MCU: The Fifth Dimension should scale to 6-D

[Naeem0304]

Ah. If the Observational Plane were under assault, the only reason The Watcher wouldn't contact us is because he can't.

Something must have happened to him. And we need to go to the Fifth Dimension to find out what.

Uh, I'm sorry, as in, The Watcher's home world?

I mean, is that even allowed? I'm just sayin', like...

Captain, the Fifth Dimension is not just some other universe, it is a higher plane of existence.

Now, just to chart our course alone, this ship's gonna need one hell of an upgrade. I mean, you'd have to bind the ship to some sort of a Fifth-Dimensional, uh... material.

Now according to What If Season 3 Episode 7, the Fifth Dimension is "not just some other universe", but a higher plane of existence altogether, with Byride needing an energy source from said to dimension to actually travel there given it's superiority to other realms.

Why is this noteworthy?

We still have those reset charges we stole from the TVA.

If things go sideways, we prune his universe.

Minutes later, Storm mentions how they stole reset charges from the TVA.

Now of course, a good counterargument would be to say the TVA simply stopped them from inside the Multiverse, however, do remember What If Season's 2- 3 take place after Loki Season 2 and the newly established TVA doesn't use them anymore (except for Professor Paradox putting charges into the Time Ripper.) The likely scenario is the Guardians of the Multiverse going into the TVA HQ, stealing discontinued prune charges, and leaving.

In the Season 2 Finale, The Watcher showed Peggy the Void at The End of Time and the Multiversal Tree; evidence he was interacting with those dimensions.

It was established the TVA and the End of Time were 6-D in this thread, so given how the trip to the Fifth Dimension required energy from that dimension because of it being a higher plane of existence, it should grant the following characters a 6-D upgrade:
1. The Watcher
2. Infinity Ultron
3. Infinity Scarlet Witch
4. Anyone imbued with the Watcher's Oath
5. Executioner, Eminence and the Incarnate.

 

[LMalone22]

I'm following

 

[AsterReal]

This seems to be fine with the naked eye.

 

[KaramcaS]

Why haven't the mcu cosmo blog and Loki profile been updated?

 

[darkphantom9805]

Now according to What If Season 3 Episode 7, the Fifth Dimension is "not just some other universe", but a higher plane of existence altogether, with Byride needing an energy source from said to dimension to actually travel there given it's superiority to other realms.

Why is this noteworthy?

Minutes later, Storm mentions how they stole reset charges from the TVA.

Now of course, a good counterargument would be to say the TVA simply stopped them from inside the Multiverse, however, do remember What If Season's 2- 3 take place after Loki Season 2 and the newly established TVA doesn't use them anymore (except for Professor Paradox putting charges into the Time Ripper.) The likely scenario is the Guardians of the Multiverse going into the TVA HQ, stealing discontinued prune charges, and leaving.

In the Season 2 Finale, The Watcher showed Peggy the Void at The End of Time and the Multiversal Tree; evidence he was interacting with those dimensions.

It was established the TVA and the End of Time were 6-D in this thread, so given how the trip to the Fifth Dimension required energy from that dimension because of it being a higher plane of existence, it should grant the following characters a 6-D upgrade:
1. The Watcher
2. Infinity Ultron
3. Infinity Scarlet Witch
4. Anyone imbued with the Watcher's Oath
5. Executioner, Eminence and the Incarnate.

wait shouldn’t they be higher then 6d because the observation plane would transcend both the TvA and the end of time which are 6d? Not even a kang chair could access the realm

Or no

 

[Naeem0304]

wait shouldn’t they be higher then 6d because the observation plane would transcend both the TvA and the end of time which are 6d? Not even a kang chair could access the realm

Or no

Logically yes, but we'd need textual evidence for either uncountable superiority over the other realms or a higher temporal dimension that views the TVA and the End of Time as lower spatial dimensions. I'm hoping the "Art of What If Season 3" could provide some information, but I doubt it.

At bare minimum, the Watcher-tier characters should scale in the same 6D range as GoS Loki (I think that's irrefutable, even if we argue Loki is the strongest MCU character besides K.E.V.I.N.)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Logically yes, but we'd need textual evidence for either uncountable superiority over the other realms or a higher temporal dimension that views the TVA and the End of Time as lower spatial dimensions. I'm hoping the "Art of What If Season 3" could provide some information, but I doubt it.

What type of evidence do we need maybe there’s something available that talks about it or implies it

it.

