from At least City level (Stronger than before) to At least Multi-Continent level (Could one-shot Bludgeon, who could contend with Optimus before. Stomped Nova Prime, who overpowered him prior) | Varies from At least City level to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Varies from At most City level to Multi-Continent level | Varies from At least City level+ to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before) | Varies from At least City level+ to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Keys: Pre-Dark Cybertron | Post-Dark Cybertron | Optimus Maximus
Megatron
Attack Potency: Varies from At most City level (Comparable to Optimus Prime) to Multi-Continent level (Superior to the likes of the reapers, who can raze entire worlds) | Varies from At least City level (Could destroy a City while his rail gun was uncharged) to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Durabilty: Varies from At most City level (Comparable to Optimus Prime) to Multi-Continent level (Comparable to Optimus Prime, who survived the Toraxxis Mega Refinery Explosion) | Varies from At least City level to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Keys: Base | Stealth Bomber
Regenesis shockwave (Drew enormous amounts of energy from the Dead Universe since its creation, resulting in the dimension's lifeless state. Has complete control over space and time. Planned to revert all of history to a singularity where concepts, such as physics, time and space, would have never existed) (According to Nova Prime, Shockwave's plan would have combined all universes into one)
Low 2-C:
D-void (By virtue of being a universe)
4-B:
Unicron (Absorbed multiple stars and a supermassive black hole)
5-A:
Functionist primus (By virtue of sheer size)
At least 7-B+ to At least High 6-A:
Thunderwing (Far superior to Trypticon, Omega supreme, the phase sixers, Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus and Decepticon Megatron, has been stated it'll take a planetary nuke to kill him)
Metroplex/ Trypticon (Superior to and casually defeated the likes of Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, sixshot, and monstructor)
At least 7-B to At least High 6-A:
Optimus maximus/ Enigma Devastator (Enigma devastator easily overpowered Galvatron, Optimus Maximus should be superior to Post-Dark Cybertron Optimus and is comparable to Enigma devastator)
Post-Dark Cybertron Optimus/Stealth Bomber Megatron (Stomped Nova prime after regaining his confidence. SB megs is far stronger than before, and has implied multiple times that he could easily kill Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, the Deceptigod could heavily injure SB Megatron. Optimus one-shot bludgeon, who could previously contend with him. Megatron is stronger with full armour)
At Least 7-B to High 6-A:
Nova prime (Overpowered Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus)
Black shadow (Overpowered both Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus and Ultra Magnus)
Omega supreme/ Monstructor (Omega Supreme easily overpowered Devastator, Monstructor is comparable if not superior to Omega Supreme)
Devastator (Devastator is comparable if not superior to Base Megatron)
Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus/ Decepticon Megatron/ Sixshot (Tarn implied Megatron is far superior to him, Pre-Dark Cybertron optimus is comparable to Base Megatron. Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus was able to harm Sixshot. Optimus defeated monstructor, although he striked him at his weak spot. Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus survived getting crushed by Trypticon, albeit getting heavily injured. Optimus can ignore conventional durability via the matrix. Megatron is superior to some of the reapers, who are comparable if not superior to Sixshot)
Sixshot (Contended with Optimus Prime, survived getting smashed by Metroplex, albeit he got heavily injured)
Shockwave, Higher with rage (Held his own against the Dinobots in his base state. When in rage, He could overpowered all the dinobots. One-shot a very weakened titan, who should be comparable to Metroplex)
Galvatron/ Arcee (Galvatron held their own against Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, Arcee is comparable to Galvatron)
Grimlock (Superior to tarn. Grimlock fought against decepticon megatron, mangled Tarn's face)
Overlord (Messed around with Tarn)
Tarn (Could harm Grimlock)
Soundwave (Stalemated shockwave, although shockwave was holding back, could harm Galvatron)
As shown above, Astrotrain was able to move at MFTL+ at top speed, however I'm unsure if this scales to anyone. At best, it might give these characters "Possibly MFTL+".
Unicron has FTL+ travel speed. I’m not sure how fast is traversing from star system to star system is, I'm using this base off the multiversal Unicron, who does the same thing.
