Master Chief massive upgrades

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It's time the DOOM debaters remembered whose genre it was before it was theirs.​

Master Chief's Mark VI and onward should be upgraded to Building level physically

• He can punch a Wraith hard enough that it entirely falls apart after a couple punches
  • Thanks to character customization, it is possible to equip Master Chief with his Mark V instead of his Mark VI for Halo 3, while he can still replicate this feat. This is notable because, through similar customization, we have Doomguy as canonically being able to get through Eternal even if he only has his Doom 1 armor.
    • For some disturbing reason, Mickey, an ODST, can also do this.
• He punched through the Prophet of Regret's forcefield, which can withstand any other weapon like Rocket Launchers
• The Mark VI Mjolnir armor is stronger than the Mark V by a factor of 5

His GEN 2/3 armor should also have a far higher via Spartan Charge and Spartan Ground Pound, due to being able to oneshot identical MJOLNIR suits.

The Mark VI armor has been accepted to be Multi-City Block level via Self-Destruction

John Halo's bomb pulling feat in his Mark VI was calced to Class 100. His Gen 3 armor also has a Class 100 feat as well, much more casually.

A Monitor's beam was able to vaporize part of a Hunter, bringing their AP to Large Building. Like we already have on his profile, MC can take 1 or 2 shots from Guilty Spark's very same beam, giving him Large Building level Durability.

Social Influencing (Social Position, Reputation, Leadership, and Charisma): Even to other Spartans he is a trusted leader to be respected and emulated. To other soldiers he is a savior even when death is close at hand. To human civilians he is like a titan coming to the rescue. To the Covenant he is a demon capable of untold horrors, yet brought knowledge that prevented their extinction.

Supernatural Luck: John has experienced "exceptional luck" that "followed him through his life". His luck literally following him throughout his entire life is the reason that Fred, a Spartan that literally equaled John across the board, could never match him.

Vehicular Mastery: No, his page seriously doesn't have this yet. Anyone who's played Halo for 2 picoseconds knows why Master Chief has Vehicular Mastery. Even if he couldn't just straight up use any vehicle in the game upon getting into it, he's also responsible for both the "Warthog Runs" in the verse, as well as: a "Ghost Run", piloted a Mantis (a vehicle he had never seen before) well enough to kill hundreds of Covenant and Prometheans, and even pulled off a Death Star-type trench run in a Longsword where a single mistake meant death, all in Halo 4. Also he has the Vehicular Masters category but not the actual ability.

Supernatural Willpower: No, his page seriously doesn't have this one either. In case it's not immediately obvious why basically the king of video game wars would have this, he would have to have this trait considering:

• the amount of people he's lost in the war (His Spartan friends both when he was 14 and during the war, both Keyeses, Sgt. Johnson, Dr. Tillson, Cortana, possibly Jameson Locke, MANY marines) and continued to put noses in brains like nothing happened
• he has witnessed several times the same Flood infection that reduced a young Marine to a blubbering mess and nearly kill himself, to a much higher degree like the Flood eating a squad of Marines alive earlier in the level
• the lengths he went to to save Cortana.

Marksmanship: Take a wild ******* guess why he should have Marksmanship.

Acrobatics: Did a sick ass backflip against a War Chieftain

Non-Standard Breathing: His suit would protect him from the Flood altering the atmosphere, and allows him to breathe in space

Clairvoyance via motion tracker, for obvious reasons (Doomguy, GLaDOS, etc have the same ability for identical tech)

Telepathy with Cortana: Even when not connected electronically, Master Chief could still hear messages from her and even directly referenced her famous monologue at the start of the game which he had no way of hearing. In Halo 5, Cortana straight up gives him a vision and shows him a Guardian, which he had never seen before, despite also not being connected.

Self-Energy Manipulation: His suit's energy field can be put to other uses, such as an electromagnetic pulse or powering a Ghost to have infinite boost time

Sometimes I wish Cortana was my mom.

Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Survived his vitals dropping to the levels they'd normally be if he had been killed, without noticing, and frequently shrugs off the messages that cause this to happen throughout Halo 3

Resistance to Temperature Manipulation: SPARTAN-IIs are augmented and further trained to be able to withstand flash-thawing with almost no negative effects, which is fatal to normal UNSC soldiers. Master Chief can tank multiple Sentinel beams despite MJOLNIR's Mk. V being only a Class 2 Combat Skin while a Class 12 was recommended, and Guilty Spark considering Chief's own weapons inferior to the Sentinels. He is also completely fine in the arctic areas of Halo rings.

Resistance to Sound Manipulation: Is unaffected by any of the loud explosions in the verse, which made Noble Six frequently lose his hearing

Resistance to Corruption and Disease Manipulation: Infection-type Flood die on his suit just from touching it, even if its shields are down (I legitimately cannot find a scan of this despite looking for hours; you know what I'm talking about)

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Has spent years around Plasma Grenades and their radiation, which would give normal people Boren's Syndrome like Sgt. Johnson

Resistance to Gravity Manipulation: Survived Requiem's gravity well, which Cortana believed would tear them apart, and was visibly breaking apart even Covenant Carriers

Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Master Chief's armor withstands atmospheric re-entry with literally zero issue while it's initially being tested by Maria (Armor Testing). In an actual game, Master Chief's nanomachine-improved Mark VI in Halo 4 withstood atmospheric re-entry onto Requiem, while already knocked out, without the Forerunner platform like in Halo 3

Resistance to Technology Manipulation: GEN 2 MJOLNIR armor withstands repeated Guardian pulses even at point blank, which can turn off entire space stations and most of Earth's surface

An upgrade to at least Genius intelligence, or at least a much better written and worded Intelligence section:

• SPARTAN-IIs were made from such astronomically impossible genetic selection criteria that they needed to take over 39 billion samples just to get a good amount of them, and even then they all exceeded this criteria, giving even their 8 year old selves "dazzling intellects" and remarkable cognitive absorption rates. John himself at this age was able to win 45 games of King of the Hill in a row against these children, injuring many of them.
• The current description of his experience is not nearly comprehensive. As of now, he's fought human soldiers, every race in the Covenant, the Flood, Forerunners, the Prometheans/Created, and the Banished (to the point of their civilization starting to crumble).
• By the time of Halo: Combat Evolved, 343 Guilty Spark seemed to regard Master Chief as one of humanity's greatest accomplishments.
• Halo Man's skill in vehicles should also be represented.

 

[Random-Helper323]

For the non standard breathing, his suit also let him handle outer space without issue.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

For the non standard breathing, his suit also let him handle outer space without issue.

Yes, I have that listed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

He can punch a Wraith hard enough that it entirely falls apart after a couple punches

The feat they scale to is this one, which is 0.35 Tons which is 1.4x above baseline 8-C. Not only did it take multiple punches, but in your clip, he was also attacking the weak point of the Wraith tank and the the tank itself is still mostly intact. This fits in with his current 9-A+ rating.

Thanks to character customization, it is possible to equip Master Chief with his Mark V instead of his Mark VI for Halo 3, while he can still replicate this feat. This is notable because, through similar customization, we have Doomguy as canonically being able to get through Eternal even if he only has his Doom 1 armor.

Canonically, the story explicitly states he is in his Mark VI armor. All character customization is a non-canon element.

For some disturbing reason, Mickey, an ODST, can also do this.

This is also a gameplay mechanic. In the cutscenes, they're overpowered by Brutes, and more importantly, no ODST ever performs a remotely similar showing in any other medium. The game is built on the Halo 3 engine, and it's just a carryover mechanic from it.

He punched through the Prophet of Regret's forcefield, which can withstand any other weapon like Rocket Launchers

Did he punch through it or around it? Because when punches you don't see shield flare like you do with bullets and blood comes out.

His GEN 2/3 armor should also have a far higher via Spartan Charge and Spartan Ground Pound, due to being able to oneshot identical MJOLNIR suits.

Fine with a "higher" rating for the suit powers since they're separate from weapons and we do something similar with durability.

