Maybe a upgrade for some demons (DMC)

[Mister6ame6]

Well back to work after a long time gone from VS! this is more a re-scaling of some demons since we did have more feats/statements that put them far higher them we are rn, so lets go into them:


Beastheads was able to shook the Human World when awakened on Earth what makes this a solid Low 2-C is because of him also making the laws that govern reality also shake in the process if was just the planet this would never happens. Should probably scale to 2-C too since he is one of the highest rank in Mundus's army


Baul and Modeus the twins that were Sparda's aprendices before he betrayed Mundus, according to Sid says that Modeus powers could make the entire Demon World temble by how strong he was before trowing his sword away, which would make this a 2-C feat for now maybe higher depending on how some revisions go in the future


Furiataurus is able to turn everything to wind and flames should scale to 2-C by being able to destroy the Human and Demon Worlds


Nefasturris is is a demon that use his minions Nefas Vermis to conduct the energy from the Demon World to make not only make him move, but also to empower him with the power of the Demon World's Nexus himself, which in this case Nefasturris would be considered a 2-C demon thanks to that


Agnus is able to create a artificially Demon World for himself, which would be a 2-C feat for him and should scale above Yamato at full power since he never considered her a impressive devil arm in power different from Devil Sword Sparda who he was terrify of her


Nobody a demon who is considered a failure by demons's standarts, including their own masters, was able to skews a dimension with his own powers and abilities which should be a 2-C feat for him


Trish was sended to kill Dante in DMC1 events along with the others Mundus's generals so she should get a 2-C scaling and was also stated to be the best electricity user of DMC verse and thus, should scale above the likes of Alastor, Nevan, Griffon and her Cavaliere Angelo Self. Was consistently portrayed as able to hold her own against massive demonic invasions which should include various Demon Kings levels beings among them. After awakening to humanity Trish was strong enougth to be able to break free of a spell that bond her to Mundus.


Griffon, Phamtom and Shadow should be superior to Baul, Modeus, Malphas and Beastheads since they were worthy of their title as Mundus's generals among the others under the Demon King's command and should be far superior to their shadow counterparts, including Shadow Nightmare since they are confirmed to be not near as strong as their og versions. Phamtom was stated to be able to push through the dimensional barrier separating the Human World and the Demon World which would make this a Immeasurable Lifting Strength feat for him and should scale above the likes of Urizen who needed the Yamato pass through the seal and also all demons up to untill DMC1 Dante and Sparda Pre-Rebellion TIers since none of them was able to break thougth it by the time of untill DMC5 events like Malphas, The Four Great Demons, Furiataurus, Nefasturis and Nobody.


King Cerberus was handpicked by Urizen to protect the Qliphoth fruit, should be able to protect it from others Demon King level beings and thus, should scale to 2-C

 

[Huesito88]

Where was it accepted that the Demon World is 2-A?

 

[Mister6ame6]

Where was it accepted that the Demon World is 2-A?

It was accepted some mouths ago!

 

[Huesito88]

It was accepted some mouths ago!

Link the thread

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Bro the thread is postponed due to general revision going on.

Like chill dawg but don't worry tho! We will have our Donte stronk. Trust.

 

[Huesito88]

Like chill dawg but don't worry tho! We will have our Donte stronk. Trust.

Yes we will get our 1-A stronk Donte! (DmC 2013)

 

[Mister6ame6]

Bro the thread is postponed due to general revision going on.

Like chill dawg but don't worry tho! We will have our Donte stronk. Trust.

Well, i guess i was a bit hurry on the 2-A wank XD

Anyway i gonna change them from 2-A to 2-C since i got my question answered anyway in the server!

Link the thread

Well, Sonic ninja'd me with answer

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Anyway since I'm here, lemme look what my boy brought in here.

Well back to work after a long time gone from VS! this is more a re-scaling of some demons since we did have more feats/statements that put them far higher them we are rn, so lets go into them:

It's nice to see you back!

Beastheads was able to shook the Human World when awakened on Earth what makes this a solid Low 2-C is because of him also making the laws that govern reality also shake in the process if was just the planet this would never happens. Should probably scale to 2-C too since he is one of the highest rank in Mundus's army

Seems fair enough.