At bare minimum, the Watcher-tier characters should scale in the same 6D range as GoS Loki (I think that's irrefutable, even if we argue Loki is the strongest MCU character besides

Pretty sure Loki is weaker then watcher tier characters as they can rep his best feat

 

[Qomper]

What type of evidence do we need maybe there’s something available that talks about it or implies it


Pretty sure Loki is weaker then watcher tier characters as they can rep his best feat

I want to do a proper Loki upscale post but I'm new to this so I don't really know how to prompt it, but wouldn't Loki be more powerful than the watchers? I mean HWR had the power to limit the multiverse down to the Sacred Timeline using the TVA (who is aware of the Watcher) and Alioth. Loki also learned how to timeslip using his own power which is probably the most broken ability we've seen as he's able to time slip in the TVA which had no time. We saw HWR time slip Sylvie out of existence in the same space Yggdrasil now sits. The real question would be if Loki could Timeslip the watchers. I would suggest he could considering Supreme Strange was able to strip them of power completely inside his Universe.

 

[darkphantom9805]

I want to do a proper Loki upscale post but I'm new to this so I don't really know how to prompt it, but wouldn't Loki be more powerful than the watchers? I mean HWR had the power to limit the multiverse down to the Sacred Timeline using the TVA (who is aware of the Watcher) and Alioth. Loki also learned how to timeslip using his own power which is probably the most broken ability we've seen as he's able to time slip in the TVA which had no time. We saw HWR time slip Sylvie out of existence in the same space Yggdrasil now sits. The real question would be if Loki could Timeslip the watchers. I would suggest he could considering Supreme Strange was able to strip them of power completely inside his Universe.

No ? Loki best feat is the multiverse stuff which can already be replicated by infinity stone users like Wanda who with the power of the stones was going to turn the Yggdrasil into ash and build a new one in her image

 

[AyOgUyS]

Seems good at a glance. I agree.

 

[Qomper]

No ? Loki best feat is the multiverse stuff which can already be replicated by infinity stone users like Wanda who with the power of the stones was going to turn the Yggdrasil into ash and build a new one in her image

Is his best feat not surviving the erasure of everything in the multiverse and returning to a point before time was destroyed. Also Infinity Wanda is not as powerful as Loki, she could use the stones to periodically destroy the tree and recreate it but the stones don't have the power to affect the multiverse all at once like Loki holds the ability to. Even if she destroyed the tree nothing suggests that that would magically kill Loki, or that she knew of his existence and was confident he wouldn't retaliate. Also at the end of that game miss minutes expresses the ability to prune the timeline the player (who defeated Wanda) is in. This would put the TVA itself above Infinity Wanda which is supported by the fact that you cannot use the stones in the TVA.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Is his best feat not surviving the erasure of everything in the multiverse and returning to a point before time was destroyed. Also Infinity Wanda is not as powerful as Loki, she could use the stones to periodically destroy the tree and recreate it but the stones don't have the power to affect the multiverse all at once like Loki holds the ability to. Even if she destroyed the tree nothing suggests that that would magically kill Loki, or that she knew of his existence and was confident he wouldn't retaliate. Also at the end of that game miss minutes expresses the ability to prune the timeline the player (who defeated Wanda) is in. This would put the TVA itself above Infinity Wanda which is supported by the fact that you cannot use the stones in the TVA.

Nothing says the stones don’t have the power to affect it all at once and they clearly do as she was going to not only destroy it but recreate it the stones can shatter the observation plane which transcends the multiverse and is beyond it as not even kang or TvA technology can reach it

 

[ByArrow]

Bump

 

[Qomper]

Nothing says the stones don’t have the power to affect it all at once and they clearly do as she was going to not only destroy it but recreate it the stones can shatter the observation plane which transcends the multiverse and is beyond it as not even kang or TvA technology can reach it

I mean, we see in the game that she has already been enchanting the tree to destroy it when the heroes arrive. If she had the power to destroy it all at once with an explosion similar to what the loom did, she would’ve just done so. Also if the TVA has the power to nullify the stones why would we assume a location the stones have power over would be above the TVA or out of reach from TVA technology?

 

[darkphantom9805]

I mean, we see in the game that she has already been enchanting the tree to destroy it when the heroes arrive. If she had the power to destroy it all at once with an explosion similar to what the loom did, she would’ve just done so. Also if the TVA has the power to nullify the stones why would we assume a location the stones have power over would be above the TVA or out of reach from TVA technology?

Crazy late reply Wanda never has a chance to get all stones and destroy that’s why we don’t see her do it instantly she has the power to both create it and destroy it with the stones which is stated

We don’t know how the TvA barrier does it it’s also possible not every stone is same strength but the TvA also only nullified them before the stones were on they get stronger as they are actually activated they don’t scale above the stones

We assume the location has power because it’s shown TvA/kang tech was physically unable to get to the observation realm because it’s a higher plane of existence and beyond the void and TvA

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

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[Naeem0304]

This has been accepted on the new MCU Cosmology page.

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