The Mark VI armor has been accepted to be Multi-City Block level via Self-Destruction

John Halo's bomb pulling feat in his Mark VI was calced to Class 100. His Gen 3 armor also has a Class 100 feat as well, much more casually.

A Monitor's beam was able to vaporize part of a Hunter, bringing their AP to Large Building. Like we already have on his profile, MC can take 1 or 2 shots from Guilty Spark's very same beam, giving him Large Building level Durability.

I believe @VersusJunkie54 , @Hellbeast , @HammerStrikes219 , and @XSOULOFCINDERX were all planning on a MC Halo revision. I forget exactly what the draft is like, but I'd ask them to comment since this was a big push for a Halo revision

Social Influencing (Social Position, Reputation, Leadership, and Charisma): Even to other Spartans he is a trusted leader to be respected and emulated. To other soldiers he is a savior even when death is close at hand. To human civilians he is like a titan coming to the rescue. To the Covenant he is a demon capable of untold horrors, yet brought knowledge that prevented their extinction.

Generally fine with everything I guess. Though Charisma is pretty funny to give MC.

Supernatural Luck: John has experienced "exceptional luck" that "followed him through his life". His luck literally following him throughout his entire life is the reason that Fred, a Spartan that literally equaled John across the board, could never match him.

Per the rules:

While many characters can be described as lucky or unlucky, some have their luck pushed to extreme, supernatural extent. At the level of Supernatural Luck, one's good or bad fortune can be compared to passive Probability Manipulation, often overlapping for some characters, as they are followed by fortune in everything they do and everywhere they go, to the point that impossible coincidences line up again and again in or against their favor. Being lucky or unlucky in itself is not enough to have this ability - a character's exceptional luck must be a real ability or supernatural aspect of them.

He does not qualify. Even people with meme tier like King from OPM and Mr. Satan from DBZ do not have this power for the above reason.

Vehicular Mastery:

Fine with this, but I'd need to see a summary of the description as well since the examples you have would make it a bit bloated.

Supernatural Willpower: No, his page seriously doesn't have this one either. In case it's not immediately obvious why basically the king of video game wars would have this, he would have to have this trait considering:

• the amount of people he's lost in the war (His Spartan friends both when he was 14 and during the war, both Keyeses, Sgt. Johnson, Dr. Tillson, Cortana, possibly Jameson Locke, MANY marines) and continued to put noses in brains like nothing happened
• he has witnessed several times the same Flood infection that reduced a young Marine to a blubbering mess and nearly kill himself, to a much higher degree like the Flood eating a squad of Marines alive earlier in the level
• the lengths he went to to save Cortana.

Of these, only the second one would count and even then I'm not sure if it would. Per the page:

Supernatural Willpower is the ability to exceed one's own limits through sheer willpower to a degree extremely far beyond real human standards.

Although some characters can be considered to have a great will to achieve their goals or give their all in a fight, characters that have a willpower on this level can go vastly beyond what should logically be possible for them, with more extreme cases being able to oppose natural phenomena such as death.

Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality.

Note: This ability should only be given to characters that have explicitly displayed far beyond human levels of mental endurance. This may have been demonstrated in the form of a highly reliable statement or a significant event. An example of the latter would be Roronoa Zoro taking in all of Monkey D. Luffy's pain at once.

Other Marines don't break down from Flood infections and other normal humans like the Rookie/Mick made it through a similar amount of terrors without breaking down. He has high willpower, but I don't see supernatural willpower.

Marksmanship: Take a wild ******* guess why he should have Marksmanship.

I disagree agree, though you'd still need to show examples of his marksmanship such as his run and gun scene from the Halo anime shorts.

Acrobatics: Did a sick ass backflip against a War Chieftain

Agree, but this is probably a better example of acrobatics for the page.

Non-Standard Breathing: His suit would protect him from the Flood altering the atmosphere, and allows him to breathe in space

Clairvoyance via motion tracker, for obvious reasons (Doomguy, GLaDOS, etc have the same ability for identical tech)

Fine with both

Telepathy with Cortana: Even when not connected electronically, Master Chief could still hear messages from her and even directly referenced her famous monologue at the start of the game which he had no way of hearing. In Halo 5, Cortana straight up gives him a vision and shows him a Guardian, which he had never seen before, despite also not being connected.

Fine, though this may be more Forerunner Tech shenanigans than Cortana herself.

Self-Energy Manipulation: His suit's energy field can be put to other uses, such as an electromagnetic pulse or powering a Ghost to have infinite boost time

While I agree, he can only use these powers with an AI on board, since they're the ones who perform the feats and not MC

Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Survived his vitals dropping to the levels they'd normally be if he had been killed, without noticing, and frequently shrugs off the messages that cause this to happen throughout Halo 3

That's not resistance to biological manipulation. That's just his suit letting him survive a deadly fall. Even then I don't know if he really died, since MJOLNIR can enter pseudo-hibernation states if the SPARTAN is stranded or injured iirc.

Resistance to Temperature Manipulation: SPARTAN-IIs are augmented and further trained to be able to withstand flash-thawing with almost no negative effects, which is fatal to normal UNSC soldiers. Master Chief can tank multiple Sentinel beams despite MJOLNIR's Mk. V being only a Class 2 Combat Skin while a Class 12 was recommended, and Guilty Spark considering Chief's own weapons inferior to the Sentinels. He is also completely fine in the arctic areas of Halo rings.

None of this is resistance to temperature manipulation. Resistance means that he would resist being frozen or warmed up. This is just endurance and the armor being environmentally sealed.

Resistance to Sound Manipulation: Is unaffected by any of the loud explosions in the verse, which made Noble Six frequently lose his hearing

This is the MJOLNIR armor, not John. It has sound dampening technology.

Resistance to Corruption and Disease Manipulation: Infection-type Flood die on his suit just from touching it, even if its shields are down (I legitimately cannot find a scan of this despite looking for hours; you know what I'm talking about)

Gameplay doesn't equal lore in all cases. Per the novel Halo: The Flood John would've just instantly died to a Flood Infection as soon as it pierced his armor if it wasn't for Cortana saving him last minute:

Without warning, a combat form leaped on his back and smashed a large wrench into his helmet. His shield dropped away from the force of the blow, which allowed an infection form to land on his visor.

Even as he staggered under the impact, and pawed at the form’s slick body, a penetrator punched its way through his neck seal, located his bare skin, and sliced it open.

The Spartan gave a cry of pain, felt the tentacle slide down toward his spine, and knew it was over.

Though unable to pick up a weapon and kill the infection form directly, Cortana had other resources, and rushed to use them. Careful not to drain too much power, the AI diverted some energy away from the MJOLNIR armor, and made use of it to create an electrical discharge. The infection form started to vibrate as the electricity coursed through it. The Chief jerked as the Flood form’s penetrator delivered a shock to his nervous system, and the pod popped, misting the Spartan’s visor with green blood spray.

The Chief could see well enough to fight, however, and did so, killing the wrench-wielding combat form with a burst of bullets.

“Sorry about that,” Cortana said, as the Spartan cleared the area around him, “but I couldn’t think of anything else to do.”

“You did fine,” he replied, pausing to reload. “That was close.”

So Chief does not have any degree of corruption resistance and would make no sense lore wise.

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Has spent years around Plasma Grenades and their radiation, which would give normal people Boren's Syndrome like Sgt. Johnson

This and surviving in outer space are good imo

Resistance to Gravity Manipulation: Survived Requiem's gravity well, which Cortana believed would tear them apart, and was visibly breaking apart even Covenant Carriers

Resistance to gravity manipulation means you resist the effects of gravity, which I don't think happened here. He just survived due to luck and debris getting in the way.

Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Master Chief's armor withstands atmospheric re-entry with literally zero issue while it's initially being tested by Maria (Armor Testing). In an actual game, Master Chief's nanomachine-improved Mark VI in Halo 4 withstood atmospheric re-entry onto Requiem, while already knocked out, without the Forerunner platform like in Halo 3

The former doesn't count, as he has the reentry backpack on, which is what Noble 6 also used to survive their fall from orbit.

