MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

[Spinoirr]

Strange Supreme beats the brakes off The Watcher...i'll be there.

Hope he Beats the tar out of that bobble head mf

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

watching rn

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Strange Supreme calls Watcher a 5-dimensional being, which i think would be consistent with Watchers statement from I Am Groot Season 2?

 

[Fitz_100]

Strange Supreme calls Watcher a 5-dimensional being, which i think would be consistent with Watchers statement from I Am Groot Season 2?

Yup....feats feats feats

 

[Reyne]

Spoiler

Uhhhhh

Carter has plot armor beyond comprehension, punching Strange Supreme in his unleashed form at the end; crazy. He was actually turned into a jobber and then died. I am both pumped up by and pissed off at this episode. Carter is just that person. Wanda and Steven think she's the bell of the ball. It's interesting to see that stone users really don't all amp themselves. We know Ultron did via confirmation, but Erik gets his armor snatched after dusting Thanos. Carter really said "I'm actually better than everyone else" with that armor line. Literally perfect and every way without a flaw. Season 1 of What If? had understandable scaling, but this season really is "cartoon fun". Granted, even the Wenwu varient had some differences (white hair), so that's just his specific power level. Same with that King Thor with the fully glowing Mjolnir. Kahori went from being cannon level, to above Thanos level, to Abstracts level, just by having Space Stone energy. She's just a better Captain Marvel who a super soldier can tangle with. A super soldier who never amps her shield that withstands what we know should be solar stem destroying attacks.

A Captain Marvel varient punched Vision after his awful aim did nothing. That one God Hulk's weapon can harm Strange Supreme. Eternal Flame Hela was such a tease.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

How many times has Surtur said "I am Asgards doom!" at this point

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I think we all expected more when we saw Loki's ygdrasil on the trailer

 

[Excellence616]

People need to stop with the copium of MCU being 199999. MCU and comics are both 616 and separate multiverses. That's a fact you're just going to have to deal with.

There's been multiple multiverse altering events that have happened in the comics that never affected the MCU and vise versa.

It's not the ideal of copium. Marvel Main Universe has being Earth 616 ever since 1949. MCU was designated Earth 199999 but change recently to Earth 616. The Marvel comics also call MCU Earth 19999. Just imagine having two Earth 1610. It doesn't have to affect MCU. No Universe is Meant to have The same number of Earth designation. They don't share the same Multiverse don't they can't have same Earth Number.

Just imagine now that MCU is called Earth 616, how will the comics call MCU next time they want to make reference it?

Don't hate how What if looks like some people, but Marvel needs to try out different art styles and animation for future animated projects.

I would be nice if they can hire so anime animators.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Spoiler: Ok

Uhhhhh

Carter has plot armor beyond comprehension, punching Strange Supreme in his unleashed form at the end;

She punched him with all the infinity stones, it's not plot armour, infinite ultron wasnt a jobber to Strange supreme, the infinity stones were big trouble for strange supreme.

crazy. He was actually turned into a jobber and then died.

A jobber that was only defeated by the power of a entire set of infinity stones + another space stone + a bunch of weapons from many creatures in the multiverse. And even then he wasnt defeated withput the help of Strange Supreme going good.

I am both pumped up by and pissed off at this episode. Carter is just that person. Wanda and Steven think she's the bell of the ball. It's interesting to see that stone users really don't all amp themselves. We know Ultron did via confirmation, but Erik gets his armor snatched after dusting Thanos.

He got his armour snatchede by a "space stone"

Carter really said "I'm actually better than everyone else" with that armor line. Literally perfect and every way without a flaw. Season 1 of What If? had understandable scaling, but this season really is "cartoon fun". Granted, even the Wenwu varient had some differences (white hair), so that's just his specific power level. Same with that King Thor with the fully glowing Mjolnir. Kahori went from being cannon level, to above Thanos level, to Abstracts level, just by having Space Stone energy. She's just a better Captain Marvel who a super soldier can tangle with. A super soldier who never amps her shield that withstands what we know should be solar stem destroying attacks.

It seems you are the one who didnt paid any attention

A Captain Marvel varient punched Vision after his awful aim did nothing. That one God Hulk's weapon can harm Strange Supreme. Eternal Flame Hela was such a tease.

