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Massive Bloom Upgrade (again...) and Winx Club Revisions

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Alright. First and foremost before I get underway with this, I would like to apologize for the sudden upgrade thread for Bloom and Winx again given the most recent changes. Normally I wouldnt go for 2 upgrade threads for a character in a row and would usually wait a while, but I really wanted to point out what I currently discovered that could possibly upgrade Winx Club to levels even I never thought they would reach. So if all is alright, I would now like to propose a possible change that could upgrade Bloom and..well...majority of the verse:

  • Changing Bloom and anyone who scales to 2-A or High 2-A
Now when it comes to statements, I am aware that feats are taken as a higher priority (Not that it matters much in this case but still). But as far as Narrator statements go, I am told they are acceptable to the extreme here as they hold very important information. It is why we accepted statements to support characters like, say, DBS's narrator stating Beerus and Goku would destroy the universe. So to make the story shorter, if we do accept Narrator claims, then there is quite an interesting one I have found in Episode 25 of Winx Club, "Valtor's Fury".

> "The Ancestrial Witches told Bloom that her parents are still alive......exiled somewhere in the Infinite Magic Universe......and then hope revives in Bloom..."

And this is not the only time. The Narrator makes the exact same claim at the end of the episode as well, showing she is definitely not blowing hot air if ever considered. So if we consider this claim to be legitimate, this would mean that the Magic Dimension indeed possibly, likely, or straight up contains an infinite number of universes and realms within itself. To try and support it more, I have found 2 other things that should still imply it if possible-

1.) In Season 5 it reveals to the Winx an ocean like dimension that is connected to all the oceans throughout the entire Magic Dimension. To make it even more believeable, this dimension is literally referred to as "The Infinite Ocean."

2.) In the first episode of S4 Miss Farigonda explains to the winx about higher more powerful levels of magic when going into the Heart of Alfea College, a place that holds the entire history of the magic dimension. It's like a museum of magic, containing the past, present, and even parts of the future. But the most important part of this point is she tells the Winx some interesting things:

  • "Yes, your achivements have made you celebraties, but you must remember what is truly important. A fairies life is an endless journey, and you must never believe you are at its end."


  • "This is the great book of fairies. In it you'll see that each level leads to a chance to achive a new more powerful level. Don't just look at the pictures Stella, you should all read it. Then you'll find out the infinite magic levels a fairy can reach."


In both of these statements, it is very clear that Ms. Farigonda is assuring the winx that their lives as fairies are endless and they can never think they are done when they can keep going. To discover all of the endless magic levels they can all obtain. If the Magic Dimension is truly infinite, then these claims would make sense as there would be an endless amount of magical power fairies can reach so they then gain endless levels. And since the magic dimension is literally the source of all things magical in the Winx verse, you can see my point. In addition, Ms. Farigonda is the headmistress of Alfea, the guide for the winx and is one of the most knowledgeable fairies in the entire verse. She has no reason to exaggerate when she is trying to guide her students down the right path as fairies and she'd also know what she is talking about, especially when using "endless" and "infinite" to emphasize her claims in the same sequence.

So if nothing else to go against this, and accepted, the winx verse would be infinite with the above points to support it. Here are the characters who would scale that will need to eventually get pages:


-Bloom of course since she holds the power of the Dragon Flame and the Great Dragon used it to literally create the entire verse itself with just a mere breathe of fire and can also fuse her power with her sister Daphne, another Dragon Flame user and the Water Stars which equal the G.D.

-The Winx would scale from at least their Enchantix forms and beyond. As Enchantix fairies they can wield the power of the Water Stars without any trouble period. And they receieve parts of the Dragon Flame later anyway.

-The Trix scale as they are consistently a major enemy to the winx and have done feats such as using the dragon flame, gained Daphne's Sirenix, and most importantly, fighting the winx in all forms more times then we can count.

-Valtor would scale as he is literally a part of the Dragon Flame itself. When the G.D. created the verse, a fragment of the Dragon Flame fell into the darkness and was melded into Valtor. So his power comes from the dragon as well.

-The 3 Ancestrial Witches scale since they, at the very least, molded the evil dragon fire to create Valtor.

-The Company of Light, which consists of Blooms birth parents Oritel and Mario, Ms. Farigonda, Ms. Griffin and Salado. They scale because despite losing, they were able to fight against Valtor more than once to try and defeat him, though Blooms parents scale higher as they were the ones who actually defeat Valtor before being sealed away with Domino.