Second, this isn't fire manipulation but friction from reentry. It would be temperature or heat resistance.

Resistance to Technology Manipulation: GEN 2 MJOLNIR armor withstands repeated Guardian pulses even at point blank, which can turn off entire space stations and most of Earth's surface

The links go to the same place. Either way this seems more like EMP resistance rather than technology manipulation.

An upgrade to at least Genius intelligence:

• SPARTAN-IIs were made from such astronomically impossible genetic selection criteria that they needed to take over 39 billion samples just to get a good amount of them, and even then they all exceeded this criteria, giving even their 8 year old selves "dazzling intellects" and remarkable cognitive absorption rates. John himself at this age was able to win 45 games of King of the Hill in a row against these children, injuring many of them.
• The current description of his experience is not nearly comprehensive. As of now, he's fought human soldiers, every race in the Covenant, the Flood, Forerunners, the Prometheans/Created, and the Banished (to the point of their civilization starting to crumble).
• By the time of Halo: Combat Evolved, 343 Guilty Spark seemed to regard Master Chief as one of humanity's greatest accomplishments.
• Halo Man's skill in vehicles should also be represented.

Going by intelligence ratings:

Gifted: Characters who demonstrate high reasoning ability, can master difficult concepts with few repetitions, and display high performance capability or notable mastery in intellectual or specific academic fields, which makes them equivalent to real-world experts in these areas.

Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.

MC has nothing putting him above Gifted. The first and second one fit that definition, the third doesn't belong to MC but Halsey, and the last one doesn't have to do with raw intelligence on the wiki.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Master Chief's Mark VI and onward should be upgraded to Building level physically

• He can punch a Wraith hard enough that it entirely falls apart after a couple punches
  • Thanks to character customization, it is possible to equip Master Chief with his Mark V instead of his Mark VI for Halo 3, while he can still replicate this feat. This is notable because, through similar customization, we have Doomguy as canonically being able to get through Eternal even if he only has his Doom 1 armor.
    • For some disturbing reason, Mickey, an ODST, can also do this.
• He punched through the Prophet of Regret's forcefield, which can withstand any other weapon like Rocket Launchers
• The Mark VI Mjolnir armor is stronger than the Mark V by a factor of 5

• First of all, I don't even think Wraiths and other vehicles should have 8-C durability in the first place, especially not Warthogs. One-shotting Spartans in gameplay (Which is the literally the only justification for the current ratings) is just game mechanics. Not to mention, running at full speed would only be 9-B levels of KE + speeding vehicles consistently one shot each other in canon too; and all the tanks have consistently blown up after a couple of 9-B attacks. The fact that an ODST who has no right to be any higher than 9-B can also do the feat doesn't help the cause either. But ultimately, as Qawsed laid out, this is a chain reaction that isn't that impressive
• As for a common theme in Halo, energy shields are specifically programmed to react to heat, (Typically through plasma, radiation, or the friction of fast projectiles). But otherwise, durability via shields have always been known for inconsistencies here and there. But what is consistent however is that the protection it grants against slower/heavier attacks such as melee attacks tends to be minimal compared to the protection lighter/faster attacks such as bullets and rockets which are in turn somewhat more minimal compared to pure heat based attacks such as Covenant Plasma and Sentinel Beams. Plus, my old rocket launcher calculation was outdated/wanked when some pages were made, and I have since recalculated them to be in the 9-B to 9-A range. I know Versus Junkie also made 8-C calculations, but I pointed out other flaws numerous times such as our air blast radius method applies when the explosion happens on Earth and not when the explosion happens in outer space.
• Mjolnir stuff is fine in theory, but kindly read our Multipliers page. 5 times strength sometimes refers to force or lifting capacity rather than energy output capability. I do not have a contention per say, but a devil's advocate, can you be confident on the lack of contradictions?

Lastly, multipliers will obviously only be used if they are not contradicted. A typical case of that would be if a character gets 10 times stronger, but fighters that were previously equal to it can still somehow keep up.

His GEN 2/3 armor should also have a far higher via Spartan Charge and Spartan Ground Pound, due to being able to oneshot identical MJOLNIR suits.

Looks okay

The Mark VI armor has been accepted to be Multi-City Block level via Self-Destruction

Soul of Cinder already made a thread proposing it, but it's alright.

John Halo's bomb pulling feat in his Mark VI was calced to Class 100. His Gen 3 armor also has a Class 100 feat as well, much more casually.

Doesn't look like either calculation in Class 100 was accepted, only the Class 25 one. The latter wasn't even commented but looks promising.

A Monitor's beam was able to vaporize part of a Hunter, bringing their AP to Large Building. Like we already have on his profile, MC can take 1 or 2 shots from Guilty Spark's very same beam, giving him Large Building level Durability.

As for my repeated concerns, this would only apply to his shields granting him that level of protection against pure heat as opposed to blunt force trauma. Yes, Guilty Sparks Beam has generated some minimal degrees of force/overpressure given it also topples and knocks targets over, but that's not enough to justify the overpressure generated being equal to thermal energy output. Otherwise, that's kind of the same thing as giving an average human IRL a solid Wall level durability because they survived getting urinated on.

Social Influencing (Social Position, Reputation, Leadership, and Charisma): Even to other Spartans he is a trusted leader to be respected and emulated. To other soldiers he is a savior even when death is close at hand. To human civilians he is like a titan coming to the rescue. To the Covenant he is a demon capable of untold horrors, yet brought knowledge that prevented their extinction.

Just Social Influencing would suffice as ability, but description is alright.

Supernatural Luck: John has experienced "exceptional luck" that "followed him through his life". His luck literally following him throughout his entire life is the reason that Fred, a Spartan that literally equaled John across the board, could never match him.

As Qawsed laid out + I literally explained to you three different times, he is the literal text book definition of someone who does NOT qualify.

Vehicular Mastery: No, his page seriously doesn't have this yet. Anyone who's played Halo for 2 picoseconds knows why Master Chief has Vehicular Mastery. Even if he couldn't just straight up use any vehicle in the game upon getting into it, he's also responsible for both the "Warthog Runs" in the verse, as well as: a "Ghost Run", piloted a Mantis (a vehicle he had never seen before) well enough to kill hundreds of Covenant and Prometheans, and even pulled off a Death Star-type trench run in a Longsword where a single mistake meant death, all in Halo 4. Also he has the Vehicular Masters category but not the actual ability.

This is fine

Supernatural Willpower: No, his page seriously doesn't have this one either. In case it's not immediately obvious why basically the king of video game wars would have this, he would have to have this trait considering:

• the amount of people he's lost in the war (His Spartan friends both when he was 14 and during the war, both Keyeses, Sgt. Johnson, Dr. Tillson, Cortana, possibly Jameson Locke, MANY marines) and continued to put noses in brains like nothing happened
• he has witnessed several times the same Flood infection that reduced a young Marine to a blubbering mess and nearly kill himself, to a much higher degree like the Flood eating a squad of Marines alive earlier in the level
• the lengths he went to to save Cortana.

That's not really "Supernatural" Willpower as he's not resisting supernatural powers/hax via will power, just courage. And otherwise, having a resistance to biology and/or virus manipulation.

Marksmanship: Take a wild ******* guess why he should have Marksmanship.

That's just weapon mastery, and he's not demonstrating Robocop/Terminator levels of ballistic precision or what various Anime characters do. That's just standard jack of all trades military level you only shown thus far.

Acrobatics: Did a sick ass backflip against a War Chieftain

Same thoughts as Qawsed

Non-Standard Breathing: His suit would protect him from the Flood altering the atmosphere, and allows him to breathe in space

Clairvoyance via motion tracker, for obvious reasons (Doomguy, GLaDOS, etc have the same ability for identical tech)

Both fine

Telepathy with Cortana: Even when not connected electronically, Master Chief could still hear messages from her and even directly referenced her famous monologue at the start of the game which he had no way of hearing. In Halo 5, Cortana straight up gives him a vision and shows him a Guardian, which he had never seen before, despite also not being connected.