 

[Yokoahh5743]

We can see that Hela, who has time-stop resistance, but she doesn't really have time-stop resistance. It's time to downgrade

 

[Reyne]

Spoiler

I was referring to Kahori blocking attacks from Strange when she just went just above Wanda, who is just above her Endgame self, and to Carter using her shield to block attacks and actually affect Strange with her punches. A super soldier punched a universe ender and did something. Grabbing all of the stones with her bare hand and actually no selling their effects is the icing on the cake.

Yeah, it was the space stone. My point is not all stone users have increased durability or hax resustance, like how Ronan took the Hadron Enforcer.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Yeah so he was definitely a jobber like I said

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

There may have been a lot of inconsistencies but i will at least give the episode props for having it so that Carter and Kahhori needed a bunch of magical doo-hickejs to stand a chance against Strange

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Spoiler

I was referring to Kahori blocking attacks from Strange when she just went just above Wanda, who is just above her Endgame self, and to Carter using her shield to block attacks and actually affect Strange with her punches. A super soldier punched a universe ender and did something. Grabbing all of the stones with her bare hand and actually no selling their effects is the icing on the cake.

Yeah, it was the space stone. My point is not all stone users have increased durability or hax resustance, like how Ronan took the Hadron Enforcer.

Spoiler: Ok

No you werent you very specifically said Carter pounching Strange noy Kahori blocking Strange.
Did you realize that Carter was using the power stone to amp her shield?
Strange destroyed a universe with enviromental destruction after affecting time many times, and Strange can block universal attacks but that doesnt mean his physical resistance is universal only that he knew spells that are that resistant a spell that requires preparation and he never used now.

 

[Dinobot1996]

Just finished watching What If... Strange Supreme Intervened?

So I guess Infinity Armor Captain Carter and Kahhori at her peak are getting Low 1-C scaling then? Kahhori's scaling seems a bit inconsistent overall, though I'm not sure whether or not she should have a variable tier.

Strange Supreme captured a large number of heroes and "universe killers" offscreen.

The Watcher being a fifth dimensional being is restated.

 

[darkphantom9805]

lol no strange should just get downgraded they showed us he’s a fraud and his fight with ultron should be PIS since he stated himself he’s not the watcher level who got stomped by ultron

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Maybe you could chalk Kahhori's inconsistency to her powers developing off-screen? i dunno

 

[darkphantom9805]

Maybe you could chalk Kahhori's inconsistency to her powers developing off-screen? i dunno

She got powers from 1 stone there’s physically no way she should be above all

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

She got powers from 1 stone there’s physically no way she should be above all

idk man rule of cool

 

[darkphantom9805]

Y’all just need to how off the copium and accept strange entire fight against ultron was PIS and jobbing he never downscaled and this episode shows it

 

[Reyne]

Spoiler: Ok

No you werent you very specifically said Carter pounching Strange noy Kahori blocking Strange.
Did you realize that Carter was using the power stone to amp her shield?
Strange destroyed a universe with enviromental destruction after affecting time many times, and Strange can block universal attacks but that doesnt mean his physical resistance is universal only that he knew spells that are that resistant a spell that requires preparation and he never used now.

Spoiler

Dude, she is never shown to amp her shield, nore does she start off with the stones. It may be disingenuous to call Strange's attacks universal, but the point is his AP is still far above the level characters like Thanos or Wanda can produce/take. Strange has shields, which is why he'd be highly durable. His unleashed form is an amalgamation of being with incredible power that exceeds that or a super soldier. Carter was punching him and actually do something.

 

[Reyne]

idk man rule of cool

Captain Marvel who?

There's no power like that of an OC.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

She got powers from 1 stone there’s physically no way she should be above all

When did she shows to be above all infinity stones? She was mostly running from Strange attacks, and Strange himself was much more busy fighting Carter

 

[darkphantom9805]

When did she shows to be above all infinity stones? She was mostly running from Strange attacks, and Strange himself was much more busy fighting Carter

Taking many of strange attacks and harming him also his demon form was getting beat up by base carter lol

 

[Reyne]

Taking many of strange attacks and harming him

Remember when Strange's power allowed Thor to take out Infinity Ultron's arm. Because I do.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Remember when Strange's power allowed Thor to take out Infinity Ultron's arm. Because I do.