Baul and Modeus the twins that were Sparda's aprendices before he betrayed Mundus, according to Sid says that Modeus powers could make the entire Demon World temble by how strong he was before trowing his sword away, which would make this a 2-C feat for now maybe higher depending on how some revisions go in the future

I wonder if it is talking from literal or figurative sense... Also your scan is not working but I know where it is coming from. You should fix it asap.

Furiataurus is able to turn everything to wind and flames should scale to 2-C by being able to destroy the Human and Demon Worlds

That's figurative ngl.

Nefasturris is is a demon that use his minions Nefas Vermis to conduct the energy from the Demon World to make not only make him move, but also to empower him with the power of the Demon World's Nexus himself, which in this case Nefasturris would be considered a 2-C demon thanks to that

It is just him receiving empowerment from the underworld... How's that 2C?

Agnus is able to create a artificially Demon World for himself, which would be a 2-C feat for him and should scale above Yamato at full power since he never considered her a impressive devil arm in power different from Devil Sword Sparda who he was terrify of her

Interesting... Yeah this could probably work out ig.

Nobody a demon who is considered a failure by demons's standarts, including their own masters, was able to skews a dimension with his own powers and abilities which should be a 2-C feat for him

Another interesting stuff... I'm not sure but I do think this should scale to their ability specifics?

Trish was sended to kill Dante in DMC1 events along with the others Mundus's generals so she should get a 2-C scaling and was also stated to be the best electricity user of DMC verse and thus, should scale above the likes of Alastor, Nevan, Griffon and her Cavaliere Angelo Self. Was consistently portrayed as able to hold her own against massive demonic invasions which should include various Demon Kings levels beings among them. After awakening to humanity Trish was strong enougth to be able to break free of a spell that bond her to Mundus.

Okay this one makes sense actually, because it is proven that human's positive emotions gives them power as shown in this scan which is the same case with Sparda who woke to justice and soloed the entire Demon World on his own as we all know so nice catch there.

Griffon, Phamtom and Shadow should be superior to Baul, Modeus, Malphas and Beastheads since they were worthy of their title as Mundus's generals among the others under the Demon King's command and should be far superior to their shadow counterparts, including Shadow Nightmare since they are confirmed to be not near as strong as their og versions. Phamtom was stated to be able to push through the dimensional barrier separating the Human World and the Demon World which would make this a Immeasurable Lifting Strength feat for him and should scale above the likes of Urizen who needed the Yamato pass through the seal and also all demons up to untill DMC1 Dante and Sparda Pre-Rebellion TIers since none of them was able to break thougth it by the time of untill DMC5 events like Malphas, The Four Great Demons, Furiataurus, Nefasturis and Nobody.

Problem with pushing through the dimensional wall is it later states that the barrier was weakened which allowed him to push through so I'm not sure... Other stuff is fine however it seems.

King Cerberus was handpicked by Urizen to protect the Qliphoth fruit, should be able to protect it from others Demon King level beings and thus, should scale to 2-C

Makes sense.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Anyway since I'm here, lemme look what my boy brought in here.



It's nice to see you back!

Yo thanks! Nice to see you are still working on DMC too!

I wonder if it is talking from literal or figurative sense... Also your scan is not working but I know where it is coming from. You should fix it asap.

Really? Strange is working form me, well, gonna change just in case them!

Well, Modeus is a hell lord and was Sparda's apprentice so i won't' discard completely the ideia of being true! He is equal of his brother Baul who is waiting for a worthy challenge for a long time and still did not anybody worth of it untill he decide to wait for Sparda come back but he never did, so he found Dante was the only being worth of his time and who was strong enougth to macth Sparda as stated by him in the anime!

That's figurative ngl.

Are you sure? They said in the scan that you need someone like on Dante level to be able to beat him, should that count?

It is just him receiving empowerment from the underworld... How's that 2C?

Well, they said he received power from the depths of the DW himself (Demon World's Nexus?) pretty sure receiving power from it would grant a huge power up since as show in novel 2 as the close you get to the DWN, the close you are from being paralized and unable to continue going further inside there! Unless you are a very powerfull Demon King level being of course.

Another interesting stuff... I'm not sure but I do think this should scale to their ability specifics?