There's a lot of unknowns there, but sounds more like a feat for Cortana using Forerunner technology to reach him and nothing special about Master Chief there.

Self-Energy Manipulation: His suit's energy field can be put to other uses, such as an electromagnetic pulse or powering a Ghost to have infinite boost time

Agree with Qawsed

Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Survived his vitals dropping to the levels they'd normally be if he had been killed, without noticing, and frequently shrugs off the messages that cause this to happen throughout Halo 3

Resistance to Temperature Manipulation: SPARTAN-IIs are augmented and further trained to be able to withstand flash-thawing with almost no negative effects, which is fatal to normal UNSC soldiers. Master Chief can tank multiple Sentinel beams despite MJOLNIR's Mk. V being only a Class 2 Combat Skin while a Class 12 was recommended, and Guilty Spark considering Chief's own weapons inferior to the Sentinels. He is also completely fine in the arctic areas of Halo rings.

Resistance to Sound Manipulation: Is unaffected by any of the loud explosions in the verse, which made Noble Six frequently lose his hearing

Resistance to Corruption and Disease Manipulation: Infection-type Flood die on his suit just from touching it, even if its shields are down (I legitimately cannot find a scan of this despite looking for hours; you know what I'm talking about)

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Has spent years around Plasma Grenades and their radiation, which would give normal people Boren's Syndrome like Sgt. Johnson

Resistance to Gravity Manipulation: Survived Requiem's gravity well, which Cortana believed would tear them apart, and was visibly breaking apart even Covenant Carriers

Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Master Chief's armor withstands atmospheric re-entry with literally zero issue while it's initially being tested by Maria (Armor Testing). In an actual game, Master Chief's nanomachine-improved Mark VI in Halo 4 withstood atmospheric re-entry onto Requiem, while already knocked out, without the Forerunner platform like in Halo 3

Resistance to Technology Manipulation: GEN 2 MJOLNIR armor withstands repeated Guardian pulses even at point blank, which can turn off entire space stations and most of Earth's surface

Agree with Qawsed on all of this.

An upgrade to at least Genius intelligence:

• SPARTAN-IIs were made from such astronomically impossible genetic selection criteria that they needed to take over 39 billion samples just to get a good amount of them, and even then they all exceeded this criteria, giving even their 8 year old selves "dazzling intellects" and remarkable cognitive absorption rates. John himself at this age was able to win 45 games of King of the Hill in a row against these children, injuring many of them.
• The current description of his experience is not nearly comprehensive. As of now, he's fought human soldiers, every race in the Covenant, the Flood, Forerunners, the Prometheans/Created, and the Banished (to the point of their civilization starting to crumble).
• By the time of Halo: Combat Evolved, 343 Guilty Spark seemed to regard Master Chief as one of humanity's greatest accomplishments.
• Halo Man's skill in vehicles should also be represented.

Again, none of that Genius, only Gifted at best. Plus it is now against the rules to give intelligence ratings purely based on combat experience/skill. As pointed out to you on numerous occasions.

 

[Hellbeast]

It's time the DOOM debaters remembered whose genre it was before it was theirs.​

Master Chief's Mark VI and onward should be upgraded to Building level physically

• He can punch a Wraith hard enough that it entirely falls apart after a couple punches
  • Thanks to character customization, it is possible to equip Master Chief with his Mark V instead of his Mark VI for Halo 3, while he can still replicate this feat. This is notable because, through similar customization, we have Doomguy as canonically being able to get through Eternal even if he only has his Doom 1 armor.

This feels kind of wanky since canonically he’s wearing the Mark VI though we do see Mark IV has similar showings so it’s not too crazy

• • • For some disturbing reason, Mickey, an ODST, can also do this.

Mickey > Master Chief when

• He punched through the Prophet of Regret's forcefield, which can withstand any other weapon like Rocket Launchers

This feels like a cheat but I guess I can see this

• The Mark VI Mjolnir armor is stronger than the Mark V by a factor of 5

I’d also note the Encyclopedia mentions every Mjolnir generation is an improvement over the previous one

His GEN 2/3 armor should also have a far higher via Spartan Charge and Spartan Ground Pound, due to being able to oneshot identical MJOLNIR suits.

This feels like a gameplay conceit tbh

The fact the Mjolnir suits can withstand their own charges means they can, in fact, endure those forces. It’s also pretty consistent across the board with stuff like Chief tanking that crater in Halo 4 and the litany of other Small Building - Building feats

The Mark VI armor has been accepted to be Multi-City Block level via Self-Destruction

Sounds good, so he gets 8-A via self-destruction and “varies, up to [big gun] via weapons”

John Halo's bomb pulling feat in his Mark VI was calced to Class 100. His Gen 3 armor also has a Class 100 feat as well, much more casually.

Based plus we have statements from Frank O’Connor that Spartans can flip Scorpion tanks in lore

Also lot of Class 25 and 50 supporting

A Monitor's beam was able to vaporize part of a Hunter, bringing their AP to Large Building. Like we already have on his profile, MC can take 1 or 2 shots from Guilty Spark's very same beam, giving him Large Building level Durability.

I’d note also that Gen 3 Mjolnir is capable of basically no selling this attack so thoroughly the Monitor has to resort to using a larger platform to boost his weapon system.

So for Gen 1 this would be his limit but his baseline for Gen 3

Social Influencing (Social Position, Reputation, Leadership, and Charisma): Even to other Spartans he is a trusted leader to be respected and emulated. To other soldiers he is a savior even when death is close at hand. To human civilians he is like a titan coming to the rescue. To the Covenant he is a demon capable of untold horrors, yet brought knowledge that prevented their extinction.

It’s really weird to think of this but I could see it
I’d also note inspiring Brohammer in Infinife who is implied to have been previously suicidal

Supernatural Luck: John has experienced "exceptional luck" that "followed him through his life". His luck literally following him throughout his entire life is the reason that Fred, a Spartan that literally equaled John across the board, could never match him.

Nah this isn’t typically granted in these cases

Vehicular Mastery: No, his page seriously doesn't have this yet. Anyone who's played Halo for 2 picoseconds knows why Master Chief has Vehicular Mastery. Even if he couldn't just straight up use any vehicle in the game upon getting into it, he's also responsible for both the "Warthog Runs" in the verse, as well as: a "Ghost Run", piloted a Mantis (a vehicle he had never seen before) well enough to kill hundreds of Covenant and Prometheans, and even pulled off a Death Star-type trench run in a Longsword where a single mistake meant death, all in Halo 4. Also he has the Vehicular Masters category but not the actual ability.

I’d also note he’s able to pretty easily pick up use of the Pelican Gunship from Halo 4 and is shown piloting a Pelican on 3

Supernatural Willpower: No, his page seriously doesn't have this one either. In case it's not immediately obvious why basically the king of video game wars would have this, he would have to have this trait considering:

• the amount of people he's lost in the war (His Spartan friends both when he was 14 and during the war, both Keyeses, Sgt. Johnson, Dr. Tillson, Cortana, possibly Jameson Locke, MANY marines) and continued to put noses in brains like nothing happened
• he has witnessed several times the same Flood infection that reduced a young Marine to a blubbering mess and nearly kill himself, to a much higher degree like the Flood eating a squad of Marines alive earlier in the level
• the lengths he went to to save Cortana.

I could love with this, especially noting the psychological torment from His upbringing and his being fundamentally “broken” and “sociopathic” as per ONI in Halo 4

Marksmanship: Take a wild ******* guess why he should have Marksmanship.

Based but I’d specify using the statements of Chief being a master of all known human and covenant weapons plus a mention of how easily he adapted to the Forerunner Weapons in Four despite finding them alien initially

Acrobatics: Did a sick ass backflip against a War Chieftain

I’m pretty sure he does some acrobatics in the Package and one of the novels too, maybe it’s in the Kelsier RT

Non-Standard Breathing: His suit would protect him from the Flood altering the atmosphere, and allows him to breathe in space

Yep

Clairvoyance via motion tracker, for obvious reasons (Doomguy, GLaDOS, etc have the same ability for identical tech)

Yeah works

Telepathy with Cortana: Even when not connected electronically, Master Chief could still hear messages from her and even directly referenced her famous monologue at the start of the game which he had no way of hearing. In Halo 5, Cortana straight up gives him a vision and shows him a Guardian, which he had never seen before, despite also not being connected.

