EldemadeDityjon
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Someone just make a some good justification for Adam AP and speed I'll publish the profile by this month end.
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MASHLE: Magic and Muscles Discussion Thread
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I think for now you can just use upscaling and multipliers.
Mashle already has great AP/speed and multipliers. I think you can still take advantage of that.
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Problem with that is Cell's ***** ass introduced a possible 1000x multiplier that needs to be discussed
In all honesty we need to introduce a UES blog for the series. Its clear that raw magic power increases the caster's physicals, so it would make deciding speed easier if that wizard is stronger than another.
As for AP, I guess 5-C should be safe. Not only did Innocent Zero bring him along instead of Doom, but he should also be comparable to a Summons Wahlberg while not even having his own out. But this hinges on the fact that Wahlberg should also be 5-C, which is an entirely different argument.
His Thirds should just be what it takes to evaporate an entire planet, since Darkness evaporates stuff as shown. Or whatever EE nets if we're going down the route of the original interpretation.
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But this has nothing to do with power.
And he could easily defeat Wahlberg without any summoning.
He summoned Adam for two reasons.
1 - He wanted to show Wahlberg what he was capable of doing, bringing others back to life, etc.
2 - He wanted to absorb his master's magic, which IZ hadn't done yet.
It doesn't really correlate to "I need help in the fight, who's the strongest one I can summon?"
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Good points all around, yes. However, for Wahlberg's scaling, if Innocent Zero was so far above Wahlberg, why did he resort to using his own Summons when Wahlberg casted his? This paints a pretty clear picture that the latter would have caused serious harm to base Innocent Zero, who we see take little damage from a Weakness Mode Mash, that same Mash who was bodying Doom.
There's a clear chain that goes: Summons IZ > Summons Wahlberg > Base IZ > Base Wahlberg
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I mean, is that really it? I think?
I just said that IZ was way ahead and could defeat Wahlberg alone, so summoning (in the sense of summoning others to fight) wasn't an issue (not summoning in the wand sense).
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Because it's the fact that Innocent Zero never uses his summons elsewhere when he doesn't need to. He doesn't unleash his summons against Mash who he had just seen kick his strongest son's ass, he never uses his summons against the Visionaries in his angelic form or against Meliadoul (only his Thirds), and he never uses his Summons against Mash in their final fight until he has a giant gaping hole in his body. I think it's clear that with these moments, Innocent Zero actually believed that Wahlberg could have put up a threat against his base self with Uranus summoned.
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I think you're confusing the "invocation" I'm referring to. I've never disagreed with the scale between these two, I was just commenting on Adam.
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Hmm turns out I can't read, who woulda thought hrrrrmmmmm.....
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Yeah, I haven't heard that or anything, other than likes and some comments about my BUMP-mas posts. Thank You everyone who did send them! It was very much appreciated
Even if it's completely wrong, I'd like some explanations or notes to see why and maybe fix it
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I don't know anything about math, so unfortunately I can't help you. I wish you luck anyway.Yeah, I haven't heard that or anything, other than likes and some comments about my BUMP-mas posts. Thank You everyone who did send them! It was very much appreciated
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I understand and Thanks for your support
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Less so about it being wrong, and more so it being a mess to read. Google translate wasn't kind to Portuguese.Yeah, I haven't heard that or anything, other than likes and some comments about my BUMP-mas posts. Thank You everyone who did send them! It was very much appreciated
Man if only King were here.
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You're not really wrong, and this was after all the spacing I did to the original
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want some help with mashle calcs?Sim, não ouvi nada disso, além de curtidas e alguns comentários sobre minhas postagens do BUMP-mas. Obrigado a todos que enviaram! Foi muito apreciado.
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Any, and I mean ANY, help would be appreciated
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So, you'll have to wait for someone from the calculation team to evaluate my calculation for Mash Small Planet via Continent Push and the Mash speed feat for Domina (in which I increase, in Low Ball, from almost 6,000c to 13,000c).
By the way, I know you don't understand math, but I was wondering: in the accepted calculation for Mash Blitz Domina, a speed of Mach 3 was used for Domina's water jet. However, there's Levis's statement about Mach 7. In your opinion, would it be consistent for me to use a speed of Mach 7?
