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So whats stopping isshiki from immoblizing her with his rod after he pierces her with it
The fact she can actually see the rods and because of her regeneration she can heal that no problems, she also has forcefields so piercing her is not gonna be easy to begin with.
 
The fact she can actually see the rods and because of her regeneration she can heal that no problems, she also has forcefields so piercing her is not gonna be easy to begin with.
How's she gonna "see" rods that spawn directly inside her body? These are Dura Neg attacks were talking about, It aint a projectile as always.
 
And since isshiki's aim in this match is to kill her according to OP. Isshiki can drop massive cubes on her, or spawn his dura neg rods through her head and even expand the size of said rods beyond human size, ultimately killing her in all instances.
 
How's she gonna "see" rods that spawn directly inside her body? These are Dura Neg attacks were talking about, It aint a projectile as always.
The fact that she has regeneration is one, the fact that Ishiki or Jigen never spawned directly in ones brain also goes without saying, the fact in this fight he will priorize keeping her alive to use as vessel before thinking of killing her.
And since isshiki's aim in this match is to kill her according to OP. Isshiki can drop massive cubes on her, or spawn his dura neg rods through her head and even expand the size of said rods beyond human size, ultimately killing her in all instances.
His goal is rather keep being alive as it should be clear by the op. She has about 2 times AP advantage, her standard tactics is barely even touching the ground try to hit her while flying is surely not gonna be easy.
Edit: I forgot to mention but Captai Marvel has mid regeneration which means she can heal even if Ishiki does pierce her head with the rods. Again this shouldn't matter much because Ishiki considered Naruto hard to kill even if a rod through his head would have killed him.
 
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The fact that she has regeneration is one, the fact that Ishiki or Jigen never spawned directly in ones brain also goes without saying, the fact in this fight he will priorize keeping her alive to use as vessel before thinking of killing her.
I mean, you could argue PIS ngl. Either way the rods also have paralysis so if she gets hit she wouldn't be able to move.
His goal is rather keep being alive as it should be clear by the op. She has about 2 times AP advantage, her standard tactics is barely even touching the ground try to hit her while flying is surely not gonna be easy.
Edit: I forgot to mention but Captai Marvel has mid regeneration which means she can heal even if Ishiki does pierce her head with the rods. Again this shouldn't matter much because Ishiki considered Naruto hard to kill even if a rod through his head would have killed him.
The OP implies Cap is compatible with karma so what's stopping him from just grabbing her and imprinting karma onto her?
 
I mean, you could argue PIS ngl. Either way the rods also have paralysis so if she gets hit she wouldn't be able to move.
You can't argue nothing, even if he can do it, he never did even when his life was on the line so either he can't or he doesn't know how either ways is not part of his tactics. And as I said Ishiki is obviously gonna try to take her as a vessel since that's his survival chance, will only attempt to kill her as last resort cuz "if I can't have it no one can"
She has resistance to paralysis.
The OP implies Cap is compatible with karma so what's stopping him from just grabbing her and imprinting karma onto her?
The fact that this is a fight and she is not going to stay still allowing him to do it. It takes time for Ishiki to do it, and she has a 2 times AP advantage that grows with each second she absorbs any energy around her including sunlight.
Ishiki needs to hold her long enough to do it.
 
You can't argue nothing,
You really can ngl.
even if he can do it, he never did even when his life was on the line so either he can't or he doesn't know how either ways is not part of his tactics.
That's also a valid argument.
And as I said Ishiki is obviously gonna try to take her as a vessel since that's his survival chance, will only attempt to kill her as last resort cuz "if I can't have it no one can"
She has resistance to paralysis.
I'm not sure if that works for all types of paralysis since it's specifically in regards to poison based paralysis.
The fact that this is a fight and she is not going to stay still allowing him to do it.
She doesn't really need to. All he needs to do is grab her by the throat once and it's GGs.
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It takes time for Ishiki to do it, and she has a 2 times AP advantage that grows with each second she absorbs any energy around her including sunlight.
Ishiki needs to hold her long enough to do it.
It didn't seem to take time at all. Hell Momoshiki did so while getting blasted into smithereens
 
The fact that she has regeneration is one
Her Mid Regen as far as i can see heals severe damage done to the brain, what happens when the rods are tens of meters from daikokuten similarly to what he did with koji which almost crushed him whole. Naruto also with his regen albeit inferior was going to die after being crushed by isshiki's cubes which would be detrimental here.