I’m pretty sure this ties into the Didact’s network from Halo 4’s cut dialogue but I’m fine with it being here

Though I think we should just give Chief what Cortana can do while she’s in his employ since Halo 5 was after she evolved via the Domain and was her own character basically.

Self-Energy Manipulation: His suit's energy field can be put to other uses, such as an electromagnetic pulse or powering a Ghost to have infinite boost time

Yep, so this would also add technology manipulation via Cortana boosting the suit’s functions

Sometimes I wish Cortana was my mom.

OP’s mom has got it going on

Resistance to Biological Manipulation: Survived his vitals dropping to the levels they'd normally be if he had been killed, without noticing, and frequently shrugs off the messages that cause this to happen throughout Halo 3

This… is weird but I guess I see it?

Resistance to Temperature Manipulation: SPARTAN-IIs are augmented and further trained to be able to withstand flash-thawing with almost no negative effects, which is fatal to normal UNSC soldiers. Master Chief can tank multiple Sentinel beams despite MJOLNIR's Mk. V being only a Class 2 Combat Skin while a Class 12 was recommended, and Guilty Spark considering Chief's own weapons inferior to the Sentinels. He is also completely fine in the arctic areas of Halo rings.

Sounds good!

I’d also note the Plasma Weapons have canonical temperatures and are constantly demonstrated as melting through bulkheads, causing bodily fluids to burst and even melting through people pretty easily.

So lots of good stuff in this arena for my goat.

Resistance to Sound Manipulation: Is unaffected by any of the loud explosions in the verse, which made Noble Six frequently lose his hearing

Via the suit this is fine

Resistance to Corruption and Disease Manipulation: Infection-type Flood die on his suit just from touching it, even if its shields are down (I legitimately cannot find a scan of this despite looking for hours; you know what I'm talking about)

Nah as shown elsewhere Chief is susceptible to the Flood so this would only really apply to the aerosol form of the Flood Infection and via shields

Resistance to Radiation Manipulation: Has spent years around Plasma Grenades and their radiation, which would give normal people Boren's Syndrome like Sgt. Johnson

I’d also note his armour has survived shots from Carbine rounds which are described as radioactive, proximity to Fuel Rod rounds which are seemingly radioactive and was a decent but still affectable distance from a nuclear bomb

Resistance to Gravity Manipulation: Survived Requiem's gravity well, which Cortana believed would tear them apart, and was visibly breaking apart even Covenant Carriers

Ehh idk about this one, I’ll see if I can get back to you on it when I’ve double checked Forerunner

Resistance to Fire Manipulation: Master Chief's armor withstands atmospheric re-entry with literally zero issue while it's initially being tested by Maria (Armor Testing). In an actual game, Master Chief's nanomachine-improved Mark VI in Halo 4 withstood atmospheric re-entry onto Requiem, while already knocked out, without the Forerunner platform like in Halo 3

This would be closer to heat resistance via re-entry actually and even then John seemingly used debris to take the worst of it in Halo 3.

Resistance to Technology Manipulation: GEN 2 MJOLNIR armor withstands repeated Guardian pulses even at point blank, which can turn off entire space stations and most of Earth's surface

This should work for Gen II and onwards Mjolnir platforms

An upgrade to at least Genius intelligence:

• SPARTAN-IIs were made from such astronomically impossible genetic selection criteria that they needed to take over 39 billion samples just to get a good amount of them, and even then they all exceeded this criteria, giving even their 8 year old selves "dazzling intellects" and remarkable cognitive absorption rates. John himself at this age was able to win 45 games of King of the Hill in a row against these children, injuring many of them.
• The current description of his experience is not nearly comprehensive. As of now, he's fought human soldiers, every race in the Covenant, the Flood, Forerunners, the Prometheans/Created, and the Banished (to the point of their civilization starting to crumble).
• By the time of Halo: Combat Evolved, 343 Guilty Spark seemed to regard Master Chief as one of humanity's greatest accomplishments.
• Halo Man's skill in vehicles should also be represented.

I’d say this fits better for gifted but I think genius could work

 

[Hellbeast]

• First of all, I don't even think Wraiths and other vehicles should have 8-C durability in the first place, especially not Warthogs. One-shotting Spartans in gameplay (Which is the literally the only justification for the current ratings) is just game mechanics. Not to mention, running at full speed would only be 9-B levels of KE + speeding vehicles consistently one shot each other in canon too; and all the tanks have consistently blown up after a couple of 9-B attacks. The fact that an ODST who has no right to be any higher than 9-B can also do the feat doesn't help the cause either. But ultimately, as Qawsed laid out, this is a chain reaction that isn't that impressive
• As for a common theme in Halo, energy shields are specifically programmed to react to heat, (Typically through plasma, radiation, or the friction of fast projectiles). But otherwise, durability via shields have always been known for inconsistencies here and there. But what is consistent however is that the protection it grants against slower/heavier attacks such as melee attacks tends to be minimal compared to the protection lighter/faster attacks such as bullets and rockets which are in turn somewhat more minimal compared to pure heat based attacks such as Covenant Plasma and Sentinel Beams. Plus, my old rocket launcher calculation was outdated/wanked when some pages were made, and I have since recalculated them to be in the 9-B to 9-A range. I know Versus Junkie also made 8-C calculations, but I pointed out other flaws numerous times such as our air blast radius method applies when the explosion happens on Earth and not when the explosion happens in outer space.
• Mjolnir stuff is fine in theory, but kindly read our Multipliers page. 5 times strength sometimes refers to force or lifting capacity rather than energy output capability. I do not have a contention per say, but a devil's advocate, can you be confident on the lack of contradictions?

Looks okay

Soul of Cinder already made a thread proposing it, but it's alright.

Doesn't look like either calculation in Class 100 was accepted, only the Class 25 one. The latter wasn't even commented but looks promising.

As for my repeated concerns, this would only apply to his shields granting him that level of protection against pure heat as opposed to blunt force trauma. Yes, Guilty Sparks Beam has generated some minimal degrees of force/overpressure given it also topples and knocks targets over, but that's not enough to justify the overpressure generated being equal to thermal energy output. Otherwise, that's kind of the same thing as giving an average human IRL a solid Wall level durability because they survived getting urinated on.

Just Social Influencing would suffice as ability, but description is alright.

As Qawsed laid out + I literally explained to you three different times, he is the literal text book definition of someone who does NOT qualify.

This is fine


That's not really "Supernatural" Willpower as he's not resisting supernatural powers/hax via will power, just courage. And otherwise, having a resistance to biology and/or virus manipulation.

That's just weapon mastery, and he's not demonstrating Robocop/Terminator levels of ballistic precision or what various Anime characters do. That's just standard jack of all trades military level you only shown thus far.

I disagree

John has nailed successive headshots on Jackals while sprinting at full speed, including one occasion where the shots are described as “bleeding together” and Spartans can generally nail targets accurately from over a kilometer away.

It also just fits with their presentation as being trained from north in firearms and being a cut above the likes of ODST’s, presented as something of the elite of the UNSC with that being the benchmark for being enlisted for Spartan IV augmentations.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I disagree

John has nailed successive headshots on Jackals while sprinting at full speed, including one occasion where the shots are described as “bleeding together” and Spartans can generally nail targets accurately from over a kilometer away.

It also just fits with their presentation as being trained from north in firearms and being a cut above the likes of ODST’s, presented as something of the elite of the UNSC with that being the benchmark for being enlisted for Spartan IV augmentations.

It looks like you're just commenting on Marksmenship rather than my entire comment. But as Qawsed laid out, you should been listing actual feats or better reasons, but it was one of the ones I was more openminded about.

