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Guys, let's not beat the dead horse. It's honestly in poor taste and can just be plain rude. What's done is done
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I'm sorry I feel no remorse for people who belittle other by calling them namesNot the best time to joking him lel, especially he reminded me on my past where i also being that impulsive (or even worse) a years ago
Just cease, you don't need to say that at allI'm sorry I feel no remorse for people who belittle other by calling them names
That doesn't give you the right to derail this thread doing the exact same.I'm sorry I feel no remorse for people who belittle other by calling them names
*Continues by derailing furtherThat doesn't give you the right to derail this thread doing the exact same.
Nah dude.Oh now you feels guilty
Anyway back to the topic, what should we do next?
So to get back on topic the pages below need to have their stats revised to 7-A+ (6-C with multipliers for the God tiers) since it was decided earlier by KLOL506 that KE and 6-C for Jack-6's meteor feat isn't valid anymore.Not the best time to joking him lel, especially he reminded me on my past where i also being that impulsive (or even worse) a years ago
Can we add Hwoarang to the Top tier ? He tied with Jin and was his equal throughout the entire series so far. Jin needed Devil form to beat him.So to get back on topic the pages below need to have their stats revised to 7-A+ (6-C with multipliers for the God tiers) since it was decided earlier by KLOL506 that KE and 6-C for Jack-6's meteor feat isn't valid anymore.
Akuma, Jack, Master Raven, Heihachi, Kazuya, Jin, Jinpachi, Lars and Raven.
The profiles below need to be downgraded to Low 7-B as well.
Alisa, Anna, Bryan, Eliza, Feng Wei, Kazumi, Kuma, Lee, Marshall, Nina, Ogre, Panda, Paul and Yoshimitsu.
Now that BlackDarkness is gone I wouldn't mind applying more revisions after these though.
Hwoarang is definitely a top tier.Can we add Hwoarang to the Top tier ? He tied with Jin and was his equal throughout the entire series so far. Jin needed Devil form to beat him.
Okay maybe we could change that for the future and make an accurate tier list based on feats who should be top / mid and low tier.There's just one problem.
He doesn't have a Vs Battles Wiki profile.
Absolutely.Okay maybe we could change that for the future and make an accurate tier list based on feats who should be top / mid and low tier.
Next thread maybe. This one has gone long enoughI also want to point out that we need a revision to adding the missing abilities as well, i feel that some of the profiles has a mssing abilities in their section
Is it at all possible that we can resolve these downgrades now?Well, this thread has spiraled down worse than I expected and wanted.
I'd say to leave other downgrades to other threads, where calcs and arguments can be well explained.
I agree with everything you've stated here.I'd also say it makes sense to not rate the meteor as the standard output, since as others said, Jack's normal punches could damage the meteor, and only his final attack did, so it should scale to it and those who heavily outclass Jack-6.
BlackDarkness didn't really have any counterarguments to the meteor feat not scaling to Jack-6's normal output.But what were the counterarguments to this? I only remember scaling to Alisa, who apparently sliced a Jack-6 apart, but I don't know where this takes place and no one linked the scene.
I'm actually gonna disagree on this one, she briefly overpowered him and managed to knock him down brieflyBlackDarkness also stated earlier that Alisa harmed a Jack-6 but it never happened in the cutscenes.
Here's the link to the entire cutscene fight between Alisa and Jack-6.
All she does is knock Jack-6 down without damaging it in anyway but then it gets right back up only to get 1 shot by Lars.
Alisa would scale to Low 7-B just like all of the other characters.I'm actually gonna disagree on this one, she briefly overpowered him and managed to knock him down briefly
The most likely reason he shows no damage is because lets be honest it's the game's engine
We've done this with other characters as well like Garou even though he never made Saitama even bleed or Netero who hit Meruem hundreds of thousands of time with basically no damage
What's shown is her knocking him down for a time which I believe would allow her to scale
To 7-A+? Hell no, but to whatever value Jack-6 is currently rated at? Yes, that seems fine
Ok that seems fineAlisa would scale to Low 7-B just like all of the other characters.
Is it at all possible that we can resolve these downgrades now?Well, this thread has spiraled down worse than I expected and wanted.
I'd say to leave other downgrades to other threads, where calcs and arguments can be well explained.
I really wish we could find the japanese script, but unfortunaly I couldn't.- Whether or not the Devil Gene's multiplier is too vague to be usable. (Which you agreed with me on)
I never considered valid because, while true that they were a very impending threat that needed to be stopped as soon as possibly, they never outright state they'd end the world in a single attack.Whether or not Azazel and Jinpachi's "world destroying" statements are valid. (Which you stated earlier that you weren't comfortable with at the time)
I think she should indeed scale, it doesn't make sense for either her or Heihachi to be below most of the cast.Whether or not Kazumi scales to the current cast (Which you haven't commented on yet)
I'm not totally sure whether or not they should scale to Jack's forcefield, though.Whether or not Gun-Jack's AP, regular durability and striking strength scale to the Low 7-B satellite laser blast. (Which you haven't commented on yet)
We should rather calc it.You convinced me earlier to keep Class K for the characters so I'm fine with that.