And as I said Ishiki is obviously gonna try to take her as a vessel since that's his survival chance, will only attempt to kill her as last resort cuz "if I can't have it no one can"
the fact in this fight he will priorize keeping her alive to use as vessel before thinking of killing her.
Good point. The OP saved her lol, albeit, she can still be paralyzed and incacipated by his rods, the resistance argument i will get to.

She has resistance to paralysis.
Yes, thats applicable to poison. Isshiki's rods are paralyzing weapons as they can grow in mass above a person's own surface area potentially incaping them to the ground or mid air, and the fact that they drain the energy of those it hits. Resisting poison that paralyzes you doesnt mean u can tank inf tsukuyomi, they arent compatible albeit they fall under the same power slot as most do.

Again this shouldn't matter much because Ishiki considered Naruto hard to kill even if a rod through his head would have killed him.
But he wasnt trying to kill naruto. The profile enlightens this aswell, he's tryna gain info. As jigen you can make an argument that he indeed was trying to kill them, but as isshiki he wasnt as he stated himself. Isshiki himself is and was capable of killing them, unknown for jigen seeing the sheer AP difference.

her standard tactics is barely even touching the ground try to hit her while flying is surely not gonna be easy.
Isshiki can also fly. This match is gonna be aerial combat if anything.

she has a 2 times AP advantage that grows with each second she absorbs any energy around her including sunlight.
AS stated above, this match will be strictly aerial combat as isshiki will be forced to fly here. He upscales above his value by alot so the AP difference should be a little closer (but seeing that its D F'ing C, she probably does too), Isshiki with his experience as a fighter (1k+ years) and his combat skill that can tear the God Of Shinobi apart especially in hand to hand combat would probably keep isshiki posted for a while. Isshiki should be far more skilled than her in hand to hand combat as he upscales above an entire verse worth of it and has the superior experience seeing his age. He'll use sukanahiko and daikokuten to help him midst battle, paralyzing and stopping ms marvel in her tracks repeatedly to catch her offguard or rush her, and is able to dominate the battle field with these abilities applicable to huge cubes that can be dropped on her, the rods ofc that have dura neg and sometimes fire ball jutsus from koji that;
True Fire of Samadhi: Flames of purgatory that are almost impossible to get rid of be it storm or strong wind. They are stated to burn fast that even regenerative techniques can not keep up with them, and can be summoned directly from Koji, from a thrown Kunai or a summoned frog.
Isshiki has alot of things in his arsenal that can hold up. Along with his own "shrinking himself" shenanigans. Even if she can see him, he cant be sensed by energy or those who arguably have better sensing abilities like naruto and sasuke and even a sage mode user like kashin so he can stealth it out. He can stealth mode onto her body and do a couple stuff that'll harm her without her knowing yet. He can also seal her if things get too threatrous, and implant his karma after the battle, he'd have paralyzed her atp.
 
You really can ngl.

That's also a valid argument.
It's the only argument.
I'm not sure if that works for all types of paralysis since it's specifically in regards to poison based paralysis.
Paralysis is paralysis it's a reaction from the body.
She doesn't really need to. All he needs to do is grab her by the throat once and it's GGs.
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It didn't seem to take time at all. Hell Momoshiki did so while getting blasted into smithereens
First I would like to point out that this specific circunstance it's a kawaki that already has 80% of the otsutsuki data inside, the first time they did it was shown to require much more stuff, and he had his hands on him for a while before it started.
 
Paralysis is paralysis it's a reaction from the body.
Yea but thats not how it works on here. Resisting poison that paralyses u doesnt mean u can resist looking into someone's eyes which can paralyze u. It only means she's resistant to poisons that paralyze the body or anything similar which isshiki's rods are far more advanced and different.
 
