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This match is now rendered a stomp in Gunvolt's Favor. Requesting a close.
Due to Prevasion being 4D. Zero is incapable of hitting Moebius, while Moebius can activate Astral Order at any time.
Remember this thread? Now it’s possible. Well, only in a certain way. I'm not exactly using Gunvolt here
Both are the protagonists of the masterpieces of INTI Creates, the ones behind the Mega Man Zero / ZX series and its spiritual successor, the Azure Striker Gunvolt series. Naturally, people would match these two up together. But considering they're made from the same company, at least the versions we are using- I made a little story for this- of course, you can skip it, but it's for fun.
Zero is transported into a strange sand castle… and in front of him, the Azure Striker desperately tries to keep things together. The young man calls out-
“In every… future…! It’ll all be destroyed… by-!”
Gunvolt shouts…
“Zero… KILL ME…!”
The Red Hero is unaware of what truly is happening, but if this person somehow knows his name... he knows exactly what he’s talking about. He can’t be saved.
Z-Saber in hand, the only thing he can do for his spiritual successor now is…
Put him out of his misery.
Rules:
Speed Equal
In-Character (so no using Astral Order or killing Cyber Elves immediately)
10 Meters apart, Location is Sunrise Palace (so, the image above)
No Prior Knowledge
SPECIFICALLY Zero Series Zero
SPECIFICALLY Moebius Controlling Gunvolt- NOT GUNVOLT WITH CONTROL OVER ASTRAL ORDER
Points Brought Up / Obvious Points / Notes
(Or anything that comes to mind for me that I feel should be known)
First off, some notes:
Both in-character, so Zero will likely not just start killing off Cyber Elves for the sake of victory- especially when he gets that Gunvolt is weaker than him, and Gunvolt will try to prevent Moebius from using Astral Order as long as he can.
Zero CAN hit Gunvolt through Prevasion.
Prevasion, due to being 4D as well as Layered, makes Zero unable to hit Moebius
However, thanks to Mid-G Regen, the AP difference does NOT matter here as much as one would think. GV’s Mid-G Regen is tricky: Gunvolt WANTS to die (Zero is fighting Moebius, NOT Gunvolt), as noted in the Weaknesses section (of Moebius’s profile, which is the one we’re using). While Moebius is controlling him, it might be active, but when Gunvolt takes enough damage (he’ll be fine because Mid-G), he’ll drop to the ground to let Moebius out for a time (Mid-G probably no longer exists here)- that’s Zero’s chance. Galvanic Renewal won’t do anything here, while it does revive Moebius-GV to full HP even at 0 HP, this is just game mechanics.
If Moebius-Gunvolt uses Astral Order, the match WILL be over, and he uses it relatively early… Zero won’t have much time to get his kill before Gunvolt loses control and Moebius just uses that. No amount of resurrections will help against this, Zero would just die, die, and die again- just like how Kirin would even after Elise Ressurects her
Another note, in gameplay, Astral Order is only triggered when Gunvolt manages to pop out Moebius from his body for the first time- but in lore, it’s really just “I can’t control it anymore”. So in reality we technically have an unquantifiable time limit in which Zero has to kill Gunvolt- technically, Moebius-GV can press the win button at any time, just not immediately when the fight starts.
Kirin in this scenario (who Zero is replacing), basically gives GV a pep-talk that makes GV try harder to hang in there to not use Astral Order, it didn’t last for long, but it’s there- in fact, Gunvolt’s response to her pep talk and having faith in her ability is “I’ll use my Azure Striker to make an opening (when GV ejects Moebius out), after that, it’s all up to you Kirin (Zero)”. Zero may not be in character to give that kind of talk, so maybe GV could lose control earlier. But I’d say he’d still… try to do what he did with Kirin.
This match is not skewed to anyone’s advantage (if anything, it’s skewed to MGV’s favor because distance and speed equal)- as we are using Moebius’s profile, NOT Gunvolt’s profile, which would have all the weaknesses necessary for Zero to have a win condition (such as not starting with Astral Order and Mid-G Regeneration). Otherwise, Gunvolt stomps.
This match is not a stomp despite the AP disparities. Their win conditions are simply different, Zero with AP and GV with hax.