Alisa scales to 8-B or Low 7-B like the rest of the cast then.I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good, meaning that she wouldn't scale to the overarching force of the meteor punch.
I'm fine with keeping it as a likely rating.I really wish we could find the japanese script, but unfortunaly I couldn't.
I'd prefer to keep it as a likely, because while true that cellular compund doesn't literally equate to power, the context of the scene suggests otherwise, as that statement is made right when Kazuya is beating the shit out of Jin.
I completely agree.I never considered valid because, while true that they were a very impending threat that needed to be stopped as soon as possibly, they never outright state they'd end the world in a single attack.
Kazumi should scale to 8-B or Low 7-B and sub-rel then.I think she should indeed scale, it doesn't make sense for either her or Heihachi to be below most of the cast.
Heihachi might have gotten stronger with age, but his attempts to return young, and by taking spin-offs as semi-support, suggest he should still be somewhat comparable to his future self.
If Gun Jack stats (excluding force-field durability) don't scale to the satellite laser then everyone except the top tiers scale to 8-B.I'm not totally sure whether or not they should scale to Jack's forcefield, though.
Okay.We should rather calc it.
That's fine.I'd prefer to see what BlackDarkness is planning in terms of upgrades and everything else, but I guess we'll see when he comes back? I recognize I can't keep this still, despite the future plans for the series.
Tbh I think it’s overtime, unless there is actually an attack on that scale which I highly doubt. I think it’s also clear with the Jinpachi ending where he doesn’t outright just surface wipe the planet after awakening. For Azazel, I think it’s more so referring that if Jin lost, no one would be strong enough to stop Azazel from slowly killing everyone, even Nina compares it to Jin declaring war.Possibly High 6-A
Currently this rating is based on the following descriptions and the assumption the threath is impending enough for at least the surface of the planet to be wiped out in a single attack.
Jinpachi: stated / numerous / times that he will exterminate humanity / and destroy the world if fully awakened
Azazel: stated that the world would end / if the seal was broken, he will unleash himself on Earth / and being a threat to humanity, / with Jin defeating him to save the planet.
So looking at the scene, I don’t see much change in other stats like speed. This seems consistent with Heihachi not getting blitzed by Devil Kazuya. So I’m ok with keeping the 10x multiplier for strength.10x Multiplier
For the true Devil Gene, based on this. I honestly can't understand whatever they say between "Catalyst" and "Cellular Compounds".
My argumento for keep it as a likely is this. While true that cellular compound doesn't literally equate to power, the context of the scene suggests otherwise, as that statement is made right when Kazuya is overpowering Jin.
Yeah I think bad ending implies that he wouldn’t have tanked it. So just for Jack, we could add 8-B, Low 7-B with force field.Low 7-B
Basically scaling to this durability feat, but the fact the characters were protected by a forcefield might limit the scaling to just that.
I don't have any knowledge on the power source of the forcefield or whatever that would allow scaling through UES, maybe there is, I just don't know and no one has provided evidences on it yet.
Additionally, that was the good ending, in the bad ending Gun Jack and the girl are obliterated by the laser, possibly because of the lack of said forcefield.
Most of the people you tagged agree with the revisions so I think we can wrap this up.I know, but I feel these haven't been discussed enough on their own, as the attention was drifted towards more important topics.
And I want this to be transparent in general for the record.
Like many have said above none of these are concrete enough for even a "possibly" scaling IMOPossibly High 6-A
Currently this rating is based on the following descriptions and the assumption the threath is impending enough for at least the surface of the planet to be wiped out in a single attack.
Jinpachi: stated / numerous / times that he will exterminate humanity / and destroy the world if fully awakened
Azazel: stated that the world would end / if the seal was broken, he will unleash himself on Earth / and being a threat to humanity, / with Jin defeating him to save the planet.
This seems fine10x Multiplier
For the true Devil Gene, based on this. I honestly can't understand whatever they say between "Catalyst" and "Cellular Compounds".
My argumento for keep it as a likely is this. While true that cellular compound doesn't literally equate to power, the context of the scene suggests otherwise, as that statement is made right when Kazuya is overpowering Jin.
I would say it was because of the girl but the bad ending clearly shows that he dies without the forcefieldLow 7-B
Basically scaling to this durability feat, but the fact the characters were protected by a forcefield might limit the scaling to just that.
I don't have any knowledge on the power source of the forcefield or whatever that would allow scaling through UES, maybe there is, I just don't know and no one has provided evidences on it yet.
Additionally, that was the good ending, in the bad ending Gun Jack and the girl are obliterated by the laser, possibly because of the lack of said forcefield.
Cool.I'd say yes
I'm not asking whether or not I should post the Street Fighter Upgrade (s) thread.You can post it
Yeah, I guess now we wait till Continuum says he’s done with the changes.Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.
Should we close this thread after the current revisions have been applied then?