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Mcu Spider-Man Multi Continent Level

EfeTahir7

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Mcu Spider-Man > Mark 50
Infinity war novel states that Tony was being outmatched by Cull in every way and that he knew he was losing and wouldn't hold out much longer, realizing that Cull was much more than just brute force, until he was saved by Spider-Man, who stopped Cull's hammer as if he were sealing a sticky window. He also knocked Cull out, giving him and Tony considerable time to breathe. (Tom was out of Iron Man.)



Adam Bray (Creator and Author of the MCU Glossary and Q&A Guide) states that the Iron Spider is superior to the Mark 50.


Vsbw has already accepted the Iron Man H6A. = https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Man_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe)
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Mcu Spider-Man > Mark 50
Infinity war novel states that Tony was being outmatched by Cull in every way and that he knew he was losing and wouldn't hold out much longer, realizing that Cull was much more than just brute force, until he was saved by Spider-Man, who stopped Cull's hammer as if he were sealing a sticky window. He also knocked Cull out, giving him and Tony considerable time to breathe. (Tom was out of Iron Man.)

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I will quote my self
Outliner.

Captain America managed to give Spider-Man a black eye, and Mark 8 Iron Man was able to fight Captain America,even though the Mark 8 armor wasn't designed for combat. So if we accept this, we’d be saying that the Mark 8, which wasn’t designed for combat, and Captain America are stronger than the Mark 50, which isn’t the case, and both of them have anti-feats. Also, since Peak Humans are downscales from supersoldiers, they’ll reach that level as well, and we’ll end up saying they’re stronger than Mark 50, even though they aren’t that strong and have a lot of anti-feats.
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EfeTahir7 said:
Adam Bray (Creator and Author of the MCU Glossary and Q&A Guide) states that the Iron Spider is superior to the Mark 50.


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He's talking about technology, not power.
 
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KLOL506 said:
NOT THIS AGAIN.

@Qawsedf234 @Planck69
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Technically speaking, this was closed last time because a main argument was Hulk scaling. The OP has removed that, so this CRT is a valid one.

I don't agree with it, since Spider-Man just isn't consistent enough High 6-A. Especially when eveey single solo movie he has shows demonstrably lower scaling and most crossovers show demonstrably lower scaling.
 
ByArrow said:
I will quote my self


He's talking about technology, not power.
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Spider-Man who fought Captain America was in Civil War, but the Spider-Man who was superior to the Mark 50 was in Infinity War. Yes, he's talking about technology, but these costumes are already technology-dependent, so shouldn't the more technologically advanced ones be more powerful?
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Spider-Man who fought Captain America was in Civil War, but the Spider-Man who was superior to the Mark 50 was in Infinity War. Yes, he's talking about technology, but these costumes are already technology-dependent, so shouldn't the more technologically advanced ones be more powerful?
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Prove he got stronger. Not by assumption, give me a statement.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Technically speaking, this was closed last time because a main argument was Hulk scaling. The OP has removed that, so this CRT is a valid one.

I don't agree with it, since Spider-Man just isn't consistent enough High 6-A. Especially when eveey single solo movie he has shows demonstrably lower scaling and most crossovers show demonstrably lower scaling.
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I didn't present the Hulk argument.
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Spider-Man who fought Captain America was in Civil War, but the Spider-Man who was superior to the Mark 50 was in Infinity War.
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Spider-Man didn't get any power-up between the two movies.
EfeTahir7 said:
Yes, he's talking about technology, but these costumes are already technology-dependent, so shouldn't the more technologically advanced ones be more powerful?
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Not really. More advanced technology doesn't always mean more power. It can also mean better efficiency, control, or versatility etc.
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Spider-Man who fought Captain America was in Civil War, but the Spider-Man who was superior to the Mark 50 was in Infinity War. Yes, he's talking about technology, but these costumes are already technology-dependent, so shouldn't the more technologically advanced ones be more powerful?
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You said it yourself should, should be stronger we can't even quantify that in the first place. Btw let me make a comparison to what you are saying. The katana is the superior cutting sword compared to the longsword. So this means the katana is superior to all longswords. Now does this statement hold true? Yes it does but with several caveats. First it is superior in cutting due to the curvature of the blade BUT the longsword is the superior stabbing weapon. And even after being superior it is mostly almost marginally better than a longsword but we still say it is superior here in this case don't we? Taking this example into context even if it holds true that it is as superior we don't even know by how much or in which way. It could be more versatile which would not help in AP which you are going for. It could be more intricate technology wise which again would not help your case etc. Furthermore something that is better at something can also be worse at something too like yes the katana is the better cutting sword but it is the worse stabbing sword due to it. In the end all of this is just to elaborate that this statement alone does not tells us anything at all. At least in my opinion it is to unquantifiable to justify any tier jump to your proposed tier outside of it being an outlier in the first place in the eyes of most people. Even further as someone else already stated a WoG can not be a primary source it could at most be a secondary source and we take Death of Author serious here meaning what is shown takes precedence other what is stated. And the thing that is shown does not even come close to Multi-Continent Level aside from not even fitting narratively in the work itself. To summarize no matter where one looks this proposal is so full of holes that it just does not work for your proposed tier at all.
 