Zero
Pros
Note: Unaware of Moebius’s existence, only sees Gunvolt at the moment- could be unaware of what to do after ejecting Moebius out, though Gunvolt will say “(Zero), now…!” in character.
Note: Time Stopper won’t help as it takes the form of a buster shot that GV can dodge, Zero might as well use a normal buster
Moebius-Gunvolt
Pros
Due to Prevasion being 4D. Zero is incapable of hitting Moebius, while Moebius can activate Astral Order at any time.
Remember this thread? Now it’s possible. Well, only in a certain way. I'm not exactly using Gunvolt here
Both are the protagonists of the masterpieces of INTI Creates, the ones behind the Mega Man Zero / ZX series and its spiritual successor, the Azure Striker Gunvolt series. Naturally, people would match these two up together. But considering they're made from the same company, at least the versions we are using- I made a little story for this- of course, you can skip it, but it's for fun.
It was but another day in the resistance base- Zero had just defeated Omega, and had a new weapon placed into his hands, the Z-Knuckle. After his hard fought battles to recognize himself as the true Zero, he’s felt somewhat at peace knowing he’d always be the real deal, even though Weil’s threat still continued.
But suddenly, Ciel calls Zero into the command room, something urgent is at play, by the look on her face, it’s not looking good.
“A strange phenomenon has shown up on our scanners, space-time is warping considerably…, as if our world is about to collide with another… I’m not sure what we’re supposed do…”
The monitor flickers, surging with azure electricity-
He looks nothing like a Reploid, but it looks like he’s far different from any normal human now. He’s not of this world, yet he’s so desperate to be asking for help from another…
Space swells
Is this person related?
The operators notice that something is trying to hack into their teleporters… they start panicking to lock this person out.
“Let him.” Zero says- aware of who is doing it, as he walks onto the teleporter.
Zero… knows who this is- he doesn’t get how, only that there is a similar “spiritual bond” between them- he almost feels like a “father” to this person in some way. He feels as though it is his responsibility to help someone he mysteriously knows so well.
But suddenly, Ciel calls Zero into the command room, something urgent is at play, by the look on her face, it’s not looking good.
“A strange phenomenon has shown up on our scanners, space-time is warping considerably…, as if our world is about to collide with another… I’m not sure what we’re supposed do…”
The monitor flickers, surging with azure electricity-
He looks nothing like a Reploid, but it looks like he’s far different from any normal human now. He’s not of this world, yet he’s so desperate to be asking for help from another…
Space swells
Is this person related?
The operators notice that something is trying to hack into their teleporters… they start panicking to lock this person out.
“Let him.” Zero says- aware of who is doing it, as he walks onto the teleporter.
Zero… knows who this is- he doesn’t get how, only that there is a similar “spiritual bond” between them- he almost feels like a “father” to this person in some way. He feels as though it is his responsibility to help someone he mysteriously knows so well.
Zero is transported into a strange sand castle… and in front of him, the Azure Striker desperately tries to keep things together. The young man calls out-
“In every… future…! It’ll all be destroyed… by-!”
Gunvolt shouts…
“Zero… KILL ME…!”
The Red Hero is unaware of what truly is happening, but if this person somehow knows his name... he knows exactly what he’s talking about. He can’t be saved.
Z-Saber in hand, the only thing he can do for his spiritual successor now is…
Put him out of his misery.
Mega Man Zero (Zero Series): XMark, Parz-B, SoulX, Migue, Kaio | Moebius Possessing Gunvolt Not Gunvolt himself- Moebius |
AP: Stomps | AP: Irrelevant |
Inconclusive: |
Speed Equal
In-Character (so no using Astral Order or killing Cyber Elves immediately)
10 Meters apart, Location is Sunrise Palace (so, the image above)
No Prior Knowledge
SPECIFICALLY Zero Series Zero
SPECIFICALLY Moebius Controlling Gunvolt- NOT GUNVOLT WITH CONTROL OVER ASTRAL ORDER
Points Brought Up / Obvious Points / Notes
(Or anything that comes to mind for me that I feel should be known)
First off, some notes:
Both in-character, so Zero will likely not just start killing off Cyber Elves for the sake of victory- especially when he gets that Gunvolt is weaker than him, and Gunvolt will try to prevent Moebius from using Astral Order as long as he can.