Movement speed should be changed to Subsonic+ scaling from Optimus above.
All phase sixers, Soundwave, Optimus are getting FTL+ flight speed.
Arcee, Galvatron and SB megs are getting High-Hypersonic+ flight speed.
- Optimus, Soundwave, Arcee and Galvatron should receive flight.
- Characters should have resistance to ice manipulation, acid manipulation and fire manipulation as they are resistant to extreme cold, lava and heat, as well as acid.
- Characters should have Low regeneration as they can heal small wounds in a shot amount of time.
- Power bestowal for the matrix
- Optimus prime's keys should be changed to Pre-Dark Cybertron and Post-Dark Cybertron.
- Autobot Megatron's key should be removed.
- It's likely that Optimus holds back against a lot of his enemies and has been stated to only go all out against the likes Megatron, Thunderwing and Nova (It wasn't until all hail Optimus that Optimus decides he should end Galvatron, as previously he has tried to reason with Galvatron). Megatron states that whenever Optimus hurts others, he hurts himself. This is very true as Megatron states he know Optimus better than anyone. Optimus is also a pacifist.
- I feel like some of the profile pics should be changed, as some look horrible. *cough, Devastator. New Profile pctures: Optimus Prime, Optimus Maximus, Decepticon Megatron, Autobot Megatron, Devastator
- I made a prototype profile for the Elder Gods
- The much stronger feats tend to come from writers such as Simon Furman, John Barber and James Roberts, while the much weaker feats seem to come from Shane Mcarthy, Mike Costa or the later phase 2 writers.
- This note should be plastered on all the IDW profiles.
Note: Due to the inconsistency of IDW, all characters have a varied rating on their profiles due to how several writers handle the powers of the Transformers differently. Majority of IDW's top feats are consistently in the Tier 7 to Tier 6 range, and so, they are listed as such.
I'll change the chart and other things accordingly when there will be changes.
Thoughts?
It's in order going from Strongest all the way down to Weakest.
I'll also be discussing some other things, full blog of this is here.
Most Notable IDW Feats
- Unicron absorbs a supermassive black hole and multiple stars and threatens the stability of the galaxy (4-B via this calc)- Overlord can shave an inch off a planet (High 6-A)
- Mega-Toraxxis Refinery Explosion (High 6-A)
- Sixshot razes a world (High 6-A)
- Reapers also raze a world (High 6-A)
- Darkwind implies Thunderwing could destroy everything on nebulos, and that Thunderwing also devastated Cybertron single-handedly (Likely High 6-A)
- Megatron has civilization destroying capacities (Likely High 6-A)
- Galvatron survives a weapon designed to absolutely pulverise comets (6-C)
- Megatron can destroy a city while his rail gun is uncharged (At least 7-B, likely higher)
- Megatron, and some other characters survive a kinetic harpoon, a weapon stronger than a tactical nuclear weapon (At least 7-B, likely higher)
- Arcee violently yeets Galvatron to the ground (It's likely higher because of the big explosion, but for now, 8-A)
- Megatron survives re-entry while incredibly damaged (At least 8-A)
- Devastator knocks over a skyscraper (High 8-C)
- Megatron flexes on starscream and destroys a skyscraper (High 8-C)
- Astrotrain flies 640 light years (Massively FTL+)
- Cosmos travels 5 light-hours. Prowl orders him back at full speed near night-time and he's there within the same night. Shortly after the talk with Cosmos, Prime says he'll get to Bikini Atoll in 15 minutes, and Cosmos doesn't arrive that far after. (FTL+)
- Omega Supreme travels from Earth to Cybertron in Chaos Theory, passing planets on the journey (At least FTL)
- Astrotrain and cosmos fly at superluminal and Optimus and Soundwave catch up to them (Relativistic+ to possibly FTL)
- Arcee dodges a laser (Relativistic+)
- Metroplex flies off planet in his alt-mode (High-Hypersonic+)
- Thundercracker flies to space (High-Hypersonic+)
- Jetfire flies to space (High-Hypersonic+)
- Arcee re-enters atmosphere (High-Hypersonic)
- Cosmos intercepts a nuke in the mid-flight phase, which travel near mach 20. (Hypersonic+)
- Optimus is fast for a Truck (Subsonic+)
New AP
Optimus PrimeAttack Potency: Varies from At most City level (Survived a Kinetic Harpoon, which could harm Megatron, who could destroy a City) to Multi-Continent level (Survived the Toraxxis Mega Refinery Explosion), ignores conventional durability with the Matrix of Leadership | Varies from At least City level (Stronger than before) to At least Multi-Continent level (Could one-shot Bludgeon, who could contend with Optimus before. Stomped Nova Prime, who overpowered him prior) | Varies from At least City level to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Durability: Varies from At most City level to Multi-Continent level | Varies from At least City level+ to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before) | Varies from At least City level+ to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Keys: Pre-Dark Cybertron | Post-Dark Cybertron | Optimus Maximus
