MCU Captain Marvel attack speed

[Marvel_Champion_07]

According to this, Carol's photon blasts are blasts of actual photons. If I'm not wrong, this would be Speed of Light attack speed.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Seems simple enough

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is there legitimate evidence that the bolts move at the speed of light

EDIT: Her attacks bend and they're not shown to be instant like Iron Man's wrist laser considering a nearly dead Thanos can react to the blasts. I'm not for it.

 

[Hellbeast]

I kind of feel you'd need more evidence for this. It's stated by BTS guys but thats not in universe and a few guidelines need to be met first

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

So it comes down to: They're stated to be made of up of photons but do they move at the speed of light?

 

[Qawsedf234]

They're stated to be made of up of photons

Just because something emits photons doesn't make it light speed. Look at Solar Flares or Supernovas.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I thought photons are light speed? If that's not the case then I retract what I said earlier

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

they're not shown to be instant like Iron Man's wrist laser

Seems pretty instant to me

I thought photons are light speed? If that's not the case then I retract what I said earlier

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It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source

 

[Qawsedf234]

I though photons are light speed?

Photons are lightspeed. The beams however flex and bend, along with having characters react to it like Thanos. It doesn't fit the criteria for a SoL upgrade, unlike Iron Man's wrist lasers which are always straight and no one ever reacts to.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Photons are lightspeed. The beams however flex and bend, along with having characters react to it like Thanos. It doesn't fit the criteria for a SoL upgrade, unlike Iron Man's wrist lasers which are always straight and no one ever reacts to.

How does having characters react to it make it not SoL

 

[Qawsedf234]

Seems pretty instant to me

Captain Marvel fires the blast at 1:10:03 and it hits him at 1:10:19. In that 0.16 seconds light would have travelled 47,966,793.28 meters or enough to make one complete trip around the Earth's circumference.

Its not SoL in that scene, even accounting for PoV slow down with a MHS+ Marvel.

How does having characters react to it make it not SoL

Because Thanos is tens of thousands of times slower than the speed of light.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Captain Marvel fires the blast at 1:10:03 and it hits him at 1:10:19. In that .16 seconds light would have travelled 47,966,793.28 meters or enough to make one complete trip around the Earth's circumfrence.

Its fast but not that fast.

Other attacks accepted as lightspeed don't show that kind of speed either.

Because Thanos is tens of thousands of times slower than the speed of light.

Wouldn't that just be an outlier or a speed feat for Thanos?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Other attacks accepted as lightspeed don't show that kind of speed either.

Superman's beams fit more criteria that Marvel's, even accounting for a cinematic time argument

• Superman's heat vision has a direct guidebook statement calling it lightspeed a beam of red light
• Superman's heat vision does not bend, unlike the photon blasts
• Superman's heat vision are shown to deflect or bounce off of mirrors/mirror like items like Cyborg's shield
• Superman's heat vision is shown to be a beam, unlike the Photon Blasts which are occasionally shown to be simple bolts

You need to have more than one item for a SoL upgrade.

Wouldn't that just be an outlier or a feat for Thanos?

Its an anti-feat for the blasts unless you're proposing a universal Rel upgrade to the MCU.

 

[Hellbeast]

Superman's beams fit more criteria that Marvel's, even accounting for a cinematic time argument

• Superman's heat vision has a direct guidebook statement calling it lightspeed a beam of red light
• Superman's heat vision does not bend, unlike the photon blasts
• Superman's heat vision are shown to deflect or bounce off of mirrors/mirror like items like Cyborg's shield
• Superman's heat vision is shown to be a beam, unlike the Photon Blasts which are occasionally shown to be simple bolts

They're also shown consistently to be extremely high in temperature, which I believe might be more evidence

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Photon powers

 

[Hellbeast]

Photon powers

Ok but you still need to prove it has characteristics of light beyond the photon thing
Also what's the source for this?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Key Strengths: Superior piloting abilities, enhanced durability, strength and reflexes, cosmic energy blasts, healing abilities, space flight

The source states its cosmic energy, likely from the space stone. So that goes more against it being SoL if anything.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also what's the source for this?

Marvel Studios Character Encyclopedia iirc

 

[Hellbeast]

Huh anything else neat in there

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

It's a photon blast

The source states its cosmic energy, likely from the space stone. So that goes more against it being SoL if anything.

The source still states it's photon powers

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Superman's beams fit more criteria that Marvel's, even accounting for a cinematic time argument

• Superman's heat vision has a direct guidebook statement calling it lightspeed a beam of red light
• Superman's heat vision does not bend, unlike the photon blasts
• Superman's heat vision are shown to deflect or bounce off of mirrors/mirror like items like Cyborg's shield
• Superman's heat vision is shown to be a beam, unlike the Photon Blasts which are occasionally shown to be simple bolts

You need to have more than one item for a SoL upgrade.