Well, we do accept AP=Hax rn, so i think it would count as a AP feat for him because of the stronger you are the stronger you abilities are too

Okay this one makes sense actually, because it is proven that human's positive emotions gives them power as shown in this scan which is the same case with Sparda who woke to justice and soloed the entire Demon World on his own as we all know so nice catch there.

Thanks! And yeah humans emotions are op, should have included in my op ngl

Problem with pushing through the dimensional wall is it later states that the barrier was weakened which allowed him to push through so I'm not sure... Other stuff is fine however it seems.

Well, yeah but since even more them 20 years later in DMC5 events, the seal was far weaker them in DMC1 events, demons was still unable to pass thougth it like Malphas, The Four Great Demons, the Shadows versions of Mundus's generals, including Shadow Nightmare and Nobody are not unable to pass though it only when the barrier was down as stated in Nico's profile in Sin section!

So i think it would still count as a feat for Phamtom, but a weaker one of course. Only True Forms Mundus, Argosax, Abigail, Sparda and everibody that scale comparable or above them get the feat as breaking the seal as it full potential!

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Yo thanks! Nice to see you are still working on DMC too!

Always a pleasure to help the squad

Really? Strange is working form me, well, gonna change just in case them!

This one is working, dunno why it didn't back then but meh.

Well, Modeus is a hell lord and was Sparda's apprentice so i won't' discard completely the ideia of being true! He is equal of his brother Baul who is waiting for a worthy challenge for a long time and still did not anybody worth of it untill he decide to wait for Sparda come back but he never did, so he found Dante was the only being worth of his time and who was strong enougth to macth Sparda as stated by him in the anime!

Taking another look... The shaking sentence feel more like a display of feat but it can also be taken as figurative speech so I'm not sure... I think it can act as a supporting evidence I suppose?

Are you sure? They said in the scan that you need someone like on Dante level to be able to beat him, should that count?

I can tell by just looking at the manner of speaking here... It is not literally him consuming everything in flame and shit; it's just a figurative speech.

Well, they said he received power from the depths of the DW himself (Demon World's Nexus?) pretty sure receiving power from it would grant a huge power up since as show in novel 2 as the close you get to the DWN, the close you are from being paralized and unable to continue going further inside there! Unless you are a very powerfull Demon King level being of course.

Nah that's not how it works... He can receive the power from Demon World to fuel himself but that doesn't mean he would be 2C just like that... You need more solid evidence for this one.

Well, we do accept AP=Hax rn, so i think it would count as a AP feat for him because of the stronger you are the stronger you abilities are too

Yeah but it's quite speculative at the same time... The safest bet here is to make it ability specific.

Thanks! And yeah humans emotions are op, should have included in my op ngl

Np.

Well, yeah but since even more them 20 years later in DMC5 events, the seal was far weaker them in DMC1 events, demons was still unable to pass thougth it like Malphas, The Four Great Demons, the Shadows versions of Mundus's generals, including Shadow Nightmare and Nobody are not unable to pass though it only when the barrier was down as stated in Nico's profile in Sin section!

So i think it would still count as a feat for Phamtom, but a weaker one of course. Only True Forms Mundus, Argosax, Abigail, Sparda and everibody that scale comparable or above them get the feat as breaking the seal as it full potential!

I'm honestly not sure about this one... At the same time the barrier is strong enough to keep two worlds apart with one of them bring infinite in comparison to it, you probably could still scale to it but I'm kind of conflicted here. What do you think? @Huesito88

 

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Trish was sended to kill Dante in DMC1 events along with the others Mundus's generals so she should get a 2-C scaling and was also stated to be the best electricity user of DMC verse and thus, should scale above the likes of Alastor, Nevan, Griffon and her Cavaliere Angelo Self. Was consistently portrayed as able to hold her own against massive demonic invasions which should include various Demon Kings levels beings among them. After awakening to humanity Trish was strong enougth to be able to break free of a spell that bond her to Mundus.

This is contradicted by dmc5, she gets bodied by griffon who is weakened go shit
Her cavaliere Angelo being included in the statamamebt doesn't make sense cuz it's electricity powers comes from Trish.