It's the only argument.
Actually no. Unfortunately there's this
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And this
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So he actually does go for the head in character.
Paralysis is paralysis it's a reaction from the body.
Not really.
First I would like to point out that this specific circunstance it's a kawaki that already has 80% of the otsutsuki data inside, the first time they did it was shown to require much more stuff, and he had his hands on him for a while before it started.
When Jigen first gave him karma it was
1. Jigen, not Isshikis true form
2. Done in a test tube on dozens of children at once

So it's not comparable at all. And there's nothing implying Kawaki already being part Isshiki made it any faster.
 
Yea but thats not how it works on here. Resisting poison that paralyses u doesnt mean u can resist looking into someone's eyes which can paralyze u. It only means she's resistant to poisons that paralyze the body or anything similar which isshiki's rods are far more advanced and different.
Yes exactly. You can paralyze someone with fear, with electricity, with poison, straight up by breaking their spine, etc.
Just simply resisting one of them doesn't grant resistance to all forms of paralysis
 
Her Mid Regen as far as i can see heals severe damage done to the brain, what happens when the rods are tens of meters from daikokuten similarly to what he did with koji which almost crushed him whole. Naruto also with his regen albeit inferior was going to die after being crushed by isshiki's cubes which would be detrimental here.
Can heal even decapitation, again try hitting a target that is contatnly flying not one that is stuck to the ground. Naruto's regeneration is 2 levels bellow Carol, so it's quite a considerable difference.
Good point. The OP saved her lol, albeit, she can still be paralyzed and incacipated by his rods, the resistance argument i will get to.


Yes, thats applicable to poison. Isshiki's rods are paralyzing weapons as they can grow in mass above a person's own surface area potentially incaping them to the ground or mid air, and the fact that they drain the energy of those it hits. Resisting poison that paralyzes you doesnt mean u can tank inf tsukuyomi, they are compatible albeit they fall under the same power slot as most do.
First I would like to bring a few scans here look

Infinite tsukyome messes with your mind which stops the body from moving because you are not capable of telling your body to move, poison and rods work on similar stuff, and she would be capable of resisting it she has multiple layers of mind resistance too.
But he wasnt trying to kill naruto. The profile enlightens this aswell, he's tryna gain info. As jigen you can make an argument that he indeed was trying to kill them, but as isshiki he wasnt as he stated himself. Isshiki himself is and was capable of killing them, unknown for jigen seeing the sheer AP difference.
He was when he attacked Naruto as Jigen, he was trying to kill Kashin koji and never once did he summoned one inside his brain.
Isshiki can also fly. This match is gonna be aerial combat if anything.
AS stated above, this match will be strictly aerial combat as isshiki will be forced to fly here. He upscales above his value by alot so the AP difference should be a little closer (but seeing that its D F'ing C, she probably does too), Isshiki with his experience as a fighter (1k+ years) and his combat skill that can tear the God Of Shinobi apart especially in hand to hand combat would probably keep isshiki posted for a while. Isshiki should be far more skilled than her in hand to hand combat as he upscales above an entire verse worth of it and has the superior experience seeing his age. He'll use sukanahiko and daikokuten to help him midst battle, paralyzing and stopping ms marvel in her tracks repeatedly to catch her offguard or rush her, and is able to dominate the battle field with these abilities applicable to huge cubes that can be dropped on her, the rods ofc that have dura neg and sometimes fire ball jutsus from koji that;
Yes, an Aerial fight makes it much difficult to hit by crushing her since she has the time to dodge in mid air.
Are you kidding? She has multiple marcial arts on her DNA aside the ones she already knew herself, age is meaningless. Most of your arguments are based on Ishiki fighting Naruto who was speed wise much inferior, this won't be the case here, she has microscopic vision so she can see him and the rods mid combat, fire really? Do you wanna make her stronger?
Isshiki has alot of things in his arsenal that can hold up. Along with his own "shrinking himself" shenanigans. Even if she can see him, he cant be sensed by energy or those who arguably have better sensing abilities like naruto and sasuke and even a sage mode user like kashin so he can stealth it out. He can stealth mode onto her body and do a couple stuff that'll harm her without her knowing yet. He can also seal her if things get too threatrous, and implant his karma after the battle, he'd have paralyzed her atp.
She has microscopic vision, Sasuke was capable of seeing the rods sometimes even react but he just wasn't fast enough which won't be a problem here.
 
