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Ok name more speed feats like that, I'll give more
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Massively FTL+ Makkari đź‘€
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You have a better way to get a timeframe, my friend ?
Also guys, you forgot Arishem's profile (still listed at Relativistic)
Also guys, you forgot Arishem's profile (still listed at Relativistic)
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nah I'm good I could being up anything about Iron man's armors, spidey dodging meteors, or Thor's hammer also having sub-rel feats(there's 3 for ya) but I'm not because it literally doesn't matter because any one of those feats happens on screen and doesn't come from some bunk statement that gives them a result thousands of times higher than anything they've ever done even when we see them pushing themselves in a emergency situation knowing the stakes of a literal world ending situation
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Send scans for all of that to my DMs
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No you don't lol because they're irrelevant to this discussion
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Okay yeah go ahead. Good luck doing that honestly if you even bother trying.
Go onto the MCU verse page and there’re going to be a few calcs you can look at
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Anyways if no one here agrees with MFTL+, I'm assuming sub rela is fine?
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Should be
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Can someone summarise the people who agree with sub relativistic
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Literally anyone else who against mftl+
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Because she doesn't show any aspects of aging and there's a statement calling her Immortal. So she has a statement and nothing to contradict it.
It's not, because even while going full speed she fails to showcase anything close close the lowest possible end for Captain Marvel.
It's either not useable or an outlier that wouldn't be noted anyways. Either way she's not MFTL+ without future evidence.
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Completely forgot Arishem and the Celestials have profiles oops. I've done the edits on them
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Guys in favor of the statement, look at it this way.
If Captain Marvel and Makkari have a footrace, then Makkari will be faster than her. Therefore "Makkarai is faster than Captain Marvel & is the fastest character".
But Captain Marvel can fly and Makkari can't. So it doesn't matter how fast Captain Marvel can actually fly; Makkarai will never be faster than her when it comes to flying.
It's just comparing apples and oranges. There is no reason to think that Makkarai's form of speed (running) is being compared universally to any other form of speed (flying through space).
If Captain Marvel and Makkari have a footrace, then Makkari will be faster than her. Therefore "Makkarai is faster than Captain Marvel & is the fastest character".
But Captain Marvel can fly and Makkari can't. So it doesn't matter how fast Captain Marvel can actually fly; Makkarai will never be faster than her when it comes to flying.
It's just comparing apples and oranges. There is no reason to think that Makkarai's form of speed (running) is being compared universally to any other form of speed (flying through space).
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Headcanon
I take it that you agree with removing all statements from all MCU profiles that don't have any feats to back it up?
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Shouldn't he scale to eson?
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Problem is esons profile is insanely outdated so nope (his profile was made when all we knew was what we saw of him in guardians and what we learned in gotg2)
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It's head canon that Makkari can't fly?
I'd have to go through them statement by statement on another thread. Not relevent to this one.
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Didn't knew he had a profile, looking at it, his speed is very, very iffy at the very least
Also he shouldn't be that much different from other Celestials
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I think people are disagreeing with it because makkari was supposedly moving at sub rel speeds in a scene where she supposedly was moving at full speed because of urgency or something idk
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Profile is just heavily outdated so don't worry about it as a factor here
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Yeah, no exact reason to assume that'd be FTL, these characters are like thousands of years old. It is plausible that they traveled in like 50 years or something
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Or just like teleported or something same as arishem can we don't really know
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Honestly, logic behind it being tied to a footrace is mostly lost on me.
It’s not that statements without feats to back it up should be removed. It’s when those statements contradict the actual films themselves that they should be ignored
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If stuff contradicts the statements or they lack supporting evidence like here, yeah.
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What does this have to do with what i said? Im talking about the mental gymnastics of saying the feat is on about a footrace, nothing more, nothing less.
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From what I got, Makkari has no Flight ability, meaning the statement shouldn't be about applying others Flight Speed in Space* (Not even normal Flight Speed, mind you) to Makkari's running speed
Neutral, but in my opinion consistency alone is enough to not give Makkari a MFTL+ anyway
Neutral, but in my opinion consistency alone is enough to not give Makkari a MFTL+ anyway
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Character A is stated to have the strongest punch in existence
Character B has a punch, but his arm is incased in iron
Character A’s punch wouldnt scale to Character B’s punch because the statement should only apply to just a regular hands
Step down Simone Biles, this feat of gymnastics is better then anything you could ever produce. Nowhere is it ever implied that it is based in a footrace only. There are ways to disagree with the statement, this isnt one of them.
Character B has a punch, but his arm is incased in iron
Character A’s punch wouldnt scale to Character B’s punch because the statement should only apply to just a regular hands
Step down Simone Biles, this feat of gymnastics is better then anything you could ever produce. Nowhere is it ever implied that it is based in a footrace only. There are ways to disagree with the statement, this isnt one of them.
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The statement in of itself is very straightforward don't know how one gets the interpretation of it being a foot race... that's weird
But apparently it's not consistent
But apparently it's not consistent
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@Jibz; More like;
Character A is stated to have the strongest punch in existence.
Character B has a energy blast.
Character A’s punch wouldnt scale to Character B’s energy blast because the statement shouldn't apply to something that isn't like Character A's punches.
I see where you're coming from, but anyway I don't agree with the statement being used for consistencfy reasons also, so I'm still against this CRT.
Character A is stated to have the strongest punch in existence.
Character B has a energy blast.
Character A’s punch wouldnt scale to Character B’s energy blast because the statement shouldn't apply to something that isn't like Character A's punches.
I see where you're coming from, but anyway I don't agree with the statement being used for consistencfy reasons also, so I'm still against this CRT.
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If that was the case the statement would be “strongest attack in the universe” via a punch, which’d scale to the ap of someone’s energy blast. Your scenario leaves out the nuances. Overall i still agree with you that the statement isnt consistent and cant be used regardless.
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That analogy isn't really all that similar to what's going on here tho. One is a punch and the other is an energy blast which are two different things
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I consider Captain Marvel's flight speed and Makkari's running speed to be two different things. I have no issues with Makkari being faster in some respects to Captain Marvel, but I require additional evidence for her to be comparable or faster to Captain Marvel's flight speed.
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Well that's your consideration vs what the actual statement is.
The statement doesn't go into what methods of which speeds is attained or stuff like that, it's just blatantly stating that she's the fastest in the universe, which would mean her speed is > Cap Marvel speed. Don't know why there needs to be additional info when the statement is pretty straightforward that she is faster. Infact it would probably take additional information to prove that the statement would be referring to a foot race rather than a general distance/time scenario
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Its headcanon that she's not faster than her flight
The makakri statement isnt contradicted
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I'm going to take a page out of your book. Provide proof it isn't beyond saying it isn't contradicted
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Proof of what?
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Proof that the statement isn't contradicted. I provided my own argument and proof that the statement is contradicted, now you provide yours. If yours is more logically sound, we'll go with it. If not, we won't
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The fact that there isn't evidence that its contradicted means its not. Show me where you proved that
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