Mundus has no reason fo use strong stuff on someone who gets bodied by generals, her scaling to dmc1 dante doesn't work unless you say mundus immensely underestimated that version of dante, dmc3 vergil can kill dmc3 mumdus who is above all lf his generals

Griffon, Phamtom and Shadow should be superior to Baul, Modeus, Malphas and Beastheads since they were worthy of their title as Mundus's generals among the others under the Demon King's command and should be far superior to their shadow counterparts, including Shadow Nightmare since they are confirmed to be not near as strong as their og versions. Phamtom was stated to be able to push through the dimensional barrier separating the Human World and the Demon World which would make this a Immeasurable Lifting Strength feat for him and should scale above the likes of Urizen who needed the Yamato pass through the seal and also all demons up to untill DMC1 Dante and Sparda Pre-Rebellion TIers since none of them was able to break thougth it by the time of untill DMC5 events like Malphas, The Four Great Demons, Furiataurus, Nefasturis and Nobody

The Baul and modeus we seen are from sparda army so doesn't really matter, phantom suddenly. Ulscaling urizen is just, no? Dante seal powers are stronger than spardas to begin and spardas is what's pushed in dmc1

King Cerberus was handpicked by Urizen to protect the Qliphoth fruit, should be able to protect it from others Demon King level beings and thus, should scale to 2-C

Then why he wasn't strong enough to become one then? You can just kill the current Demon king to become the new one

 

[Mister6ame6]

Taking another look... The shaking sentence feel more like a display of feat but it can also be taken as figurative speech so I'm not sure... I think it can act as a supporting evidence I suppose?

Yeah since with the others context from the anime is not hard to take that as a legit one knowing we have others demons like Malphas, the Great Ones, Belphegor (Who was stated to be able to destroy the world in DMC which i belive it is accepted rn as universal unless explecitely prove otherwise) and even King Cerberus wandering the DW at that time

I can tell by just looking at the manner of speaking here... It is not literally him consuming everything in flame and shit; it's just a figurative speech.

I see fair enougth

Nah that's not how it works... He can receive the power from Demon World to fuel himself but that doesn't mean he would be 2C just like that... You need more solid evidence for this one.

Really? Well, them i guess i leave this one out them

Yeah but it's quite speculative at the same time... The safest bet here is to make it ability specific.

Fair point too imo

I'm honestly not sure about this one... At the same time the barrier is strong enough to keep two worlds apart with one of them bring infinite in comparison to it, you probably could still scale to it but I'm kind of conflicted here. What do you think? @Huesito88

Well, lets wait for others opinions on this them!

This is contradicted by dmc5, she gets bodied by griffon who is weakened go shit
Her cavaliere Angelo being included in the statamamebt doesn't make sense cuz it's electricity powers comes from Trish.

Well, that i was wondering about too. The only thing i could think to make this makes sense is if the cavaliere angelo armor is holding Trish back similar to what happened with Nelo Angelo in DMC1 events since both armors is from the Angelo series is likely that they could share similar materials on their construction

Mundus has no reason fo use strong stuff on someone who gets bodied by generals, her scaling to dmc1 dante doesn't work unless you say mundus immensely underestimated that version of dante, dmc3 vergil can kill dmc3 mumdus who is above all lf his generals

Well, i was just gonna say she should probably be 2-C even if baseline since she was sended to kill Dante along with the others generals, she likely could be strong enougth to warrant a 2-C key at least

The Baul and modeus we seen are from sparda army so doesn't really matter, phantom suddenly. Ulscaling urizen is just, no? Dante seal powers are stronger than spardas to begin and spardas is what's pushed in dmc1

Dante's seal is superior them Sparda's seal? Mind saying where you got that information plz, seems interesting to know where it came from. Plus i could abuse that for some specif purposes

Then why he wasn't strong enough to become one then? You can just kill the current Demon king to become the new one

Not really, been able to deal with Demons on cosmic scale don't exactly means you are able to become a DK being in the fist place!

Malphas, Mundus's generals, Argoasax"s generals, Alastor, Ifrit, some Devil Arms show in PoC, etc... just to name a few demons on this level that is 2-C, but still not strong enougth to be worth of Demon King title.

 

[chosen]

thing i could think to make this makes sense is if the cavaliere angelo armor is holding Trish back similar to what happened with Nelo Angelo in DMC1 events since both armors is from the Angelo series is likely that they could share similar materials on their construction

Except the whole point of the statamamebt is that the new angelo uses Trish electricity as a power source and idk for what porpuse would urizen nerf when we know he can just ***** slap her, the armor also only held back vergil vision and reaction speed with the helmet.