 

[Hellbeast]

It looks like you're just commenting on Marksmenship rather than my entire comment. But as Qawsed laid out, you should been listing actual feats or better reasons, but it was one of the ones I was more openminded about.

Huh thought I attached links there, lemme see if I can fix that up later lol

But yeah it’s pretty basic reasoning even if I get your point

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Maybe I should just stick to Pokemon.

 

[Hellbeast]

Here’s also some stuff for Chief’s mobility

• ⁠John could balance atop and leap across ten meter tall wooden poles 10 centimeters in diameter even though he weighs half a ton in his armor.
• ⁠Spartans can jump ~25+ meters vertically onto a moving vehicle using his thrusters. (Mammoths are 27.1 meters tall.)
• ⁠Without using thrusters, Spartans can leap into the air 'like crickets' and engage aircraft.
• ⁠Spartans can easily scale cliffs.
• ⁠Spartans in GEN 2 armor can use their thrusters to effectively fly.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I agree with a lot of what DDM and Qawsed said, though I'm 100% on board with the actual multiplier for Mjolnir Mark VI since it has the feats to back it up.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

The feat they scale to is this one, which is 0.35 Tons which is 1.4x above baseline 8-C. Not only did it take multiple punches, but in your clip, he was also attacking the weak point of the Wraith tank and the the tank itself is still mostly intact. This fits in with his current 9-A+ rating.

...The feat that Chief facetanked? Wraiths can actually survive their own Plasma Mortar shot, which for some reason is a Building level feat for tanking a Large Building level attack. Also he was hitting it hard enough that pieces were breaking apart on the opposite side of the Wraith.

Canonically, the story explicitly states he is in his Mark VI armor. All character customization is a non-canon element.

...Yeah, same with Doom Eternal.

This is also a gameplay mechanic. In the cutscenes, they're overpowered by Brutes, and more importantly, no ODST ever performs a remotely similar showing in any other medium. The game is built on the Halo 3 engine, and it's just a carryover mechanic from it.

Master Chief himself is overpowered by Brutes. He was even almost killed by one it (what used to be) his first encounter with them. Individual ODSTs can stagger Brutes.

Did he punch through it or around it? Because when punches you don't see shield flare like you do with bullets and blood comes out.

The shield is everywhere around him.

Per the rules:

He does not qualify. Even people with meme tier like King from OPM and Mr. Satan from DBZ do not have this power for the above reason.

"...they are followed by fortune in everything they do and everywhere they go..." What does "followed him through his life" mean to you? Fred is literally identical to Chief in stats and Chief has shat on his career via luck alone.

Of these, only the second one would count and even then I'm not sure if it would. Per the page:


Other Marines don't break down from Flood infections and other normal humans like the Rookie/Mick made it through a similar amount of terrors without breaking down. He has high willpower, but I don't see supernatural willpower.

******* Rookie??? Rookie fought a few streets of abandoned marooned Covenant while trying to find his presumed alive teammates. He's seen a couple deaths, but nothing like Master Chief's, nor has he laid eyes on the Flood nor stopped at nothing to save Cortana. I'm not saying Maroons turn suicidal from looking at a Flood form, I'm saying that Master Chief has seen the same stuff as the one who was, plus way worse.

I disagree agree, though you'd still need to show examples of his marksmanship such as his run and gun scene from the Halo anime shorts.

Why?

Agree, but this is probably a better example of acrobatics for the page.

I thought that wasn't canon.

Fine, though this may be more Forerunner Tech shenanigans than Cortana herself.

Cortana didn't have access to Forerunner tech in the former.

While I agree, he can only use these powers with an AI on board, since they're the ones who perform the feats and not MC

He has his current AI in SBA since he never doesn't have one outside Halo 5.

That's not resistance to biological manipulation. That's just his suit letting him survive a deadly fall. Even then I don't know if he really died, since MJOLNIR can enter pseudo-hibernation states if the SPARTAN is stranded or injured iirc.

No it wasn't. That happened because of Cortana's message.

None of this is resistance to temperature manipulation. Resistance means that he would resist being frozen or warmed up. This is just endurance and the armor being environmentally sealed.

Flash Thawing is basically thawing someone from being cryogenically frozen so fast that it kills them. They are being warmed up. The rest would be for his suit though, yeah.

This is the MJOLNIR armor, not John. It has sound dampening technology.

That's for the suit MAKING sound, not the wearer receiving it.

Gameplay doesn't equal lore in all cases. Per the novel Halo: The Flood John would've just instantly died to a Flood Infection as soon as it pierced his armor if it wasn't for Cortana saving him last minute:

What I'm arguing here is that an Infection Form couldn't simply pierce his armor just because his shields are down.

Resistance to gravity manipulation means you resist the effects of gravity, which I don't think happened here. He just survived due to luck and debris getting in the way.

Jump right now. Did your house get in the way of the gravity when you fell back down? Not that it matters because he came through the gravity well after the Carriers but before most of the Truth and Reconciliation. Also I hate that all of Master Chief's feats are downplayed into oblivion now because "oh he was just lucky".

The former doesn't count, as he has the reentry backpack on, which is what Noble 6 also used to survive their fall from orbit.

No, it was a parachute.

Second, this isn't fire manipulation but friction from reentry. It would be temperature or heat resistance.

Guess what fire is caused by.

The links go to the same place. Either way this seems more like EMP resistance rather than technology manipulation.

Oopsie! Fixed that. Is it stated anywhere to work like EMPs?

Going by intelligence ratings:

MC has nothing putting him above Gifted. The first and second one fit that definition, the third doesn't belong to MC but Halsey, and the last one doesn't have to do with raw intelligence on the wiki.

What if all of those apply to the same person? Actually I should update the wording to at least improving the poor wording.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

...The feat that Chief facetanked? Wraiths can actually survive their own Plasma Mortar shot, which for some reason is a Building level feat for tanking a Large Building level attack. Also he was hitting it hard enough that pieces were breaking apart on the opposite side of the Wraith.

For the same reason as Sentinel Beams, Mortal shots are pure heat. So tanking a hit would only be durability against heat, as I have said earlier before. Not to mention, mortals have high area of effect, so thermal equilibrium means smaller targets don't really need that much durability to actually survive shots. But more importantly, this is game mechanics because in the canon lore of the books, a single Wraith Mortal literally one-shots 3.5 copies of itself. So it's pretty case and point that Wraiths are glass cannons thanks to their mortars. My 8-B calculation may be highballed as 2 shots didn't melt the entire volume of the Wraiths, is still slagged their outer plating and fried their engines to the point where they were out of commission. So they absolutely do NOT scale in durability.

Master Chief himself is overpowered by Brutes. He was even almost killed by one it (what used to be) his first encounter with them. Individual ODSTs can stagger Brutes.

Not all Jiralhanae are equal, there exists various ranks. The ones that overpower Master Chief and other Spartans are typically Chieftains, who are in turn a lot stronger than various Brutes. Just like how some Sangheili are in the high end Street level to low end Wall level range as they're lower ranked Elites, where has higher ranking ones such as The Arbiter or politicians (Yes, Covenant is one of those places where leaders are chosen based on pure strength and combat capability even if it means putting some dimwitted, all brawn and no brain, brute on a position of supreme leader of the entire empire. AKA cavemen level politics).

But yeah, in canon, ODST soldiers are significantly weaker than unarmored Spartans let alone ones wearing Mjolnir, but ODST was an unfinished game that the developers where originally planning to heavily nerf the playable cast and make them incapable of the numerous feats they pull off.

"...they are followed by fortune in everything they do and everywhere they go..." What does "followed him through his life" mean to you? Fred is literally identical to Chief in stats and Chief has shat on his career via luck alone.

It just means he is a very lucky man. Nothing more, there is no supernatural god granting him godlike luck being the reason for it. And even his luck isn't perfect per say. Rules are still rules, and they need to be followed. If there's no canonical statements of a magical superpower or divine intervention, simply being lucky for the sake of being lucky does NOT qualify.

