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Massive HoYoverse Revision and Possible Upgrades: Make Honkai Impact Great Again!

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Hello, so I have seen the totality of Honkaiverse being violently downgraded into 4-A at best, which made me very shocked in the first place, so I reall want to show you why the verse should be higher:

To do that, we have to recheck the very cosmology of the verse.

Credits to:

Frerty
and
Stocking.exe

Part 1: The Sea of Quanta
So, first of all , people really debunked the Sea from 11-D all the way up to 4-A by using scans like this, however, the sea dosen't cap at this level, how? Well, let's find out.
So first of all, the Multiverse of Honkaiverse doesn’t support the standard interpretation of a multiverse like in many other series. conferring to the game-info, There is a portal to a sea of higher dimensions that is where infinite Universes and “Bubble-Universes “are observed in an Imaginary Tree. Which are not described by just a 4-dimensional extension of space-time, rather. It uses the complex structure of Brane Cosmology where “films” or membranes are comprised of extra 7 to 11-dimension manifold extensions. which is a complex topological space-time referring to higher dimensional extensions described by the string theory. In this part of the blog. I will show and interpret the Multiverse extension of Honkaiverse and how higher dimensions work with the verses mechanics. As well as introduce the Higher dimensional events that exist within the verse.

"The Sea of Qaunta is not a literal ocean, it is a place where it contains all bubble universes forming the Multiverse" of Honkaiverse. please refer to this dialogue:


but there is a massive difference between living universe and a bubble universe in the Sea of quanta, the Tree & Sea is separated by by an immeasurable depth, Tree represents the living Multiverse of mihoyoverse while the Sea holds dead universes that are swallowed up by the Honkai.and works on the Many-worlds Interpretation.


Just more to debunk the Solar System thing, is that universes are infinite and there is an infinite number of them.




Now for the 11-Dimensional part:



And as explained here, dimensions has R>F




It is also full of manifold constructs:

https://imgur.com/a/uwAImeL

Another thing to show is that thanks to the Ether Anchor, it is again proven that the Sea holds 11-spation dimensions.

The Sea of Quanta is the "foundation" that generalized/carried all existing world bubbles which correspond to the 11 higher-dimensional Bernhard manifold.

https://imgur.com/a/TKBwdPK

https://imgur.com/a/KUw8OIj

https://imgur.com/a/4HyAjHc

https://imgur.com/a/MH3luRK

Space and comprised a membrane notion that assigned the "layered" and "conflicted" between smaller and larger dimensional membranes, which in turn have been confirmed to be a large plane of existence beyond even 4-dimensional space-time and is infinitely expanding across all axes.

Another proof of the Sea of Quanta having R>F , is that the larger the bubble universe in the sea, the closer it is to the main or real universe (which is super big, we'll cover that soon)

https://imgur.com/a/u8l6Eq8

The Sea is also empty of time as well as boundaries
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Conclusion:

The Sea of Quata
should be at least High 1-C (11-D), possibly High 1-B




I will update this soon!

But first, let me see what do you think.
 
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Part 2: The Imaginary Tree and the Main Universe:

This one will be easier to pull up, so the Imaginary Tree stores countless infinite sized universes, as well as infinite futures and exists beyond time:


And each leave is a universe in the tree, and there are parallel worlds here:



Everything in the Tree, even time, is just data in a "game storage":



The Tree exists beyond the Sea of Quanta (which makes sence since the main universe is more real than the bubble universes:

main-qimg-04c937e44ad10ea9e4a3ad7cef6b8a01

Now for the strong one, Einstein states the existence of transfinite cardinals in the tree, with even the lowest (the main universe) being infinite in a transfinite sense:



It is also stated to be a "higher-dimensional concept"

https://imgur.com/gallery/blf3FQJ

The Tree transcends baseline reality

main-qimg-07a4002cd22e441ea1895c967803f834

Imaginary Singularities in the Imaginary Tree are dimensionless:
main-qimg-0126bab503f8cf0a6ef7003b661549fb

main-qimg-7c7333eb544637a10e9b31a0e2681ccc

Conclusion:

The Imaginary Tree sould be Low 1-A, or all the way up to High 1-A with the inacessible cardinals thingy.

But even Low 1-A seems fair

I'll post more stuff soon, but for now, I'll be waiting for you guys' opinions.
 