Well, i was just gonna say she should probably be 2-C even if baseline since she was sended to kill Dante along with the others generals, she likely could be strong enougth to warrant a 2-C key at least

And they are wrong, mundus doesn't know dante power like taht without testing it beforehand otherwise he wouldn't have sende fodders to Tony before makings the knights.

Dante's seal is superior them Sparda's seal? Mind saying where you got that information plz, seems interesting to know where it came from. Plus i could abuse that for some specif purposes

It's on dante profile.

Not really, been able to deal with Demons on cosmic scale don't exactly means you are able to become a DK being in the fist place!

Slaying the current dk if he was able to stop dk tiers fron reaching

Malphas, Mundus's generals, Argoasax"s generals, Alastor, Ifrit, some Devil Arms show in PoC, etc... just to name a few demons on this level that is 2-C, but still not strong enougth to be worth of Demon King title.

None of them are 2c nor woukd urizen have crazy knowdlege on especially since he yeeted his memories as nelo angelo and make all of them besides Malphas are death, Malphas isn't tirr 2 to begin with

 

[Mister6ame6]

Except the whole point of the statamamebt is that the new angelo uses Trish electricity as a power source and idk for what porpuse would urizen nerf when we know he can just ***** slap her, the armor also only held back vergil vision and reaction speed with the helmet.

Well, maybe for the same reasons Nightmare was sealed by Mundus, he was afraid of his powers that could treat his army and kingdom, not because he could treat himself. That's would explain why the devs says she is the best lightning user of the verse, but at the same time, got easely beat by a healthy shadow version of griffon who is also a lightning users.

In DMC4 Trish is comparable to Savior who is stronger them Agnus who can create a entire Demon World for himself, so she is kinda consistenty portrayed on Demon King tier

Otherwise, what would you propose for her in this case since in the files contradicts the game and manga.

And they are wrong, mundus doesn't know dante power like taht without testing it beforehand otherwise he wouldn't have sende fodders to Tony before makings the knights.

Some scans like this one says that Mundus feel treated by Dante, so even if he don't know his full power, he still think he is a treat for himself, so i would say that he defenely have a good measure of how strong Dante was at that time. Otherwise, he would have not send his best mans agaist him in DMC1 and even gifed them a portion of his own powers to help them figth agasit Dante himself!

In case of Tony, Mundus was sendind multiple demons and on eacth sequence failure, he sended or created more powerfulls demons to try to defeat him ultill the seal stoped him form sending more powerfull demons to try to kill him and Vergil (Explained in BtN Novel)

It's on dante profile.

Well, them we have a problem, because some translations difers there, in this one avaliable on divinity statue. They say that Dante is maybe strong them his dad on raw power, not that his seal abilites is better them Sparda himself. Some scans form DMC5 himself, even mentions that Dante required the Devil Sword Sparda to seal Mundus away. So it seems that this translation is wrong! Plus did they actually comform that Dante sealed the worlds once again in DMC1?

Slaying the current dk if he was able to stop dk tiers fron reaching

Urizen is far superior them Mundus and Argosax so kinda hard to use that as a metric to judge if someone is worth of being DK because of that. Is like saying that Bolverk is not worth of being 2-C just because of him being weaker them his king, despite being able to tango with Sparda's Pre-Rebellion/Sealed Sparda who is a strong as DMC1 Dante himself according to Phamtom and Griffon.

None of them are 2c nor woukd urizen have crazy knowdlege on especially since he yeeted his memories as nelo angelo and make all of them besides Malphas are death, Malphas isn't tirr 2 to begin with

Malphas is 2-C becaue of being to haxs V and his summons, which would make her 2-C becaue of AP=Hax, Mundus's Generals like Phamtom is able to break thogut Sparda's seal with easy even if it was weakened, Phamtom, Griffon and Shadow should scale above BH who can easely shake the HW just by existing, Baul and Modeus who can shake the DW with easy even when they were Sparda's aprendices and also should be stronger them the Demon Lords like Belphegor who was stated to be able to destroy the world in the anime

Alastor and Irfrit can awaken Dante's infinite potential in DMC1 as stated here, which would put them on the cosmic scale

