Massively FTL+ Makkari 👀

[Marvel_Champion_07]

@TypeOU had issues with Makkari's Relativistic feat. According to him:

What is the difference between the video and the events? If that's what you mean, the video is "canon" in that it's not just a fanwork, but there's nothing indicating that it's canon to the mcu, AND it ends mentioning that it's "inspired" by MCU eternals. Pretty specific choice of word. And obviously, it contradicts makkari other much lower feat

It's just... not. It's from a youtube video on the marvel channel but nothing seems to indicate that it's canon, on the contrary, every untold tale ends with the statement that they are inspired by the movie. This one specifically doesn't make much sense since druig wouldn't just... travel around the world like that, since he was building his community after the split-up, and makkari supposedly stayed at the Domo

If we remove Makkari's Relativistic feat, she would either scale to her Sub-Relativistic feat or Captain Marvel's Massively FTL+ feat via Makkari's statement of being the fastest woman in the universe

The scaling of the other Eternals would change though, since Makkari is much faster than them and even Ikaris was completely blitzed

 

[Dalesean027]

Following also it seems straightforward enough if the source isn't viable but I'll wait for more input

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Seems fine for the most part but what would the reasoning be for any of the eternals being able to scale to her speed at all? Like ikaris straight up got blitzed multiple times and took him a sec to catch her

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Seems fine for the most part but what would the reasoning be for any of the eternals being able to scale to her speed at all? Like ikaris straight up got blitzed multiple times and took him a sec to catch her

I'm just going off the current scaling, but if there are issues with that, they can be changed to "At most Sub-Relativistic"

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I'm just going off the current scaling, but if there are issues with that, they can be changed to "At most Sub-Relativistic"

That’s still sus but this is probably a discussion for later

 

[Jibz]

if characters are consistently blized by others, then we shouldn't scale their speed from said character that blitzes them

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Makkari is faster than Captain Marvel, who is MFTL+ btw

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Makkari is faster than Captain Marvel, who is MFTL+ btw

I don't know about scaling Makkari to Captain Marvel's spaceflight speed

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I don't know about scaling Makkari to Captain Marvel's spaceflight speed

She's stated to be the fastest woman in the universe, which would include spaceflight speed. Thats why they said universe and not earth

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I get that, but it seems weird scaling Makkari to one of the fastest feats in the entire MCU based on just one statement. I'll ask for more input

Sure, lets remove every feat and statement we use in the MCU if there's only 1, including the sub-relativistic feat you proposed

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Here's the statement

 

[Qawsedf234]

Mak doesn't have the backing to support a MFTL+ rating at the moment. Her best showings, even including adjacent canon material, is .00009149x that of the lowest end for Captain Marvel.

Considering the general trend of flight speed =/= travel speed we're not scaling her to Carol's out of atmosphere speed space speed.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

if characters are consistently blized by others, then we shouldn't scale their speed from said character that blitzes them

I mean, At most Sub Rel is the best option we have ATM.

Though I feel it should probably only scale to his reactions and not his regular speed.

So At most Sub Rel reaction speed

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

Though I feel it should probably only scale to his reactions and not his regular speed.

So At most Sub Rel reaction speed

Yeah, that looks fine.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Though I feel it should probably only scale to his reactions and not his regular speed.

What would his regular speed be then?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What would his regular speed be then?

IDK, there's probably another speed feat in the movie we can use

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

It ain't even on his profile

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We could use the MHS+ in that same calc but IDK. Better to ask Abaddon about it

 

[XXKINGXX69]

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[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

FTL+ was rejected based on there being a cut in the scene. There’s somewhat of a cut in the MHS+ calc. I mean based on the scene he only moved a bit away from the Earth but then he turns and suddenly the earth is like the size of him from our perspective

I’ll make a new calc of that scene to see how it scales up

As for combat speed, I’m fine with at most sub-rel until we find something better

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I’ll make a new calc of that scene to see how it scales up

How's the calc going?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

How's the calc going?

MHS+

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So MHS+ with At most Sub Rel reactions. Not bad.

I think we can apply the changes and we're done

 

[Bernkastelll]

if she is faster than captain marvel then she is MFTL+

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

if she is faster than captain marvel then she is MFTL+

Already addressed:

Mak doesn't have the backing to support a MFTL+ rating at the moment. Her best showings, even including adjacent canon material, is .00009149x that of the lowest end for Captain Marvel.

Considering the general trend of flight speed =/= travel speed we're not scaling her to Carol's out of atmosphere speed space speed.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Already addressed:

yeah and i disagree with the reasoning, why would she need ''backing'' if she is stated to be faster?

 

[Qawsedf234]

why would she need ''backing''

Because of this part

Her best showings, even including adjacent canon material, is .00009149x that of the lowest end for Captain Marvel.

Her best feat from a non-canon source is not even one-one ten thousandth of Captain Marvel's lowest end flight speed and every single one of her canon feats are even worse than that.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Because of this part

Her best feat from a non-canon source is not even one-one ten thousandth of Captain Marvel's lowest end flight speed and every single one of her canon feats are even worse than that.

And? She's stated to

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

And? She's stated to

Makkari probably needs more backing to make her hundreds of thousands of times faster than the speed of light when everything else she has done in canon is nowhere close to that, other than a single statement that could very well be considered hyperbole to hype up the character.

That's my guess, anyway

 

[Bernkastelll]

L

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Because of this part

Her best feat from a non-canon source is not even one-one ten thousandth of Captain Marvel's lowest end flight speed and every single one of her canon feats are even worse than that.

Her feats do not contradict the statement. If we use your logic, every single statement should be disregarded unless we see a confirmation. Where is the inorganic physiology, resistance to disease and immortality type 1 from? If its a statement, it should be removed from her profile unless you have double standards on what statement should count

 

[Dalesean027]

immortality type 1

to be fair that's at least been shown she hasn't aged since the 80s in canon

 

[XXKINGXX69]

to be fair that's at least been shown she hasn't aged since the 80s in canon

Just longevity

 

[Dalesean027]

Just longevity

Prove that your word is more valid than WoG and showings that support it because we've got a statement literally stating Immortality with it being shown she doesn't age so it's concrete regardless of how you feel


No matter what you can't regardless so no point in trying, besides this is derailing

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Prove that your word is more valid than WoG and showings that support it because we've got a statement literally stating Immortality with it being shown she doesn't age so it's concrete regardless of how you feel


No matter what you can't regardless so no point in trying, besides this is derailing

I'm just using Qawsedf's logic

 

[Qawsedf234]

Her feats do not contradict the statement

They do, because they're massively worse than Carol's and people far beneath her can react to her rushes. She can have faster general speed than everyone else in the universe but have worse speed compared to Marvel's interstellar flight speed.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

They do, because they're massively worse than Carol's and people far beneath her can react to her rushes.

Already addressed this point, so either read that or concede

She can have faster general speed than everyone else in the universe but have worse speed compared to Marvel's interstellar flight speed.

If she is faster than anyone else in the universe, it would include carol's interstellar flight speed. Its not like Carol is not from the same universe

 

[Jibz]

Whilst i believe the feat would be incredibly inconsistent and thus shouldn't be used. Arguing that Captain Marvel's interstellar flight speed wouldn't equate in the statement of being the fastest in the universe sounds incredibly...dumb.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Already addressed this point, so either read that or concede

You didn’t address that point what you said was

Her feats do not contradict the statement.

Pointing out a double standard is fine but don’t say you refuted a point when all you did was go against a statement without any backing