Megatron
Attack Potency: Varies from At most City level (Comparable to Optimus Prime) to Multi-Continent level (Superior to the likes of the reapers, who can raze entire worlds) | Varies from At least City level (Could destroy a City while his rail gun was uncharged) to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Durabilty: Varies from At most City level (Comparable to Optimus Prime) to Multi-Continent level (Comparable to Optimus Prime, who survived the Toraxxis Mega Refinery Explosion) | Varies from At least City level to At least Multi-Continent level (Stronger than before)
Keys: Base | Stealth Bomber
IDW scaling
Low 2-C, Possibly 2-C:Regenesis shockwave (Drew enormous amounts of energy from the Dead Universe since its creation, resulting in the dimension's lifeless state. Has complete control over space and time. Planned to revert all of history to a singularity where concepts, such as physics, time and space, would have never existed) (According to Nova Prime, Shockwave's plan would have combined all universes into one)
Low 2-C:
D-void (By virtue of being a universe)
4-B:
Unicron (Absorbed multiple stars and a supermassive black hole)
5-A:
Functionist primus (By virtue of sheer size)
At least 7-B+ to At least High 6-A:
Thunderwing (Far superior to Trypticon, Omega supreme, the phase sixers, Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus and Decepticon Megatron, has been stated it'll take a planetary nuke to kill him)
Metroplex/ Trypticon (Superior to and casually defeated the likes of Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, sixshot, and monstructor)
At least 7-B to At least High 6-A:
Optimus maximus/ Enigma Devastator (Enigma devastator easily overpowered Galvatron, Optimus Maximus should be superior to Post-Dark Cybertron Optimus and is comparable to Enigma devastator)
Post-Dark Cybertron Optimus/Stealth Bomber Megatron (Stomped Nova prime after regaining his confidence. SB megs is far stronger than before, and has implied multiple times that he could easily kill Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, the Deceptigod could heavily injure SB Megatron. Optimus one-shot bludgeon, who could previously contend with him. Megatron is stronger with full armour)
At Least 7-B to High 6-A:
Nova prime (Overpowered Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus)
Black shadow (Overpowered both Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus and Ultra Magnus)
Omega supreme/ Monstructor (Omega Supreme easily overpowered Devastator, Monstructor is comparable if not superior to Omega Supreme)
Devastator (Devastator is comparable if not superior to Base Megatron)
Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus/ Decepticon Megatron/ Sixshot (Tarn implied Megatron is far superior to him, Pre-Dark Cybertron optimus is comparable to Base Megatron. Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus was able to harm Sixshot. Optimus defeated monstructor, although he striked him at his weak spot. Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus survived getting crushed by Trypticon, albeit getting heavily injured. Optimus can ignore conventional durability via the matrix. Megatron is superior to some of the reapers, who are comparable if not superior to Sixshot)
Sixshot (Contended with Optimus Prime, survived getting smashed by Metroplex, albeit he got heavily injured)
Shockwave, Higher with rage (Held his own against the Dinobots in his base state. When in rage, He could overpowered all the dinobots. One-shot a very weakened titan, who should be comparable to Metroplex)
Galvatron/ Arcee (Galvatron held their own against Pre-Dark Cybertron Optimus, Arcee is comparable to Galvatron)
Grimlock (Superior to tarn. Grimlock fought against decepticon megatron, mangled Tarn's face)
Overlord (Messed around with Tarn)
Tarn (Could harm Grimlock)
Soundwave (Stalemated shockwave, although shockwave was holding back, could harm Galvatron)
Speed
Flight speed should be changed to FTL+ for speed, combat and reactions. Basically, as stated earlier, Cosmos has an FTL+ feat, Cosmos could catch up to Astrotrain, and Optimus and Soundwave were able to catch up to him in a short amount of time, and the seekers are comparable to Astrotrain in speed while Overlord and presumably the other phase sixers and SB megs are comparable to the seekers. Galvatron was able to gun down cosmos while cosmos was chasing Astrotrain.As shown above, Astrotrain was able to move at MFTL+ at top speed, however I'm unsure if this scales to anyone. At best, it might give these characters "Possibly MFTL+".