-Lord Darkar (The Shadow Phoniex) scales because he is an evil version of the Dragon Flame like Valtor and is almost as powerful as the Great Dragon. He can also absorb the dragon flames energy to turn it into a negative force.

-Arcadia and the Etheral Fairies scale because Arcadia was able to take and seal away the Water Stars into the golden kingdom so that they wouldnt cause destruction throughout the Magic Dimension. She can also make sure their power doesnt go out of control and the Ethereal Fairies are at least as strong as Arcadia.

-Wizards of the Black Circle scale as they are able to be superior the Winx even in their normal Believix forms and are known to be one of the most evil threats to the Magic Dimension.

-The Earth Fairies scale as the winx needed upgraded powers of Believix (Sophix and Lovix) in order to defeat them, which wasnt easy regardless.

-Tritannus scales as not only did the Winx needed Sirenix to stand a chance against him, but he stole Dapnhe's Sirenix power and was going to conquor all of the Magic Dimension.

-Selena scales because she can not only use the Legendariums power, but she can also fight against Bloom and steal a part of her Dragon Flame for Acheron (though mind you a very very very small part as Bloom didnt even notice Selena took it).

-And lastly, Achero scales because he created the Legendarium World (and this dimension would also need to be infinite as it covers all of the stories and myths in the Magic Dimension and makes them real) and is far superior to Selena and can fight against Bloom. Though this should also make Bloom an even higher character by a large degree as Acheron's power is laughable compared to the G.D.'s overall power who created him with the verse.

So now we got that done, that concludes the suggested changes. Also, here is a document with pictures of Blooms other fairy forms to add to her page regardless of no upgrade so she can have keys. But i'll need someone to add them for me please. I'd love to do it myself but I still don't know how to add any tabs.

So, does this look okay?
 
So is this a thread where everyone will stay on track and talk about the series for 100+ comments?

Not saying it's bad to do, it just makes the thread go longer at times than it should be.

This one, I don't have a good opinion on in the sense that I can't discern it enough if we count this as a 2-A feat....or thing.

Let me highlight this up for ya then if anything, Kukui(?).
 
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I... have nothing else to say here. Nohthing is contradicted . This is some seriously good work here , Kukui. All of the scaling here is consistent. That is A LOT of Tier 2-A's in one verse though. Although i do know of another... Yep i'm looking at you Shin Megami Tensei ...

One, Cross ... Thanks for highlighting this thread. It will make having notifications easier. Although i do agree to some extent, i do not see how this isn't legitimate. Debatable yes, but not illegitimate. The infinite levels part however is the only confusing detail.
 
I said that I'm not sure. Didn't say I didn't agree with it, which is why I highlighted it to see what others think of this.
 
Yeah definitely. We're just going to discuss upgrades and maybe stats for the other characters as im trying to seriously consider getting help to make pages.

And thank you. I understand your not sure (even I thought this was impossible) but im glad im pointing these out so it gets attention, accepted or not.
 
"Infinite Magic Universe"

A universe that's infinite would be at most Low 2-C.

Same with this "infinite ocean" that connects throughout the dimension.

"A fairies life is an endless journey." This really does not imply an infinite amount of universes. Just that, as the quote implies, a fairy's life is endless.

"Then you'll find out the infinite magic levels a fairy can reach." Again this doesn't immediately indicate infinite universes. Taking it as literal as possible, it means a fairy can reach infinite power, which they'd already do here if they were rated as Tier 2.
 
The "Infinite Magic Dimension" sounds more like an universe of infinite size rather than an infinite Multiverse, unless anything points it to being an Multiverse in of itself (The Winx Club wiki is very vague on that). I'd also like more context regarding the "Infinite Ocean", because that sounds more like an infinite universe, but I dunno.
 
Well the Magic Dimension isnt just a single universe, it has other universes within itself. Like the one which has Stella's homeworld Selaria or Blooms homeworld Domino.

But to whether or not there's infinite is what we don't know, so I proposed this to try and see if could be that.

EDIT: also Ryu the Magic Universe is really a synonym for the Magic Dimension so its not merely a universe per say but a dimension.
 
If the Magic "Universe" is actually a multiverse that's been stated to be infinite, perhaps there might be a case there. I still stand that the other reasonings for this are not valid.
 
Ryukama said:
"Then you'll find out the infinite magic levels a fairy can reach." Again this doesn't immediately indicate infinite universes. Taking it as literal as possible, it means a fairy can reach infinite power, which they'd already do here if they were rated as Tier 2.
To be fair here, this isnt completely out of the question. Given the large amount of fairies able to fight the winx it should be very possible for them to reach tier 2. Even Roxie, a rookie fairy who was born on earth, was able to fight against the WoBC after just awakening her powers and those guys are dangerous even to the Believix Winx.It's just that it would take a ridiculous amount of time for any normal fairy to get this strong due to them not being winx-level fairies.
 