Argosax's generals Bolverk and Balrog are 2-C rn, is even on their profiles so idk where you gotta that from

Some Devil Arms and Demons form PoC: Minotaur is able to survive a encouter with mf Pluto himself, this Devil Arm is stated to be able to rupture the infinity. Demon World and this one is able to cut through the eastern realm of the Demon World himself

As you can see, DMC have alot of Demon Kings levels or cosmic beings wandering the DW, and that's is what we know of course, so i say is pretty safe to say King Cerberus would have to deal with some demons in that level since he was protecting the entrance to the most powerfull demonic fruit of the entire verse

Plus, as show in PoC, some demons like Phamtom are species demons (Aka common demons) and they are still that strong considering one of them is worthy to be a general of Mundus himself.

 

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Well, maybe for the same reasons Nightmare was sealed by Mundus, he was afraid of his powers that could treat his army and kingdom, not because he could treat himself. That's would explain why the devs says she is the best lightning user of the verse, but at the same time, got easely beat by a healthy shadow version of griffon who is also a lightning users.

And Trish doesn't want to nuke the dw otherwise he would so idk why he would be a schizoid about it, he litterelly made lady far stronger.

DMC4 Trish is comparable to Savior who is stronger them Agnus who can create a entire Demon World for himself, so she is kinda consistenty portrayed on Demon King tier

I heavy doubt its combat applicable ap, agnus angel form isn't meant for fighting, he only relevant xuz he absorbs the energy of the fodder demons he leeches de from

Otherwise, what would you propose for her in this case since in the files contradicts the game and manga.

Files are wrong

Some scans like this one says that Mundus feel treated by Dante, so even if he don't know his full power, he still think he is a treat for himself, so i would say that he defenely have a good measure of how strong Dante was at that time. Otherwise, he would have not send his best mans agaist him in DMC1 and even gifed them a portion of his own powers to help them figth agasit Dante himself!

Ans then Trish is surprised Pikachu face that dante beat phantom and then dante gets no diffed by mundus. So it's questionable when trish is shocked Dante beating phantom was even possible.

Well, them we have a problem, because some translations difers there, in this one avaliable on divinity statue. They say that Dante is maybe strong them his dad on raw power, not that his seal abilites is better them Sparda himself. Some scans form DMC5 himself, even mentions that Dante required the Devil Sword Sparda to seal Mundus away. So it seems that this translation is wrong! Plus did they actually comform that Dante sealed the worlds once again in DMC1?

Then this is a topic for another revision cuz this revision doesn't affect if dante sealing > sparda.

Urizen is far superior them Mundus and Argosax so kinda hard to use that as a metric to judge if someone is worth of being DK because of that. Is like saying that Bolverk is not worth of being 2-C just because of him being weaker them his king, despite being able to tango with Sparda's Pre-Rebellion/Sealed Sparda who is a strong as DMC1 Dante himself according to Phamtom and Griffon.

King cerberus predates urizen and nothing suggest urizen gave a **** to amp him when we see urizen special methods of amping with lady and shit for exemple. Bolverk is different cuz his scaling doesn't come from being able to defeat a dk tier, he would die to them he just downscale. The dk scaling you suggest would imply that otherwise he wouldn't defend qlipotu from them.

Malphas is 2-C becaue of being to haxs V and his summons, which would make her 2-C becaue of AP=Hax, Mundus's Generals like Phamtom is able to break thogut Sparda's seal with easy even if it was weakened, Phamtom, Griffon and Shadow should scale above BH who can easely shake the HW just by existing, Baul and Modeus who can shake the DW with easy even when they were Sparda's aprendices and also should be stronger them the Demon Lords like Belphegor who was stated to be able to destroy the world in the anime

The whole point of why V is negged is cuz he too weak without summons and malphas just says you can't summon, hax = ap isnt necessary cuz V needs contract to even summon this level of stuff but his magic isn't taht strong otherwise he wouldn't need them.

Alastor and Irfrit can awaken Dante's infinite potential in DMC1 as stated here, which would put them on the cosmic scale

I mean kinda vague since they litterelly give him unique demonic forms.

Argosax's generals Bolverk and Balrog are 2-C rn, is even on their profiles so idk where you gotta that from

Urizen doesnt know about bolverk and balrog doesnt even have a profile.

