Matchbanning Man-Thing

[The_Impress]

So if anyone is unaware, we have had a Classic Man-Thing page for a while, that I made, but it actually creates an interesting scenario with the way the site works.

Man-Thing is too dumb to understand concepts other than emotional ones, and possesses no sense of self-preservation or self-defense (Consistently that is, there are one or two out of character issues for him).

This creates a scenario that Man-Thing won't understand basic match conditions so he can't be convinced to fight the opponent, so he'll just go about his day unless there are two conditions:

• The opponent feels fear, in which case Man-Thing will attack them, but if they stop feeling fear or have any other emotion with it, like anger or frustration, Man-Thing won't attack them
• The opponent is exceptionally evil, but this is wildly inconsistent, the only remote consistency being you literally have to be the devil.

So I think noting these, it's best to matchban the Man-Thing.

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima @Eficiente

I guess input, it's a minor change

 

[Overlord775]

considering he pretty much can't fight unless in a very specific scenario, yeah, he should be match banned

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't see the point of a complete match-ban, why couldn't we make matches against characters who would be afraid/evil enough to qualify?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Eh what’s the point of match banning him, just throw him at the devil lol

 

[Overlord775]

I don't see the point of a complete match-ban, why couldn't we make matches against characters who would be afraid/evil enough to qualify?

because both of those requirements are up to interpretation from what i understand

 

[The_Impress]

I don't see the point of a complete match-ban, why couldn't we make matches against characters who would be afraid/evil enough to qualify?

It's just... really ******* vague what is evil enough to qualify

 

[Tllmbrg]

Can't you literally just write "For the sake of the match we'll assume Man-Thing finds them evil enough"

 

[The_Impress]

"For the sake of the match we'll make shit it up"

:/

 

[Armorchompy]

we already do that by forcing characters to be willing to kill even if it's completely against their morals.

 

[The_Impress]

That's where that ends, though, we don't do more than that :v

 

[Overlord775]

we already do that by forcing characters to be willing to kill even if it's completely against their morals.

this is very different though, it would be activelly adding intelligence to the Man Thing

it would be like giving a bear the intelligence of a human in a match

 

[Eficiente]

I don't know. We can make a bear in a match want to attack someone w/o ever giving up to do something else even if a number of things happens that would make a normal bear not fight anymore, like not finding its foe, or if its foe is super tiny and fast and flies circles around the bear or annoyingly makes the bear chase it, or turn into a giant beyond what the bear would think it can defeat, regardless of if it can, when a normal animal would just walk away. And any match with any animal can start 4kms apart fromt their foe.

So, it seems that we do give extra intelligence to opponents if they lack it themselves? We should add limits to it later, but the general idea that X would know it needs to be Y seems fine.

 

[The_Impress]

...we shouldn't do that then?

Also arguably animals will at least counterattack defensively, Man-Thing doesn't... do that

Idk, this is a very weird topic

 

[Overlord775]

I don't know. We can make a bear in a match want to attack someone w/o ever giving up to do something else even if a number of things happens that would make a normal bear not fight anymore, like not finding its foe, or if its foe is super tiny and fast and flies circles around the bear or annoyingly makes the bear chase it, or turn into a giant beyond what the bear would think it can defeat, regardless of if it can, when a normal animal would just walk away. And any match with any animal can start 4kms apart fromt their foe.

So, it seems that we do give extra intelligence to opponents if they lack it themselves? We should add limits to it later, but the general idea that X would know it needs to be Y seems fine.

except again, that is very different

a bear has the concept of fighting/hunting/combact build into it, of activelly wanting to kill something, so you just have to force it to care enough to continue the fight

Meanwhile Man Thing doesn't even has that, it doesn't have the mental capacilities to understand that it even has an opponent, it lacks the concept of caring. You can't fight if you don't comprehend fighting entirely.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This is certainly.... something.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think the only time Man-thing should be used in a match is if bloodlusted, if that even works

 

[Antvasima]

I do not mind a match ban footnote in the Man-Thing's page if it would be too impractical to apply matches for him. It isn't a big deal.

 

[Hellbeast]

If we're banning him entirely what's the point of even having his page in a VS Debating site?

 

[Armorchompy]

This is an indexing site too. We already have a couple of matchbanned profiles

 

[The_Impress]

Yeah, we're also indexing.

Also you can still make like, F&G stuff with him

 

[Hellbeast]

True but considering

• He has such a massiver variation in powers it's difficult to properly index him
• His pwoers were significantly altered after his death (whuch we don't index on his page)\
• He might not even fight in character

I'm not seeing a lot to actually keep his page

You raise a good point on the matchbanned profiles but weren't those typically for verses under revision (Like the Dark Tower?)

 

[The_Impress]

I'm not seeing a lot to actually keep his page

Even if this was legit, I will stonewall this immensely out of my staff powa, so good luck u dummdumm

 

[Hellbeast]

I'll just bait Ant by mentioning it's inconsistent

Checkmate

 

[The_Impress]

True but considering

• He has such a massiver variation in powers it's difficult to properly index him

No, we completely indexed him, it's one of the most perfect comic profiles onsite

• His pwoers were significantly altered after his death (whuch we don't index on his page)

Imo because he's an entirely separate character, and he will use this file as justification for his tier. The current version of Man-Thing is vs. debating viable

• He might not even fight in character

That doesn't dictate why characters are on the wiki

You raise a good point on the matchbanned profiles but weren't those typically for verses under revision (Like the Dark Tower?)

No, we've had matchbanned profiles by default. Barney comes to mind.

 

[Armorchompy]

Imo because he's an entirely separate character, and he will use this file as justification for his tier. The current version of Man-Thing is vs. debating viable

That should be specified in the matchban

 

[The_Impress]

That should be specified in the matchban

I mean, it'll be a separate profile, so

 

[Armorchompy]

Still, it would be good to make the distinction

 

[The_Impress]

...ig

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, we really are mainly an indexing site, so we should keep the page.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think the only time Man-thing should be used in a match is if bloodlusted, if that even works

@The_Impress

 

[The_Impress]

It doesn't work tho, he still doesn't understand wincons, kek

 

[Antvasima]

So is it fine if Impress applies this change? It seems quite harmless and trivial.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Feel free to do so then. After that we can probably close this thread.