I thought that wasn't canon.

Most Halo Legends are canon with the exception of "Odd One Out." The Package is canon.

Why?

He crossed out disagree as a joke. He agrees with marksmanship, but details should be mentioned instead of a simple, "He uses a lot of different guns"

Jump right now. Did your house get in the way of the gravity when you fell back down? Not that it matters because he came through the gravity well after the Carriers but before most of the Truth and Reconciliation. Also I hate that all of Master Chief's feats are downplayed into oblivion now because "oh he was just lucky".

He was just explaining the rules for what qualifies as actual gravity resistance. And that "getting lucky and landing on a safe zone at the right timing" isn't a good enough demonstration.

What if all of those apply to the same person? Actually I should update the wording to at least improving the poor wording.

Katherine Halsey is not Master Chief. And once again, none of those "Experience" or "Combat victory/training" feats are intelligence feats that can be rated as Genius. Or using intelligence ratings for combat intelligence is no longer applicable as stated numerous times. It's also stated numerous times throughout the series that Master Chief is no super nerdy scientist, so that's why he lets Halsey, Cortana, ect handle calculations like that.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

For the same reason as Sentinel Beams, Mortal shots are pure heat. So tanking a hit would only be durability against heat, as I have said earlier before. Not to mention, mortals have high area of effect, so thermal equilibrium means smaller targets don't really need that much durability to actually survive shots. But more importantly, this is game mechanics because in the canon lore of the books, a single Wraith Mortal literally one-shots 3.5 copies of itself. So it's pretty case and point that Wraiths are glass cannons thanks to their mortars. My 8-B calculation may be highballed as 2 shots didn't melt the entire volume of the Wraiths, is still slagged their outer plating and fried their engines to the point where they were out of commission. So they absolutely do NOT scale in durability.

"Tanking a Kamehameha from Goku would only be durability against chi."

"If the tanks had been active, with hatches secured, they might have survived the first volley." I swear, it's just one lie after another. Also Halo: The Flood has a ton of creative differences with the actual game.

Not all Jiralhanae are equal, there exists various ranks. The ones that overpower Master Chief and other Spartans are typically Chieftains, who are in turn a lot stronger than various Brutes. Just like how some Sangheili are in the high end Street level to low end Wall level range as they're lower ranked Elites, where has higher ranking ones such as The Arbiter or politicians (Yes, Covenant is one of those places where leaders are chosen based on pure strength and combat capability even if it means putting some dimwitted, all brawn and no brain, brute on a position of supreme leader of the entire empire. AKA cavemen level politics).

But yeah, in canon, ODST soldiers are significantly weaker than unarmored Spartans let alone ones wearing Mjolnir, but ODST was an unfinished game that the developers where originally planning to heavily nerf the playable cast and make them incapable of the numerous feats they pull off.

Good thing it was a Chieftain in ODST.

It just means he is a very lucky man. Nothing more, there is no supernatural god granting him godlike luck being the reason for it. And even his luck isn't perfect per say. Rules are still rules, and they need to be followed. If there's no canonical statements of a magical superpower or divine intervention, simply being lucky for the sake of being lucky does NOT qualify.

Unless his luck is that consistent, evidently.

Most Halo Legends are canon with the exception of "Odd One Out." The Package is canon.

Dang, that's confusing.

He crossed out disagree as a joke. He agrees with marksmanship, but details should be mentioned instead of a simple, "He uses a lot of different guns"

It wouldn't even need an explanation on his profile as to why he has it, he already has Weapon Mastery for almost completely his skill with guns.

He was just explaining the rules for what qualifies as actual gravity resistance. And that "getting lucky and landing on a safe zone at the right timing" isn't a good enough demonstration.

What the ****?? "Master Chief survived the gravity well that was tearing ships apart in the atmosphere because he eventually landed on a flat bit of land"

Katherine Halsey is not Master Chief. And once again, none of those "Experience" or "Combat victory/training" feats are intelligence feats that can be rated as Genius. Or using intelligence ratings for combat intelligence is no longer applicable as stated numerous times. It's also stated numerous times throughout the series that Master Chief is no super nerdy scientist, so that's why he lets Halsey, Cortana, ect handle calculations like that.

Nobody cares about Dr. Halsey. She's never once done combat calculations for Master Chief, and even Cortana only does that about once a decade. Obviously if all of what I said applied to the same character (and what he already has), then their scope of knowledge at bare minimum just in fighting would be wide enough for Genius. Literally Doomguy is rated at Genius both normally and in combat for almost completely the same feats as Master Chief has.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The feat that Chief facetanked

Wraith tank justifications are one tapping Spartans:

Building level (The ramming power of a Wraith can instantly kill a Spartan with full shields and can oneshot Choppers)

Meaning that MC's AP is being downscaled from something that one shots him. Which is why him being 8-C doesn't work unless he can also one shot himself.

Yeah, same with Doom Eternal

I don't know about Doom Eternal, but in Halo he canonically wears the Mark VI the entire time.

Master Chief himself is overpowered by Brutes. He was even almost killed by one it (what used to be) his first encounter with them. Individual ODSTs can stagger Brutes

MC regularly dominates and kills Brutes in mass. The one you're talking about was after he had fought on Reach for multiple hours, had a torn tendon, and his armor was damaged.

Other than Elite Brutes, MC does not physical struggle with them and most Spartans also regularly overpower then.

For ODSTs, when have they staggered Brutes to the degree you're talking about?

The shield is everywhere around him.

You're missing the point of my question. A bubble shield can just be walked through because the shield is seperate from the emitter. Did Chief break the shield or was he close enough to bypass the shield.

What does "followed him through his life" mean to you? Fred is literally identical to Chief in stats and Chief has shat on his career via luck alone.

That's still not a super natural luck justification.

***** Rookie??? Rookie fought a few streets of abandoned marooned Covenant while trying to find his presumed alive teammates. He's seen a couple deaths, but nothing like Master Chief's, nor has he laid eyes on the Flood nor stopped at nothing to save Cortana. I'm not saying Maroons turn suicidal from looking at a Flood form, I'm saying that Master Chief has seen the same stuff as the one who was, plus way worse.

None of which is supernatural Willpower. I brought up Rookie as an example of a human seeing multiple battlefields and deaths, but there's plenty of baseline human soldiers that have fought throughout the war and battled the Flood. Chief has Willpower but doesn't qualify for supernatural Willpower.

Why?

Because you need justifications for abilities? Like he's a marksman, but you have to show some feats for marksmanship as well.

thought that wasn't canon.

It's canon, it just has retcons with timeline placement and some characters. But otherwise everything other than 1337 is canon still.

He has his current AI in SBA since he never doesn't have one outside Halo 5

Sure, but it's something to note on the profile. He requires Cortana or the Weapon.

it wasn't. That happened because of Cortana's message.

Cortana's messages came from the Gravemind letting her communicate with Chief. But she didn't revive him and has nothing to do with resisting biological manipulation.

What I'm arguing here is that an Infection Form couldn't simply pierce his armor just because his shields are down.

It can't pierce the armor plates, but as shown it can pierce the gaps between them. There's no corruption resistance present for Chief as nothing was corrupted on his body.

Not that it matters because he came through the gravity well after the Carriers but before most of the Truth and Reconciliation. Also I hate that all of Master Chief's feats are downplayed into oblivion now because "oh he was just lucky".

I mean you're arguing here that he has supernatural luck, so you can't have it both ways.

For the scene MC is a smaller body than the ships and would be exposed to smaller tidal forces. Additionally he was still effected by the gravity well, he just survived the process. I don't see any resistances coming from the scene, but it is a durability feat.

Flash Thawing is basically thawing someone from being cryogenically frozen so fast that it kills them

Which is endurance for resisting it, but not temperature manipulation resistance, which would be resisting having his temperature changed. If you want to argue like, heat resistance or cold resistance is can sorta see a point there, but it's not temperature manipulation resistance.

No, it was a parachute.