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Tell me, what exactly will you need my help with? If it's those Napoleondevious calculations, you need a BIG, but like, BIG correction.Yes! Please and Thank You
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Yeah... the most I've gotten is that it needs to be edited so people can read it more clear and concisely, when I already did that from the previous version. Otherwise, no one's really said anything other than support for keeping up w/it for so long; it'll be a Whole Year in about 2 weeks. Have no idea if there's anything wrong w/it
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The dialectic of the calculation is horrible, the reference values have no clarification, so it is not possible to understand what the hell the calculation is calculating, there is no justification for ANYTHING in the calculation, in short: The calculation, besides having a terrible text, is very poorly explained and without context.
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Sooo a complete overhaul then...
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Clearly, lol, but from what I understand, you were calculating the energy to move that pile of water and the continent?
By the way, completely exclude the speed part, as this completely abuses the stacking of calculations. Furthermore, Ryoh's rays don't act like real light, so he can't have a SoL speed, and the calculation doesn't justify such a speed.
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His attacks are stated to move at the speed of light in the fan book, also, saying it doesn't "behave" like light doesn't mean it isn't light speed. Not only is it fiction but it's also light MAGIC, so obviously excepting it to be 1-1 is strange in its premise
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Do you have Mashle's fanbook or know someone who does? If so, please send it to me.
You know you need evidence for projects (like Ryoh's) to move at SoL speed, beyond being referred to as light, right?
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Howdy, while my contributions have been lacking (Lupin updates have been going GREAT), that doesn't mean I've forgotten about the verse. Suggesting some alterations for the Sleight of Hand page with our boy Mash being one of the main examples added. (Side note, we have a Sleight of Hand page. Quite a few traits from Mash can be associated here)
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Alright folks, I guess the elephant in the room should be adressed....
Mashle has some ****** up translation issues doesn't it. I've been stressing over the continent stuff, but apparently Mash wasn't just pushing the continent, he was pushing the entire TECTONIC PLATE. Now I'm no geologist, but I'm assuming this buffs the feat to a ridiculous degree, right?
Oh yeah the actual elephant, what's with the Door of Demand? How do we scale the feat?
Mashle has some ****** up translation issues doesn't it. I've been stressing over the continent stuff, but apparently Mash wasn't just pushing the continent, he was pushing the entire TECTONIC PLATE. Now I'm no geologist, but I'm assuming this buffs the feat to a ridiculous degree, right?
Oh yeah the actual elephant, what's with the Door of Demand? How do we scale the feat?
EldemadeDityjon
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I already pointed out they Mistranslating too fast as lightning speed. Yeah some translation are really bad
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Now, now, in all honesty I'm going off of old leaks, where the description of said leak revealed Mash was pushing the tectonic plate, not just the continent.TECTONIC PLATE... I PRAYED FOR TIMES LIKE THIS!!!
Problem is, where exactly does that scale. What tectonic plate do we use from our world as a base end. The smallest? The Australian plate maybe?
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I'd be down w/that or maybe we get a range of a few different tectonic plates
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Excuse me, but what would be the difference between pushing the continent and a tectonic plate?
I believe we should use the arithmetic mean of the plates, or even the smallest one.
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A continent is simply the land that sits on a tectonic plate. The plate is the slab of earth that sits on the earth's mantle.
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Bros finally back
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The calculation has errors...I hope the CGM notices this.
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Oh yeah, if this eventually catches on and gets accepted in a crt, I wonder what matches that will open up.
There's obviously Mash and IZ vs the BC God tiers, but who else could there be
EldemadeDityjon
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Give me Adam AP justification. My sandbox is rotting lol
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I'm going to be honest, I don't know anymore. Unless you wanna get Adam's section I'm the fanbook translated to get that direct statement if him having the power to potentially destroy the world, or that supposed creator god statement, the scaling is just wack. You could say that Adam is 5-C for IZ bringing him over Doom and sorta matching Summons Wahlberg, but the main reason IZ brought him was to break Wahlberg's spirits.
EldemadeDityjon
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It's been while I also read Mashle so I'm not sure about scaling. I think it's better to scale his Third as World destroying feat and downscaling his base from it would be better
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