Unicron has FTL+ travel speed. I’m not sure how fast is traversing from star system to star system is, I'm using this base off the multiversal Unicron, who does the same thing.
Movement speed should be changed to Subsonic+ scaling from Optimus above.
All phase sixers, Soundwave, Optimus are getting FTL+ flight speed.
Arcee, Galvatron and SB megs are getting High-Hypersonic+ flight speed.
Additional Abilities
- LordTracer has pointed out that IDW characters can get stronger with emotional amps. Such examples are Optimus, Megatron, Shockwave and Tailgate. They should be given Reactive Power level and Awakened Power.- Optimus, Soundwave, Arcee and Galvatron should receive flight.
- Characters should have resistance to ice manipulation, acid manipulation and fire manipulation as they are resistant to extreme cold, lava and heat, as well as acid.
- Characters should have Low regeneration as they can heal small wounds in a shot amount of time.
- Power bestowal for the matrix
New Power of the verse
Arguably the overall strongest Transformers verse (excluding the multiverse characters), the IDW versions of the characters possess City level to Multi-Continent levels of Attack Potency. Mid tiers such as Functionist Primus reach Large Planet level via sheer size, while others like Unicron reach Solar System level. Top tiers include the D-Void at Universe level+. Regenesis Shockwave stands alone as the God tier of the verse, with Universe level+ Attack Potency, possibly even Low multiverse level. Speed is pretty great for the verse, coming in at Subsonic+ movement speed, scaling from Optimus Prime, FTL+ flight, combat and reaction speed, scaling from Astrotrain, Cosmos and Galvatron. Numerous powers and abilities are collected between these Transformers, including Megatron's Antimatter Manipulation, Nova Prime's Death Manipulation, and wide variety of powers granted by Shockwave's Regenesis Ores. All in all, this verse is powerful.Notes
- Going by feats, Functionist Primus is not as impressive as Unicron. Unicron also literally destroyed cybertron so...- Optimus prime's keys should be changed to Pre-Dark Cybertron and Post-Dark Cybertron.
- Autobot Megatron's key should be removed.
- It's likely that Optimus holds back against a lot of his enemies and has been stated to only go all out against the likes Megatron, Thunderwing and Nova (It wasn't until all hail Optimus that Optimus decides he should end Galvatron, as previously he has tried to reason with Galvatron). Megatron states that whenever Optimus hurts others, he hurts himself. This is very true as Megatron states he know Optimus better than anyone. Optimus is also a pacifist.
- I feel like some of the profile pics should be changed, as some look horrible. *cough, Devastator. New Profile pctures: Optimus Prime, Optimus Maximus, Decepticon Megatron, Autobot Megatron, Devastator
- I made a prototype profile for the Elder Gods
- The much stronger feats tend to come from writers such as Simon Furman, John Barber and James Roberts, while the much weaker feats seem to come from Shane Mcarthy, Mike Costa or the later phase 2 writers.
- This note should be plastered on all the IDW profiles.
Note: Due to the inconsistency of IDW, all characters have a varied rating on their profiles due to how several writers handle the powers of the Transformers differently. Majority of IDW's top feats are consistently in the Tier 7 to Tier 6 range, and so, they are listed as such.
I'll change the chart and other things accordingly when there will be changes.
Thoughts?
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