Prevasion, due to being 4D as well as Layered, makes Zero unable to hit Moebius
However, thanks to Mid-G Regen, the AP difference does NOT matter here as much as one would think. GV’s Mid-G Regen is tricky: Gunvolt WANTS to die (Zero is fighting Moebius, NOT Gunvolt), as noted in the Weaknesses section (of Moebius’s profile, which is the one we’re using). While Moebius is controlling him, it might be active, but when Gunvolt takes enough damage (he’ll be fine because Mid-G), he’ll drop to the ground to let Moebius out for a time (Mid-G probably no longer exists here)- that’s Zero’s chance. Galvanic Renewal won’t do anything here, while it does revive Moebius-GV to full HP even at 0 HP, this is just game mechanics.
If Moebius-Gunvolt uses Astral Order, the match WILL be over, and he uses it relatively early… Zero won’t have much time to get his kill before Gunvolt loses control and Moebius just uses that. No amount of resurrections will help against this, Zero would just die, die, and die again- just like how Kirin would even after Elise Ressurects her
Another note, in gameplay, Astral Order is only triggered when Gunvolt manages to pop out Moebius from his body for the first time- but in lore, it’s really just “I can’t control it anymore”. So in reality we technically have an unquantifiable time limit in which Zero has to kill Gunvolt- technically, Moebius-GV can press the win button at any time, just not immediately when the fight starts.
Kirin in this scenario (who Zero is replacing), basically gives GV a pep-talk that makes GV try harder to hang in there to not use Astral Order, it didn’t last for long, but it’s there- in fact, Gunvolt’s response to her pep talk and having faith in her ability is “I’ll use my Azure Striker to make an opening (when GV ejects Moebius out), after that, it’s all up to you Kirin (Zero)”. Zero may not be in character to give that kind of talk, so maybe GV could lose control earlier. But I’d say he’d still… try to do what he did with Kirin.
This match is not skewed to anyone’s advantage (if anything, it’s skewed to MGV’s favor because distance and speed equal)- as we are using Moebius’s profile, NOT Gunvolt’s profile, which would have all the weaknesses necessary for Zero to have a win condition (such as not starting with Astral Order and Mid-G Regeneration). Otherwise, Gunvolt stomps.
This match is not a stomp despite the AP disparities. Their win conditions are simply different, Zero with AP and GV with hax.
Zero
Pros
- Has hit electrons, and can likely hit through Prevasion due to this.
- Massive AP lets him achieve his win condition in a manner of moments- none of GV’s defenses like Astrasphere will block his attacks.
- Once GV takes enough damage, GV will eject Moebius, and he’ll get his opening to attack as Mid-G Regen will likely not be in play
- Range with his Buster
- Can’t fly, is pretty much limited to just his buster or shield boomerang due to that
- (Relatively) linear attacks that can straight up miss against a teleporter
- Has a time limit until he auto-loses, that is unquantifiable and can basically happen at any time, isn't aware of this
Note: Unaware of Moebius’s existence, only sees Gunvolt at the moment- could be unaware of what to do after ejecting Moebius out, though Gunvolt will say “(Zero), now…!” in character.
Note: Time Stopper won’t help as it takes the form of a buster shot that GV can dodge, Zero might as well use a normal buster
Moebius-Gunvolt
Pros
- Teleports and flies (with sudden speed boosts) around so Zero will have a hard time reaching with melee attacks, and most Buster Shots will miss with teleportation. So he can technically camp.
- Moebius is very instinctual to threats and may sense Zero’s power to pull off the above tip
- Spark Dash let’s him basically split up into pieces to move around people and objects, so Zero will have a hard time meleeing him
- Nothing but Astral Order works, Zero has resistance to hacking unless proven that GV's is Layered
- Gets one shot (technically two shot)
- Gunvolt WANTS to die in character, therefore Moebius’s actions, especially using Astral Order and Mid-G Regen, will be limited for a time
- Due to the above, does not use Astral Order right away
- Same with Precognition, won't really matter if Astral Order isn't used
- Mid-G Regen basically doesn't exist
- Prevasion doesn't work
- Any barrier defense doesn't work
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