Yeah when ultron was missing a stone lol

 

[Reyne]

Yeah when ultron was missing a stone lol

True, but still. Ultron is still that guy, even without a stone.

I just realized Erik having the Mind Stone doesn't necessarily have to be a mistake, but that Arnim Zola lost.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Spoiler

Dude, she is never shown to amp her shield, nore does she start off with the stones. It may be disingenuous to call Strange's attacks universal, but the point is his AP is still far above the level characters like Thanos or Wanda can produce/take. Strange has shields, which is why he'd be highly durable. His unleashed form is an amalgamation of being with incredible power that exceeds that or a super soldier. Carter was punching him and actually do something.

Spoiler: Ok

So I'm supposed to believe this is the normal shield?

His unleashed form is a monster which Strange has little control of, he might be physically superior in that form but it doesnt mean the monster has the same magic as Strange seen as he never used any

 

[darkphantom9805]

I think what if just needs to stop the Peggy wank their love for Peggy is so strong they are throwing all scaling out the window

 

[Reyne]

Spoiler: Ok

So I'm supposed to believe this is the normal shield?

His unleashed form is a monster which Strange has little control of, he might be physically superior in that form but it doesnt mean the monster has the same magic as Strange seen as he never used any

Spoiler

There she amps it, but again, the shield can take attacks even without the stones. You genemuineky believe the form where Strange displays his absolute strength in both seasons is the one where he has lesser defenses by an astromical degree, from way above nuclear level (powerful) down to like building level or whatever super soldiers are. I just don't understand that perspective.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Taking many of strange attacks and harming him also his demon form was getting beat up by base carter lol

Again she never took many attacks from Strange mostly she just runs away, the little times she actually gets some attacks it's just some monster hands or parts showing up on the wall to stop her running.

 

[Reyne]

I think what if just needs to stop the Peggy wank their love for Peggy is so strong they are throwing all scaling out the window

She is now a comic character. She transcends the MCU.

Peggy is love. Peggy is life.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I think what if just needs to stop the Peggy wank their love for Peggy is so strong they are throwing all scaling out the window

i think Peggy's scaling in this episode was fine besides that scene at the end with her punching Beast Strange, she was using Infinite Stones for most of the fight and was still struggling so that doesn't sound too bad
Kahhori's the bigger scaling problem in this episode

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Spoiler

There she amps it, but again, the shield can take attacks even without the stones. You genemuineky believe the form where Strange displays his absolute strength in both seasons is the one where he has lesser defenses by an astromical degree, from way above nuclear level (powerful) down to like building level or whatever super soldiers are. I just don't understand that perspective.

Spoiler: Ok

Let's see

Using Hela's helmet? Check
Infinity stones glowing? Check
Base Carter? Not Check

 

[darkphantom9805]

I want some scaling that puts watcher above Loki

 

[Yokoahh5743]

Should we tone down Hela resistance because she really can't resist time stop and back time

 

[Reyne]

Spoiler: Ok

Let's see

Using Hela's helmet? Check
Infinity stones glowing? Check
Base Carter? Not Check

Uh, ok. It seems like Carter started off the episode with the Heart of the Universe too.

 

[Reyne]

I want some scaling that puts watcher above Loki

Why not just have him be a peer? He can just look at Loki, ergo they're on the same boat. Or in this case, the same tree.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Why not just have him be a peer? He can just look at Loki, ergo they're on the same boat. Or in this case, the same tree.

Just cause he’s aware of the tree doesn’t make him anywhere near his level Loki is like a step above by feats

 

[Dinobot1996]

Current Thanos statuses across the multiverse:

• Main universe: Decapitated by Thor
• 2014 time traveler: Dusted by Iron Man
• Earth 838: Killed by the Illuminati
• What If S1E2: Alive, though beat up by Proxima Midnight and Cull Obsidian tag-teaming him
• What If S1E5: Turned into a zombie...somehow
• What If S1E8: Immediately bisected by Ultron after getting overconfident

Spoiler: What if season 2

• What If S2E1: Killed by Ronan...somehow
• What If S2E4: Melted by Gamora
• What If S2E7: Presumably killed by Hela the White and Wenwu
• What If S2E8: Got his plan derailed by Time Stone shenanigans
• What If S2E9: Dusted by Killmonger