Which is why I said the Winx Club wiki is rather vague about it. It brings up other universes, but also implies they're just planets or something. It's very odd. I would defiantly like more context regarding it.

That said, if they are true universes, I think "Possibly 2-A" could work.
 
Problems I have.

"It is why we accepted statements to support characters like, say, DBS's narrator stating Beerus and Goku would destroy the universe"

Except this was also brought up by multiple sources as well. Let's not use this as an example.

"Infinite Magic Universe" could still mean just an infinite universe. That is still 3-A to High 3-A. We are also using the dimensions thing a lot. Are these dimensions universes? Or not?

"Yes, your achivements have made you celebraties, but you must remember what is truly important. A fairies life is an endless journey, and you must never believe you are at its end."

How does this support that?

"This is the great book of fairies. In it you'll see that each level leads to a chance to achive a new more powerful level. Don't just look at the pictures Stella, you should all read it. Then you'll find out the infinite magic levels a fairy can reach."

Again how is this support? What are these Magic levels? Are these levels of power? Then I don't believe that makes you 2-A correct me if I'm wrong. We had the same discussion revolving around Dragonoid. Heck infinite power could simply be Low 2-C.

I don't know much about Winx Club but, based on what I see I don't fully support this.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
To be fair here, this isnt completely out of the question. Given the large amount of fairies able to fight the winx it should be very possible for them to reach tier 2. Even Roxie, a rookie fairy who was born on earth, was able to fight against the WoBC after just awakening her powers and those guys are dangerous even to the Believix Winx.It's just that it would take a ridiculous amount of time for any normal fairy to get this strong due to them not being winx-level fairies.
And? Just becase it's easy for some fairies to become Tier 2 and takes others "a ridiculous amount of time" doesn't mean there are infinite universes and that these characters have the potential to become 2-A.
 
Thats a good point Dark.

Tho while rewatching winx recently they usually interchange the words from planets to realms to even dimensions. I think this can at least imply(?) that each world in the dimension exist in different universes or something like that. We consistently see the characters need to teleport between dimensions in order for them to reach these worlds when they could simply just take space-ships there (and this is a good point as the winx have the specialists take them places so they can help them on their missions).
 
Ryukama said:
And? Just becase it's easy for some fairies to become Tier 2 and takes others "a ridiculous amount of time" doesn't mean there are infinite universes and that these characters have the potential to become 2-A.
Oh I know that. Was just pointing out its not impossible for a normal fairy to be TIer 2. It doesnt mean it has any support to what I suggested.
 
Yeah a magic level is just another word for transformation. I used it as support because I assumed that if the Magic Dimension is infinite, then there would be infinite forms of magic that a fairy can get access to, thus having "infinite levels" to transform into one after the other. It's not the same as what we talked about for Drago IIRC but I can be wrong.
 
Im fine if this doesnt get accepted btw as I was very unsure about this in the beginning too but I wanted to discuss just in case. I'd like to wait for Everlasting to get his input in here as well as he's one of the ones i've talked to Winx about the most here so he should be given a chance.

Tho whether this is accepted or not, could someone still please add the pictures of bloom to her page so she has different keys?

EDIT: Also i'll be out for a little bit so I'll have to reply again later. Please dont close this while im gone as I'll be back soon to talk more.
 
I agree with Ryukama. Perhaps we should remove the highlight and close this thread?
 
I think we should at least give Kukui a chance to reply again. Though if he still doesn't convince everyone here, which likely may be the case but still, then i suppose that will have to be that then.
 
Well i'd still like to be fair and wait for Ever to say something about this since he is very knowledgeable about Winx Club, if its alright. Tho removing the highlight I don't mind at all.

And I'd also like to see if anyone could still add in the other fairy forms for Bloom on her page if anything.
 
Kk. Thats that then. Thank you for being patient tho as I wanted to be fair and let everyone get a chance to say something.

But before we close this, can one of you please add Blooms other forms into a tab? I would do it myself but I still don't know how to so it'd be better if more experienced editors did it.
 
I guess i can do that then. Though couldn't i just look that up at the Winx Club wikia site for reference?
 
I'll just go look them up now and see what i can find.

Anyways, i'm gonna close this up now seeing as several of the staff have pointed out the problems with this and have thus not support this.
 
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