MCU Peak Humans Speed Revision

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I brought this up in another thread. The speed of MCU peak humans need to be revised.

1. The calc that gives Hawkeye subsonic combat speed actually gives Hawkeye Supersonic perception/reaction speed, cuz it's 0.0098 seconds. That's not combat speed though, do not mistake perception speed and combat speed, combat speed takes distance into account.

2. In my opinion, peak humans should not automatically scale to peak humans. Gamora and some other Guardians of the Galaxy scales to Hawkeye, simply because they are superhumans and should be superior to peak humans. I think this scaling is very unreliable. They should either be downgraded to Superhuman/Peak Human because they are superhumans, or list them as unknown.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems to make sense, but it is best to ask Matthew and the members listed under the MCU in the Knowledgeable Members List to give input here.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Have you asked for input?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yes. I suppose Matthew is busy as usual.

Half of the knowledgeable members are useless, 1 has left, 1 is banned, 1 is inactive, 1 never replies. That leaves the real cal howard.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Should I ask ByAsura? He seems knowledgeable.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so.

 

[Antvasima]

You could try the staff members written under supporters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe page as well.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I will when I get back on PC.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[ByAsura]

This first one is extremely consistent because Black Widow can easily blitz people, and dodge bullets

I completley agree with the second one. Black Widow and Hawkeye clearly scale far above normal humans, they have also kept up with Chitauri and Ultron Drones in Combat.

 

[Nico-v11]

Can I point out a problem with the speed stats that we have?

Winter Soldier: Supersonic combat speed

Black Widow: Subsonic combat speed

Sharon Carter: Subsonic Combat speed

Black Panther (without armor, haven't seen his movie yet so I assume that's what "depowered" means on his profile): Peak Human

Crossbones: Possibly Supersonic

Scarlet Witch: Supersonic

Hawkeye: Subsonic combat speed

Black Panther (with suit): Supersonic


Ok here we go:

1. Winter Soldier fights Sharon and Black Widow and they are capable of landing hits on him. Before hand Iron Man is equally capable of blocking and hitting Winter Soldier without a suit. Black Panther is capable of beating Winter Soldier without a suit.

https://youtu.be/Bn6_yTEKHBg The speeds we have for them don't add up.

2. Hawkeye reacts faster and generally out-speeds Scarlet Witch

At 3:36 https://youtu.be/BRi7ozh47do

3. Black Widow is capable of being faster than Crossbones while also landing hits (not AP worthy really) and dodging them.

https://youtu.be/LKTM53RDEEo at 7:55

4. Hawkeye briefly fights Black Panther (with suit) while managing to block a hit from BP

https://youtu.be/03nyBNelxY4 at 1:10

The speeds do NOT coincide with what we have on our profiles. Those with subsonic that I've mentioned should be supersonic and all others that scale.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Depowered does not mean no suit, watch the new movie.

Yeah, so that is why the peak humans should be supersonic, as well as the Hawkeye calc.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems to make sense, but I do not have the best sense of judgement when it comes to these sorts of issues. It is better to ask Matthew to comment here. You can tell him that I would appreciate his input.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I have done so a day ago

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Perhaps you can politely request help from some other administrators as well.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well, who?

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure, but they are generally reliable, so most of them should be capable of helping out with this.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can check here VS Battles Staff.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bump

 

[Nico-v11]

I don't see why it cannot just be changed now. It's inconsistent if kept the way it is

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that you are correct. If nobody else is willing to help out by evaluating this, I suppose that I will have to make do.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I just mentioned, in lack of better options, I suppose that I will have to accept this on my own.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

So I can apply the changes?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. I think so.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Done.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we close this thread?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yup

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.