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Part 2: The Imaginary Tree and the Main Universe:

This one will be easier to pull up, so the Imaginary Tree stores countless infinite sized universes, as well as infinite futures and exists beyond time:


And each leave is a universe in the tree, and there are parallel worlds here:



Everything in the Tree, even time, is just data in a "game storage":



The Tree exists beyond the Sea of Quanta (which makes sence since the main universe is more real than the bubble universes:

main-qimg-04c937e44ad10ea9e4a3ad7cef6b8a01

Now for the strong one, Einstein states the existence of transfinite cardinals in the tree, with even the lowest (the main universe) being infinite in a transfinite sense:



It is also stated to be a "higher-dimensional concept"

https://imgur.com/gallery/blf3FQJ

The Tree transcends baseline reality

main-qimg-07a4002cd22e441ea1895c967803f834

Imaginary Singularities in the Imaginary Tree are dimensionless:
main-qimg-0126bab503f8cf0a6ef7003b661549fb

main-qimg-7c7333eb544637a10e9b31a0e2681ccc

Conclusion:

The Imaginary Tree sould be Low 1-A, or all the way up to High 1-A with the inacessible cardinals thingy.

But even Low 1-A seems fair

I'll post more stuff soon, but for now, I'll be waiting for you guys' opinions.

You should edit the OP and put that there instead of in the reply.

Cosmology being 11D has been accepted for years, so are you proposing possible High-1B SoQ? if so, I remember Avengershows (one of the CN translators we have here on the wiki) who also scales Hoyoverse having said that in the language/context this was not referring to literal infinite dimensions, but rather the fact that the size of those dimensions is infinite.

Regarding Low-1A and above, the wiki is banning 1-A threads until the tier system revision is finished (which will probably take months if not years, since Ultima is having some problems with his Tier 0 thread).

My opinion? cosmology being 11D is solid, I would wait for the revisions to finish if you want to push for higher tiers using cardinals (but from what I remember, cardinals will cap at High-1B in the new system, so lol).

I would close this thread and wait a while, I am almost done with my general revision which includes new profiles, remakes of current ones, new Honkai energy page, blogs, profiles for Tree and SoQ, and detailing the scaling very well.

Edit: Some of your scans are using older translations, which have some errors (Such as the dimensions being finite)
 
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You should edit the OP and put that there instead of in the reply.

Cosmology being 11D has been accepted for years, so are you proposing possible High-1B SoQ? if so, I remember Avengershows (one of the CN translators we have here on the wiki) who also scales Hoyoverse having said that in the language/context this was not referring to literal infinite dimensions, but rather the fact that the size of those dimensions is infinite.

Regarding Low-1A and above, the wiki is banning 1-A threads until the tier system revision is finished (which will probably take months if not years, since Ultima is having some problems with his Tier 0 thread).

My opinion? cosmology being 11D is solid, I would wait for the revisions to finish if you want to push for higher tiers using cardinals (but from what I remember, cardinals will cap at High-1B in the new system, so lol).

I would close this thread and wait a while, I am almost done with my general revision which includes new profiles, remakes of current ones, new Honkai energy page, blogs, profiles for Tree and SoQ, and detailing the scaling very well.

Edit: Some of your scans are using older translations, which have some errors (Such as the dimensions being finite)
Im fine with 11d or any other tier past tier 4 cause its just wrong to make top tiers tier 4 when there are solid tier 2-1 feats
As for high1b to outer i dunno i wouldnt rush to that scale until we make sure honkai is already tier 1
 
You should edit the OP and put that there instead of in the reply.

Cosmology being 11D has been accepted for years, so are you proposing possible High-1B SoQ? if so, I remember Avengershows (one of the CN translators we have here on the wiki) who also scales Hoyoverse having said that in the language/context this was not referring to literal infinite dimensions, but rather the fact that the size of those dimensions is infinite.
Actually, I remember the scan that says Infinite-spatial dimensions in SoQ can be real.
Regarding Low-1A and above, the wiki is banning 1-A threads until the tier system revision is finished (which will probably take months if not years, since Ultima is having some problems with his Tier 0 thread).
You mean Ultima's Teiring System? I know that, but I never knew that those treads aren't allowed at this moment.

I'm fine with this thread being closed then, but with the new tiering system, the verse really reaches 1-A or even higher pretty easily.
My opinion? cosmology being 11D is solid, I would wait for the revisions to finish if you want to push for higher tiers using cardinals (but from what I remember, cardinals will cap at High-1B in the new system, so lol).

I would close this thread and wait a while, I am almost done with my general revision which includes new profiles, remakes of current ones, new Honkai energy page, blogs, profiles for Tree and SoQ, and detailing the scaling very well.

Edit: Some of your scans are using older translations, which have some errors (Such as the dimensions being finite)
Fair enough, thanks pal 👍.
 
Actually, I remember the scan that says Infinite-spatial dimensions in SoQ can be real.

You mean Ultima's Teiring System? I know that, but I never knew that those treads aren't allowed at this moment.

I'm fine with this thread being closed then, but with the new tiering system, the verse really reaches 1-A or even higher pretty easily.