It's a reentry pack and the same style that Noble 6 uses. Though either way the armor is exposed to the heat even if it isn't entirely exposed to the force, so having heat resistance based on this would be fine.

That's for the suit MAKING sound, not the wearer receiving it.

Sound damping works both ways. If you have things stopping you from creating sound it would also prevent you from receiving the sound through the padding. Since the armors have a Gel layer for impacts, I would say its related to that.

Guess what fire is caused by.

Fire transfers energy through heat. Though I may be mistaken with how that works exactly

Oopsie! Fixed that. Is it stated anywhere to work like EMPs?

I mean, it shuts down all electronics. Tech Manipulation is usually more robust in usage.

What if all of those apply to the same person? Actually I should update the wording to at least improving the poor wording.

It would still be Gifted, just a very well rounded one. Genius is about the height of the knowledge vs the amount of things you know. But it is a factor in the rating.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Tanking a Kamehameha from Goku would only be durability against chi."

False equivalency, Ki in fully Dragonball generates healthy overpressure + thermal energy increase via friction. Everyone with common sense knows this. But a lot of things IRL such as flame throwers, inferred lasers, plasma projectiles, ect are mostly heat and don't really generate much overpressure. X Joules of overpressure basically generates just as many joules of thermal energy, but not everything generating X joules of thermal energy generates X Joules of overpressure. The average human generates well over 700 Kilojoules of thermal energy every time they take a piss, but does that mean everyone can survive getting hit by a speeding car generating 700 Kilojoules of overpressure? Absolutely not.

"If the tanks had been active, with hatches secured, they might have survived the first volley." I swear, it's just one lie after another. Also Halo: The Flood has a ton of creative differences with the actual game.

I do not even know where that first quote came from, more over, the fact that less than 1/7th of the mortar's energy almost melted the tanks, and 2/7th's nearly completely melted them outright means they shouldn't scale from the full energy yield outright. If a 2nd 1 ton of TNTe broke you beyond repair after the first at least almost killed you, you shouldn't even scale from a full 7 ton of TNTe attack at all period.

Most importantly, it's extremely consistent for vehicles and tanks (Including Wraiths) to get destroyed by Wall level attacks. Speaking of which, Qawsed didn't mention this, but the 0.35 tons of TNT calculation was outdated and overlooked a serious flaw. The explosion happened in outer space as opposed to Earth's atmosphere/gravity. Which means the air blast formula wouldn't apply.

Good thing it was a Chieftain in ODST.

Doesn't change the fact it's still an outlier; otherwise, I could turn it around and says Spartans should be downgraded to 9-B. Brute Chieftains >Mark VI Spartans = 5x Mark V Spartans > Mark IV Spartans >>> Unarmored Spartans >>> ODST soldiers. Breaking the scaling chain means 5x statement would be null/void let alone goes against the official chain.

Unless his luck is that consistent, evidently.

It doesn't matter how frequent it is, "Supernatural" Luck is defined by luck being based on magic that is transcends scientific law. Master Chief may be lucky, but being super lucky in itself doesn't violate laws of physics among many other things. There's no evidence of Master Chief being a space wizard who uses magic to make himself lucky, nor did talking to a god make him lucky. And none his luck feats break scientific law or anything.

It wouldn't even need an explanation on his profile as to why he has it, he already has Weapon Mastery for almost completely his skill with guns.

Would agree, but it's still noted in the page that standards for Marksmanship are a bit more strict. But "The Package" clip Qawsed linked would do.

What the ****?? "Master Chief survived the gravity well that was tearing ships apart in the atmosphere because he eventually landed on a flat bit of land"

Doesn't discredit Qawsed's explanation

Nobody cares about Dr. Halsey. She's never once done combat calculations for Master Chief, and even Cortana only does that about once a decade. Obviously if all of what I said applied to the same character (and what he already has), then their scope of knowledge at bare minimum just in fighting would be wide enough for Genius. Literally Doomguy is rated at Genius both normally and in combat for almost completely the same feats as Master Chief has.

Since you often keep using whataboutisms, I was not the one who upgraded Doomguy to genius and wouldn't mind him downgraded to Gifted. But Doomguy's own description is both a scientist AND a skilled soldier, where as Master Chief is just the latter. Doomguy also builds his own weapons and tools from scratch, Master Chief just takes what was already built by someone else and uses them. Doomguy also has genius computer hacking skills, Master Chief doesn't and let's Cortana do stuff like that. Doomguy has to navigate through giant labyrinths on his own, where as Cortana scans the ship and provides him maps, blue prints, ect on the areas he enters all the time. So differences are actually quite night and day the more you look into details.

But long story short, simply being a jack of all trades fighter and expert combat strategist does not grant genius level intellect. And any attempts of whataboutisms can be answered with "2 wrongs do not make a right" and/or some may have other reasons not related to combat intellect to justify intelligence levels.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

There is one thing that's really screwy about the "Cortana visions screwing with Chief's vitals" thing and that its the fact Thel, N'tho and Usze also get them as well but no one makes any mention of them when it happens in the four player co-op. Those last two characters are canon by the way, they're mentioned in the Halo 3 guide and show up in later material in the 343 era.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Alright, I’m not willing to argue this anymore. Every single thing I try to change is met with multiple “That’s not how it works”es, and when I debunk that they still just… don’t agree with me for some reason. I don’t have the patience to argue on every single point against people who clearly don’t want Master Chief upgraded and are clearly loyal to difference franchises for months. Can a mod close this?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Every single thing I try to change is met with multiple “That’s not how it works”es, and when I debunk that they still just… don’t agree with me for some reason.

Both DDM and I have accepted multiple ability additions. Just not all of them. The accepted can be applied and I can write them up when I get the time.

Just closing the thread because not everything was accepted seems reductive.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Both DDM and I have accepted multiple ability additions. Just not all of them. The accepted can be applied and I can write them up when I get the time.

Just closing the thread because not everything was accepted seems reductive.

I agree, he's being incredibly overdramatic. By the way, while you guys are here can we also upgrade the Spartan Laser to 8-B? It was recently-ish recalculated to that tier not too long ago based on its showings from The Package.

 

[Hellbeast]

I agree, he's being incredibly overdramatic. By the way, while you guys are here can we also upgrade the Spartan Laser to 8-B? It was recently-ish recalculated to that tier not too long ago based on its showings from The Package.

I feel we should do a separate CRT for the Splaser since it does have some wider implications post infinite

 

[Qawsedf234]

Current Profile

Proposed Redraft with accepted powers (also a format update)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I feel we should do a separate CRT for the Splaser since it does have some wider implications post infinite

True.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Bump

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Qawsedf234]

@DarkDragonMedeus Are you fine with my proposed update:

Proposed Redraft with accepted powers (also a format update)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

@DarkDragonMedeus Are you fine with my proposed update:

It looks way better to me personally.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Okay, so I am a bit late, but I agree with Qaw and DarkDragon.

As in regards to Halo 3 ODST, we literally see Dutch, Mickey, Buck and IIRC Romeo outright struggles to deal with a Brute Chieftain.

In fact, here is the scene in question where we got three ODSTs to deal with a Brute Chieftain.



It was only when one of them pull out a knife on the Brute’s neck did they kill the Chieftain with assistance from two other ODST.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Agree with what Qawsed and DDM has corrected and approved

I guess we just wait for DDM to approve the draft so we can proceed, right?

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Agree with what Qawsed and DDM has corrected and approved

I guess we just wait for DDM to approve the draft so we can proceed, right?

Probably.

@DarkDragonMedeus Are you fine with my proposed update:

turn it around and says Spartans should be downgraded to 9-B. Brute Chieftains >Mark VI Spartans = 5x Mark V Spartans > Mark IV Spartans >>> Unarmored Spartans >>> ODST s

Care to comment on Qaw’s proposed update, DarkDragon?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

@DarkDragonMedeus Are you fine with my proposed update:

Looks good to me.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Applied the changes and updated the speed section since it had an AP feat in it for some reason.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Alright, now the changes have been applied. I suppose we could get this thread closed or something.