Iron Man's repulsors have more than one criteria for SoL but we don't have that

 

[Qawsedf234]

Here

That proves nothing outside that she calls her attacks Photon Blasts.

photon powers

Its cosmic energy manipulation, and as I talked about it doesn't show lightspeed and it bends which breaks our rules about SoL attacks.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Iron Man's repulsors have more than one criteria for SoL but we don't have that

Iron Man's repulsors also have multiple criteria that breaks our rules.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Iron Man's repulsors also have multiple criteria that breaks our rules.

Like what?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Like what?

They can go in bursts, they have speed anti-feats and they have contradicting claims on what the repulsors are actually made out of. Superman's heat vision has none of those issues.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

They can go in bursts, they have speed anti-feats and they have contradicting claims on what the repulsors are actually made out of

What are the anti-feats or claims?

Its cosmic energy manipulation, and as I talked about it doesn't show lightspeed and it bends which breaks our rules about SoL attacks.

Doesn't address that it's photon powers

That proves nothing outside that she calls her attacks Photon Blasts.

Then I guess she calls them photon blasts for no reason at all.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What are the anti-feats

There's a large swath of people who have reacted to the beams.

Doesn't address that it's photon powers

Something can emit photons without it being SoL

hen I guess she calls them photon blasts for no reason at all.

Attack names exists. Goku's main attack is turtle destruction soup and the Flash doesn't actually punch with infinite mass.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

There's a large swath of people who have reacted to the beams.

Ok...?

Something can emit photons without it being SoL

"bolts of light"

Attack names exists. Goku's main attack is turtle destruction soup and the Flash doesn't actually punch with infinite mass.

Captain Marvel's attack is still confirmed to consist of photons

 

[Qawsedf234]

consist of photons

They also bend and have slower people react to them.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

have slower people react to them

That's either an outlier or a feat for them. Because every other person can't character to them

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Watchhg

 

[Bernkastelll]

Until now, I am not seeing any good counter argument outside of ''Character X reacted to it'', which either can be a feat to character X or Outlier to character X

 

[Qawsedf234]

That's either an outlier or a feat for them.

Or its evidence that the beams aren't SoL. But fine to go over a list

Most lasers in fiction are not real or provable as real. Often they are supernatural in nature and do not function anywhere close to how real light should. Therefore, lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
• It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.

Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material.
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans.
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above.)

These four points are not meet

• The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or...
• The beam diffuses in a reasonably realistic way or reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror.
• The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources.
• It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera.

The one piece of evidence for it is this one

• It is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source.

But the important point for this is the criteria for non-light speed

• It is shown at different speeds in the same material.
• It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans.
• They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above.)

As follows

• The beams do not travel in a straight line. They are shown to bend
• The beams have shown to physically push or blow away things rather than melt or piece through objects. Though that is an inconsistent point I guess

Considering other non-listed rules like her blasts not being one solid beam and people reacting to them that's far more weight in them not being SoL in my view.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

• The beams do not travel in a straight line. They are shown to bend
• The beams have shown to physically push or blow away things rather than melt or piece through objects. Though that is an inconsistent point I guess

That's the only time her photon blasts ever bend. Every other time it travels in a complete straight line.

 

[chosen]

Is there legitimate evidence that the bolts move at the speed of light

EDIT: Her attacks bend and they're not shown to be instant like Iron Man's wrist laser considering a nearly dead Thanos can react to the blasts. I'm not for it.

Photons are only sol in space tbf

 

[chosen]

Photon powers

From where you found this guide btw?

 

[Qawsedf234]

That's the only time her photon blasts ever bend.

But they bend. Showing that they're not normal beams but cosmic energy attacks, as your Character Guide said.

 

[chosen]

Btw so far i am neutral on it
But it should only be sol attack speed wheb in vaccum

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

But they bend. Showing that they're not normal beams but cosmic energy attacks, as your Character Guide said.

As it also said, they are photon powers. And it certainly doesn't bend here or any part of this entire fight scene

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I’m confused how that’s valid for bending? The beam doesn’t bend. It fires in the direction it was fired at. The “bending” is Carol changing the direction of her hands. Just because the point from which something is emitted points in a different direction doesn’t mean that what was already emitted/fired will magically move to follow the current direction. That’s just her moving her arms faster than the attack travels.

Edit: I disagree with the CRT cuz it only fulfils one criteria.