The Cull Obsidian feat has been considered an outlier for a long time. You need to provide proof that Spider-Man is consistantly comparable to the top-tiers, not a one-time instance in a large team-up movie. Plus Peter instantly gets overpowered right after, and Peter gets no-diffed by other High 6-As in that same movie multiple times

As for the tweet, it doesn't look like you even put in the full context. The OP is replying to something else. What are they replying too? What is the main topic about? Is it about power? Is it about the suits own individual abilities? What is the full context? Nowhere in that tweet does it say "yeah, the Iron Spider is a stronger suit than the Mark 50 armor and could totally beat it in a fight." Even if that's what he's saying, then congradulations, you have 1 outlier feat from a movie and 1 writer out of dozens saying they're comparable. You're going to need a LOT more proof than that to get Spider-Man to High 6-A, and need to somehow explain Peter's hundreds of anti-feats, such as getting knocked out by an 8-C train, hurting his hand on a concrete pillar, barely denting a copper shield while bloodlusted, getting a black eye from Captain America, getting hurt from Shockers punches who couldn't even damage a school bus that badly, and more.

Unless Peter manages to 1v1 Hulk in Brand New Day or throws hands with Dr. Doom in Doomsday, I don't see any possible way for Spider-Man to ever be comparable to the top tiers
 
ByArrow said:
Spider-Man didn't get any power-up between the two movies.

Not really. More advanced technology doesn't always mean more power. It can also mean better efficiency, control, or versatility etc.
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I agree with second but The first part is still valid because a character is scaled to that level as they later achieve better results.
 
I agree with you about the second part, but the first part still holds true.
StrikingMosquito245 said:
You said it yourself should, should be stronger we can't even quantify that in the first place. Btw let me make a comparison to what you are saying. The katana is the superior cutting sword compared to the longsword. So this means the katana is superior to all longswords. Now does this statement hold true? Yes it does but with several caveats. First it is superior in cutting due to the curvature of the blade BUT the longsword is the superior stabbing weapon. And even after being superior it is mostly almost marginally better than a longsword but we still say it is superior here in this case don't we? Taking this example into context even if it holds true that it is as superior we don't even know by how much or in which way. It could be more versatile which would not help in AP which you are going for. It could be more intricate technology wise which again would not help your case etc. Furthermore something that is better at something can also be worse at something too like yes the katana is the better cutting sword but it is the worse stabbing sword due to it. In the end all of this is just to elaborate that this statement alone does not tells us anything at all. At least in my opinion it is to unquantifiable to justify any tier jump to your proposed tier outside of it being an outlier in the first place in the eyes of most people. Even further as someone else already stated a WoG can not be a primary source it could at most be a secondary source and we take Death of Author serious here meaning what is shown takes precedence other what is stated. And the thing that is shown does not even come close to Multi-Continent Level aside from not even fitting narratively in the work itself. To summarize no matter where one looks this proposal is so full of holes that it just does not work for your proposed tier at all.
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I agree with you about the second part, but the first part still holds true.
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
The Cull Obsidian feat has been considered an outlier for a long time. You need to provide proof that Spider-Man is consistantly comparable to the top-tiers, not a one-time instance in a large team-up movie. Plus Peter instantly gets overpowered right after, and Peter gets no-diffed by other High 6-As in that same movie multiple times

As for the tweet, it doesn't look like you even put in the full context. The OP is replying to something else. What are they replying too? What is the main topic about? Is it about power? Is it about the suits own individual abilities? What is the full context? Nowhere in that tweet does it say "yeah, the Iron Spider is a stronger suit than the Mark 50 armor and could totally beat it in a fight." Even if that's what he's saying, then congradulations, you have 1 outlier feat from a movie and 1 writer out of dozens saying they're comparable. You're going to need a LOT more proof than that to get Spider-Man to High 6-A, and need to somehow explain Peter's hundreds of anti-feats, such as getting knocked out by an 8-C train, hurting his hand on a concrete pillar, barely denting a copper shield while bloodlusted, getting a black eye from Captain America, getting hurt from Shockers punches who couldn't even damage a school bus that badly, and more.

