Mechikabura vs Palkia

[The_real_cal_howard]

Scales above baseline 4D.

But mindhax working on the Creation Gods ain't gonna work.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

So yeah, not gonna work here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

So er...I completely forgot Palkia has Heal Block...

So...er...negate regen and then spatial bisection.

 

[AwkguyDB]

So what about Power Nulling or Sealing?

 

[Akreious]

So er...I completely forgot Palkia has Heal Block...
So...er...negate regen and then spatial bisection.

Uhh, no. HARD NOPE.

"Can nullify any form of healing or Regenerationn with Heal Block (It has been shown to be effective up to Mid-High Rege)"

You're assuming Palkia's Heal Block is able to affect something WELL above its paygrade and anything above what it's demonstrated is almost certainly headcanon.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I haven't seen an actual argument against Passive Absorption

 

[Everything12]

How is the passive Aborption shown in the games?

 

[Akreious]

How is the passive Aborption shown in the games?

Pretty sure it was Manga-Only and it sort of just... happens.

When Trunks and the Time Patrol was absorbed, it happened in an instant to their eyes. It was one second staring down Mechikabura IIRC and then it's just... poof. Trunks even went ahead and said "Wait what just happened".

 

[Everything12]

It might be me but this doesn't look passive, it looks like Mechi has to actively create this sphere that turns into a black hole that absorbs them

 

[Akreious]

It might be me but this doesn't look passive, it looks like Mechi has to actively create this sphere that turns into a black hole that absorbs them

Actually sorry, apparently the passive thing is NOT in the manga as I remembered it; it IS in the games as in this link

Although it's been years since I've read that amount of kanji so I can't specify. Maybe you can? Or hopefully we can drag another knowledgeable to translate

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Uhh, no. HARD NOPE.

"Can nullify any form of healing or Regenerationn with Heal Block (It has been shown to be effective up to Mid-High Rege)"

You're assuming Palkia's Heal Block is able to affect something WELL above its paygrade and anything above what it's demonstrated is almost certainly headcanon.

I thought so as well until I realized there's no regen level on his profile. Just types 3 and 8 immortality. I wouldn't have brought up up otherwise.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I know he can Regen. I'm just as surprised as you.

 

[Akreious]

Actually yeah it's weird how there's no listed regen on his profile.

It should probably be Low-Godly (Able to regenerate as long as his devoured Time exists) or something to that effect as it's reliant on... well... the time he's devoured.

Edit: Actually thinking on it more, it's probably Mid-Godly since the Time Patrollers can destroy and erase Space-Times and yet Mechikabura would regenerate no matter what they do.

 

[Dragopentling]

Immortality and Regenerationn should both be included, then. Though I question the potency of Heal Block since it seems to be derived from game mechanics. But I guess I could be just completely wrong. Also, resistance to EE? Was there a scan for that??

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

that is scaling that is allowed for demon's God.

 

[Dragopentling]

"limitless Regenerationn" after absorbing time? Umm, I would scream NLF here, but I step back from that from now.

Also, Dark King key doesn't have Immortality Type 3 and 8. And this thread indicating Dark King used? Hmmm.....

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

Pretty sure this thread is intended to use both at their strongest and Dark King was Mechi's strongest form before Time Power Unleashed came in.

 

[Dragopentling]

Pretty sure this thread is intended to use both at their strongest and Dark King was Mechi's strongest form before Time Power Unleashed came in.

Doesn't mean Dark King automatically has Immortality Types 3 and 8 just because it's his strongest form. It's been clearly indicated on his profile that it's only applies to his final form, unless that sh** is outdated.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

@Dragopentling

You clearly misunderstood what I said. I never said anything about Dark King should get Type 3 or 8. What I'm saying here is that the OP intended to use both at their strongest and Dark King was Mechi's strongest form until he had Time Power Unleashed. And if we go by that, the OP is meant to use Time Power Unleashed currently.

 

[Dragopentling]

Ahhhhh ok my bad.

I'm just wondering why the changes weren't visibly made, so I got confused

 

[Akreious]

"limitless Regenerationn" after absorbing time? Umm, I would scream NLF here, but I step back from that from now.

Ehhh I wouldn't focus on the limitless part and look at its feats.

Mechikabura is stated to be unkillable by the Time Patrol even though its members comprises of people who can easily wipe Space-Times, including the one Mechikabura is within (or not within). Pretty sure this easily implies Mid-Godly as the requirement for Mid-Godly is coming back after both you and the reality you're within is erased, which Mechikabura would qualify for.

So for the purposes of this thread, with Time Power Unleashed Demigra, Palkia will need feats for blocking Mid-Godly.

 

[Everything12]

Palkia can also create a bubble of Bent Space to trap Mechikabura in.

 

[Akreious]

Palkia can also create a bubble of Bent Space to trap Mechikabura in.

Against Mechikabura who eats Space and Time...?

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

I should note, Demigra was helping the time patrol. And even he had no way of getting passed Mechikabura's Regenerationn. He literally asked the dragon to give powers that completely counteract Mechikabura, and he still couldn't harm him.

I see no way Palkia wins this easily. Mechikabura just stands there and absorbs away

 

[StrymULTRA]

Given this:

If Palkia gets Type 1 AE it stomps

If Palkia doesen't, gets stomped

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Given the state of the thread, Palkia isn't getting AE

 

[StrymULTRA]

Considering that the thread is focused on too much things, yeah it likely doesen't, we should do a thread focused on just them getting AE

 

[Everything12]

You can do that if you want, I'm kinda spent out on being the OP of a CRT, beats me how people keep doing that, so that probably best.

 

[Dragopentling]

So put this on hold or just close anyway?

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

So what's the level of Mechi's Regenerationn?

 

[GyroNutz]

Pretty sure this easily implies Mid-Godly as the requirement for Mid-Godly is coming back after both you and the reality you're within is erased, which Mechikabura would qualify for.

This got canned a while back (and was the requirement of High Godly), Mid-Godly is coming back after the complete destruction of their body + soul/mind. Mechikabura surviving timeline erasure is just a void manip resistance feat.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

So put this on hold or just close anyway?

I mean, it's a stomp either way. But I think this should stay opened because there are people who still want their opinions here.

 

[Dragopentling]

So put this on hold or just close anyway?

I mean, it's a stomp either way. But I think this should stay opened because there are people who still want their opinions here.

Ahh fair enough.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

It seems that AE was rejected by staff. Looks like Mechi just absorbs and stomps then.

 

[AwkguyDB]

guess this can be closed then lol

 

[Dragopentling]

Yea, even if Palkia was granted it, it'd be a stomp either way.

Basically this was a simple mismatch.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

But Palkia didn't get it. So unless someone want to argue AE type 1 in the future, he's not gonna stomp anytime soon.

 

[Akreious]

Pretty sure this easily implies Mid-Godly as the requirement for Mid-Godly is coming back after both you and the reality you're within is erased, which Mechikabura would qualify for.

This got canned a while back (and was the requirement of High Godly), Mid-Godly is coming back after the complete destruction of their body + soul/mind. Mechikabura surviving timeline erasure is just a void manip resistance feat.

Ah okay. So still Low-Godly via relying on his Devoured Time and for the intents and purposes of this thread, beyond what Palkia's Heal Block can deal with.

 

[Rose_of_Ragnarok]

This should be closed since it's a stomp in Mechi's favor.

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Rather go for Giratina instead of palkia but,

 

[Everything12]

Giratina has fun time Anti-Matter conceptual stuff that ended the Grand Priest.