 

[Mister6ame6]

And Trish doesn't want to nuke the dw otherwise he would so idk why he would be a schizoid about it, he litterelly made lady far stronger.

Well, fair point could be that she is too dangerus for Urizen's army

I heavy doubt its combat applicable ap, agnus angel form isn't meant for fighting, he only relevant xuz he absorbs the energy of the fodder demons he leeches de from

Well, Agnus mentions that he could defeat Nero after seeing his figth with Credo, and later thouth he could take Dante after the power boost. Dante even he could keep up with his movements if not for his bad bahavior, for someone that his physiology is not suited to figtht, he sures loves to get smoke with people who can beat alot of the strongest demons in DMC verse

Files are wrong

I see, is actually accepted that the files are dev intent or not? I heard some people saying they are!

Ans then Trish is surprised Pikachu face that dante beat phantom and then dante gets no diffed by mundus. So it's questionable when trish is shocked Dante beating phantom was even possible.

Well, she could actually got stronger by the end of the game when she accepted her humanity, since the devs mentions that she was finally able to break free from the spell that Mundus put on her

Then this is a topic for another revision cuz this revision doesn't affect if dante sealing > sparda.

Fair point

King cerberus predates urizen and nothing suggest urizen gave a **** to amp him when we see urizen special methods of amping with lady and shit for exemple. Bolverk is different cuz his scaling doesn't come from being able to defeat a dk tier, he would die to them he just downscale. The dk scaling you suggest would imply that otherwise he wouldn't defend qlipotu from them.

Bolverk is rival for Pre-Rebbellion Sparda who is stated by Phantom and Griffon that his powers rival of DMC1 Dante and Sealed Sparda who fougth and sealed all the DK including Argosax himself

So Bolverk is DK level by his own statement

We also have demons like Minotaur who fougth and survive a figtht agaist Pluto himself, not to mention Baul and Modeus, Belphegor, Mundus generals so cosmic tier demons kinda exist in abundance in DMC

The whole point of why V is negged is cuz he too weak without summons and malphas just says you can't summon, hax = ap isnt necessary cuz V needs contract to even summon this level of stuff but his magic isn't taht strong otherwise he wouldn't need them.

V's magic scale to his summmons is even on his profile

She bypassing their resistances and easely sealing them in the process would accout for V and Griffon being afraid of her

I mean kinda vague since they litterelly give him unique demonic forms.

I would it count since they mention that they awaken his sleeping demonic powers which is infinity energy, not something every devil arm can do, otherwise. DMC3 Dante would be high-3A with his Devil Arms

Urizen doesnt know about bolverk and balrog doesnt even have a profile.

Strange i thouth he would, he should defenely get one down in the line

Fair point on Bolverk tho

 

[chosen]

Well, fair point could be that she is too dangerus for Urizen's army

He doesn't give a shit about his army, after you nuke all his heavy hitters he doesn't give a single ****, even when trish was freed he didn't even got up from.his pretty throne.

Well, Agnus mentions that he could defeat Nero after seeing his figth with Credo, and later thouth he could take Dante after the power boost. Dante even he could keep up with his movements if not for his bad bahavior, for someone that his physiology is not suited to figtht, he sures loves to get smoke with people who can beat alot of the strongest demons in DMC verse

Via absorbing fodder demons, if he scales to dw in ap why he needs o summon fodder demons to absorbs their energy?

Well, she could actually got stronger by the end of the game when she accepted her humanity, since the devs mentions that she was finally able to break free from the spell that Mundus put on her

Her tier 2 scalings comes from start of game stuff tho, and you can't quantity how much power mundus used for restraining.

Bolverk is rival for Pre-Rebbellion Sparda who is stated by Phantom and Griffon that his powers rival of DMC1 Dante and Sealed Sparda who fougth and sealed all the DK including Argosax himself

Sparda has a period of time between beating mundus and sealing himself, for all we know there he could have been been in his sealing madness, doesn't matter cuz Urizen only has Mundus ans other mundus tiers as a point of reference

V's magic scale to his summmons is even on his profile

His power source is that strong, which isn't affected by Malphas, he still has that level of a power source.

She bypassing their resistances and easely sealing them in the process would accout for V and Griffon being afraid of her

There was no resistance to that to begin with.