Unless Peter manages to 1v1 Hulk in Brand New Day or throws hands with Dr. Doom in Doomsday, I don't see any possible way for Spider-Man to ever be comparable to the top tiers
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Actually, no, I don't have such an obligation because a character can be scaled to a certain level even by achieving a single success, but I agree with the second part.
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Actually, no, I don't have such an obligation because a character can be scaled to a certain level even by achieving a single success.
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Most of the times, no. They can't. The Outliers page explicitly states out why.

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Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
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KLOL506 said:
Most of the times, no. They can't. The Outliers page explicitly states out why.

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Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
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Thats scale is H6A, What outlier are you talking about?
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Actually, no, I don't have such an obligation because a character can be scaled to a certain level even by achieving a single success, but I agree with the second part.
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That is not at all how it works. Please read this page:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
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If that's how it works, we should actually scale Spider-Man to 9-B because he couldn't even destroy a stone piller or a copper shield when he punched it with his full might. I mean, all it takes is a singular feat to get them to that level, right?
EfeTahir7 said:
Thats scale is H6A, What outlier are you talking about?
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Him catching Cull Obsidian's strike. That's the outlier. He has no other feats anywhere close to comparable to that
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
That is not at all how it works. Please read this page:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Outliers

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile...
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If that's how it works, we should actually scale Spider-Man to 9-B because he couldn't even destroy a stone piller or a copper shield when he punched it with his full might. I mean, all it takes is a singular feat to get them to that level, right?

Him catching Cull Obsidian's strike. That's the outlier. He has no other feats anywhere close to comparable to that
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Why do you call catching Cull an exceptional act, but taking damage from the wall an outlier? I think catching Cull is a feat, but taking damage from the wall is an exception, and he didn't know it was a wall when he hit it, so he hit it at the wrong angle.
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Why do you call catching Cull an exceptional act, but taking damage from the wall an outlier? I think catching Cull is a feat, but taking damage from the wall is an exception, and he didn't know it was a wall when he hit it, so he hit it at the wrong angle.
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Because in both of these cases, they don't fit with Spider-Man's overall portrayal. We aren't downgrading Spider-Man to 9-B because his overall portrayal and feats place him higher than that, and we aren't upgrading Spider-Man to High 6-A because his overall portrayal and feats place him lower than that.
 
ByArrow said:
Because in both of these cases, they don't fit with Spider-Man's overall portrayal. We aren't downgrading Spider-Man to 9-B because his overall portrayal and feats place him higher than that, and we aren't upgrading Spider-Man to High 6-A because his overall portrayal and feats place him lower than that.
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I proved him superior mark 50 and this makes him multi continental
 
EfeTahir7 said:
I proved him superior mark 50 and this makes him multi continental
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So, are there any other feats that place Spider-Man in the High 6-A tier? Is there any evidence that Spider-Man has grown stronger since Civil War? No
 
EfeTahir7 said:
Why do you call catching Cull an exceptional act, but taking damage from the wall an outlier? I think catching Cull is a feat, but taking damage from the wall is an exception, and he didn't know it was a wall when he hit it, so he hit it at the wrong angle.
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Both of them are outliers. Spidy isn't 9-B or High 6-A. You still aren't addressing the main point. You have to prove that this is consistant for Spider-Man, and that he FREQUENTLY performs High 6-A feats. You can't just point at a singular High 6-A outlier and say "Look, he's High 6-A now!" the same way I can't point to a singular 9-B outlier and say "Look, he's 9-B now!"
EfeTahir7 said:
I proved him superior mark 50 and this makes him multi continental
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You have not. All you have done is point at a feat that's an outlier and pretend that you've proven something. If you want to prove he's High 6-A, find more High 6-A feats and show that it's consistant in the MCU, except you can't because it isn't
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Both of them are outliers. Spidy isn't 9-B or High 6-A. You still aren't addressing the main point. You have to prove that this is consistant for Spider-Man, and that he FREQUENTLY performs High 6-A feats. You can't just point at a singular High 6-A outlier and say "Look, he's High 6-A now!" the same way I can't point to a singular 9-B outlier and say "Look, he's 9-B now!"

You have not. All you have done is point at a feat that's an outlier and pretend that you've proven something. If you want to prove he's High 6-A, find more High 6-A feats and show that it's consistant in the MCU, except you can't because it isn't
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He also has other accomplishments with H6A, including surviving a hit from Thanos.
 
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