Fair enough, thanks pal 👍.
New tiering system? Oh interesting
 
There's so much wrong with this thread, I'll comment on it later.
But a short summary; The word 'universe' isn't universe in Chinese, but world. Worlds can be massive or infinite sized, but they don't have to be.
There's also some other issues I've seen but I'll comment on those later, as I've said above
 
Yeah on second thought this is far too much work to do in-depth wise.
The "infinite worlds" thing you're trying to pull is wrong on multiple levels.
A) Translation wise
miHoYo (for some ungodly reason) translates 世界 as Universe, when it very clearly does not mean that.
B) Translation wise again
The "there are infinite worlds" thing that Welt was talking about is about the quantity, not quality, of worlds. English isn't as clear on this as Chinese is.

Within everything else, I can't discern your point from anything you're saying.
 
Yeah on second thought this is far too much work to do in-depth wise.
The "infinite worlds" thing you're trying to pull is wrong on multiple levels.
A) Translation wise
miHoYo (for some ungodly reason) translates 世界 as Universe, when it very clearly does not mean that.
B) Translation wise again
The "there are infinite worlds" thing that Welt was talking about is about the quantity, not quality, of worlds. English isn't as clear on this as Chinese is.

Within everything else, I can't discern your point from anything you're saying.
There is one tiktok regarding mistranslations in hoyoverse but idk how good it is but i can show you if you want to
 
By knowing the language. It's not as hard as people make it out to be.
Idk if its hard or not its just that different people have different translations which can cause different interpetations about scaling and its not only here but on many other languages tho
 
Yeah on second thought this is far too much work to do in-depth wise.
The "infinite worlds" thing you're trying to pull is wrong on multiple levels.
A) Translation wise
miHoYo (for some ungodly reason) translates 世界 as Universe, when it very clearly does not mean that.
B) Translation wise again
The "there are infinite worlds" thing that Welt was talking about is about the quantity, not quality, of worlds. English isn't as clear on this as Chinese is.

Within everything else, I can't discern your point from anything you're saying.
How unfortunate.

Is there any way to translate Chinese correctly?
 
First of all, someone with authority to edit the OP should add the tags of Honkai Impact 3rd and Honkai Star Rail to more people be aware of this thread, since if @GarrixianXD hadn't called me and the others, we wouldn't have known about the existence of this important thread
 
Regarding Low-1A and above, the wiki is banning 1-A threads until the tier system revision is finished (which will probably take months if not years, since Ultima is having some problems with his Tier 0 thread).
Nothing provided by the OP reaches High 1-B, let alone 1-A in the new system. Even in the old system I don't see anything higher than Low 1-A.

The most you'd vaguely get is High 1-C or 1-B with the tree being a debatable Low 1-A.
 
1-A requires R>F transcendences but there needs to be a lot of details to qualify for a true R>F Transcendence. I will say the "Infinite futures" thing would be 2-A at minimum. But High 1-C to 1-B may be solid enough.
 
1-A requires R>F transcendences but there needs to be a lot of details to qualify for a true R>F Transcendence. I will say the "Infinite futures" thing would be 2-A at minimum. But High 1-C to 1-B may be solid enough.
Describing the new 1-A as requiring reality-fiction transcendence isn't totally accurate, to be accurate it is any qualitative ontological superiority, of which Reality-Fiction relationship is the easiest way to explain. So it's not just limited to fiction as in seeing things as stories, but also stuff like Platonic Forms being the true reality which everything is the shadow of, or like mythologies where reality is just an illusion and theirs a true reality beyond it, or the classic Lovecraft inspired reality is just a dream of some higher being, their is also being ontologically beyond dimensionality requiring a higher reality by being qualitatively superior to any extension of dimensions. You could easily describe these as reality-fiction relationships but such terminology has a certain meaning on this site where saying that only R>F can be 1-A would confuse users.

Though all types of 1-A does follow the same strict requirements and complete disallow of lower realities effecting higher ones to be valid.
 
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Honestly, I can redo this thread in a more cohesive way, some scans are lacking and the explanation is not one of the best.
 
Nothing provided by the OP reaches High 1-B, let alone 1-A in the new system. Even in the old system I don't see anything higher than Low 1-A.

The most you'd vaguely get is High 1-C or 1-B with the tree being a debatable Low 1-A.
tbh iirc the way higher dimensions treat lower ones in honkai has stuff like "gravity works the same in all dimensions" and all stuff. IDK if that is r/f, if yes well and good
 
Rule number one (and a fundamental basis) of the new qualitative superiority standard, that a higher reality must see a lower reality as immaterial and insubstantial with their not being any form of continuity between the lower and higher reality. Which means this whole all dimensions are effected by gravity equally disqualifies it from being a true realty-fiction relationship.
 
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Rule number one (and a fundamental basis) of the new qualitative superiority standard, that a higher reality must see a lower reality as immaterial and insubstantial with their not being any form of continuity between the lower and higher reality. Which means this whole all dimensions are effected by gravity equally disqualifies it from being a true realty-fiction relationship.
The Honkaiverse uses brane stuff, hence the higher dimensional gravity.
Anyway, I don't think any of these are good arguments. Especially since there's other ways to get the verse to 1-Aish levels
 
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