I would it count since they mention that they awaken his sleeping demonic powers which is infinity energy, not something every devil arm can do, otherwise. DMC3 Dante would be high-3A with his Devil Arms

Cuz dmc3 Dante isnt that high yet, dmc1 dante > pluto.

 

[Mister6ame6]

He doesn't give a shit about his army, after you nuke all his heavy hitters he doesn't give a single ****, even when trish was freed he didn't even got up from.his pretty throne.

Well, true!

Via absorbing fodder demons, if he scales to dw in ap why he needs o summon fodder demons to absorbs their energy?

In the novel Agnus does mention that the demons passing thougth the Main Hell Gate are low tier demons like the others ones. So a is either mid tier demons plus some cosmic tier (Since Millions of demons would probably fit some demons on that tier)

Her tier 2 scalings comes from start of game stuff tho, and you can't quantity how much power mundus used for restraining.

Well, fair i guess

His power source is that strong, which isn't affected by Malphas, he still has that level of a power source.

I saying becasue of Shadow Nightamare since if she could affect it, them is pretty safe she can affect V's power source too.

There was no resistance to that to begin with.

Her haxs are resisted by even the fodders, she only have the scaling on her advantage here!

Cuz dmc3 Dante isnt that high yet, dmc1 dante > pluto.

True. Depends if the generals and Sparda's apreendices gets on that level or not.

 

[chosen]

I saying becasue of Shadow Nightamare since if she could affect it, them is pretty safe she can affect V's power source too.

Shadow Nightmare isn't purely tied to the power source anyways, he just some glob in V hair.

In the novel Agnus does mention that the demons passing thougth the Main Hell Gate are low tier demons like the others ones. So a is either mid tier demons plus some cosmic tier (Since Millions of demons would probably fit some demons on that tier)

Still get sussy if tier 9 demons can provide him a relevant amp when he tier 2

 

[Random-Helper323]

Wait, 2-C Agnus? Based on his ability to create his own pseudo hell dimension, right? Do we have any confirmation on what size that dimension is?

 

[Mister6ame6]

Shadow Nightmare isn't purely tied to the power source anyways, he just some glob in V hair.

Still get sussy if tier 9 demons can provide him a relevant amp when he tier 2

Fair points!

Wait, 2-C Agnus? Based on his ability to create his own pseudo hell dimension, right? Do we have any confirmation on what size that dimension is?

The Graphic File and enemy file just "His own artificial Demon World"

It is assumed that is on original size unless explicity specified i think.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I need this thread conclude soon as well mind you. You have exactly 1-2 weeks

 

[Mister6ame6]

I need this thread conclude soon as well mind you. You have exactly 1-2 weeks

Well, called staff now since nobody is responding this thread for a week!

Also the keys gets from 2-C to 2-A, likely Low 1-C now!

Congratulations man you did a awnsome job there!

 

[Mister6ame6]

Royal Bump

 

[Ryu-Strongest-Fighter-in-Universe]

Im completely agree with this

 

[Mister6ame6]

Anyway

Sending a resume here for people to see more easy

1- BB isn't contested

2- Twins wasn't contested but sonic think it could be hyperbole

3- Furiaturus is figurative as established by sonic

4- Nefasturis is just him getting empowered from a 4d dimension

5- Nobody was argued as hax only, Mister thinks thanks to the layers "hax potency = ap" it could be scaled to ap'' (What you guys think?).

6- Agnus i argued isn't combat ap cuz he isn't supposed to be a combat based devil + he even finds low tiers demons energy as worthy

7- Trish i argued against cuz the statamamebt has no sense to include her armored self and that armored self is bodied by a griffon and cat weakened so files are contradicted by feats. Mundus statamamebt doesn't work cuz dmc3 dabte shown way higher powrr than trish hopes to like being able to nuke dmc3 mundus yet trish surprised Pikachu face that dante can kill phantom

8- The pushing wall feat doesn't work cuz atm profiles accept that dante seal > spardas so you can't use that ti upscale from urizen

9- Baul and modeus are from sparda army so you can't upscale generals from them is what I Chosen argued unless Dante's seal gets a nerf to Sparda's level

10- King cerberus being strong enough to stop demon kings is questionable when we know he can't beat one

11- V stuff is pure hax based on removing his ability to summons which we know it doesn't affect his power source