Yea but thats not how it works on here. Resisting poison that paralyses u doesnt mean u can resist looking into someone's eyes which can paralyze u. It only means she's resistant to poisons that paralyze the body or anything similar which isshiki's rods are far more advanced and different.
Yes exactly. You can paralyze someone with fear, with electricity, with poison, straight up by breaking their spine, etc.
Just simply resisting one of them doesn't grant resistance to all forms of paralysis
His rods work very similar to poison unless you want to talk about their effect being mind related in which she wins even harder since Marvel mind manipulation has 4D potency and s#it. Anyways none of the forms of paralysis you listed would work on her, mind resistance, she absorb electricity, poison resitance, regeneration ect. She has basic Marvel magic resistance which means she has resistances to even absurd things like plot manipulation abstract s#it, you can check it yourselves.
 
When Jigen first gave him karma it was
1. Jigen, not Isshikis true form
2. Done in a test tube on dozens of children at once

So it's not comparable at all. And there's nothing implying Kawaki already being part Isshiki made it any faster.
There is nothing implying Jigen placing Karma is any different from Ishiki true form. And it doesn't matter if you want we can bring anime version and show the time it took, regardless he needs to be capable of containing her and holding her. Also about Momoshiki he did using some sort of power unknown to us actually pretty sure he was either in Boruto's mind or he stopped time which Ishiki doesn't seem to be able to
 
His rods work very similar to poison unless you want to talk about their effect being mind related in which she wins even harder since Marvel mind manipulation has 4D potency and s#it. Anyways none of the forms of paralysis you listed would work on her, mind resistance, she absorb electricity, poison resitance, regeneration ect. She has basic Marvel magic resistance which means she has resistances to even absurd things like plot manipulation abstract s#it, you can check it yourselves.
Actually the rods seem to work by piercing pressure points and stopping the target from controlling their chakra
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There is nothing implying Jigen placing Karma is any different from Ishiki true form.
One imprints karma through tubes onto dozens of targets while the other does so by grabbing the target. We also know Jigen couldn't utilize sukonahikona and daikokuten even nearly as well as Isshikis true form.
And it doesn't matter if you want we can bring anime version and show the time it took,
Cinematic time + it still appears almost instantly in the anime
regardless he needs to be capable of containing her and holding her.
He has a far higher lifting strength (class M vs class G) which is used for grappling and similar stuff. Isshiki even massively upscales from the value.
Also about Momoshiki he did using some sort of power unknown to us actually pretty sure he was either in Boruto's mind or he stopped time which Ishiki doesn't seem to be able to
We don't know but we do know it didn't take a long time.
 
Can heal even decapitation, again try hitting a target that is contatnly flying not one that is stuck to the ground.
He can keep up. The guy has acess to the byakugan which can track foe's movements by their energy. Flight doesnt matter when you're fighting against someone who can do the same, especially when they have abilities dedicated ro track ur existence.

Naruto's regeneration is 2 levels bellow Carol, so it's quite a considerable difference.
That's true. But isshiki has more than just stabbing vital organs. What about getting flattened by a huge cube or a huge pole. She doesnt have regen to recover from that.
First I would like to bring a few scans here look
Could u please explain what's going on in that scan? Im clueless lol, im not good with marvel comics.

poison and rods work on similar stuff, and she would be capable of resisting it she has multiple layers of mind resistance too.
Yes exactly. You can paralyze someone with fear, with electricity, with poison, straight up by breaking their spine, etc.
Just simply resisting one of them doesn't grant resistance to all forms of paralysis
They really dont. I dont understand why this is being argued either, its like comparing apples and oranges, they're similar due to the fact they "paralyze" the enemy but how? and in what form? These are what really matter here.
He was when he attacked Naruto as Jigen, he was trying to kill Kashin koji and never once did he summoned one inside his brain.
Jigen and isshiki are two different individuals here. Isshiki rn has a different objective on the line in this match with nothing stopping him from what he wants to do especially with SBA rules. Also idk if u saw but david posted a scan earlier of jigen using rods to target his head.

Yes, an Aerial fight makes it much difficult to hit by crushing her since she has the time to dodge in mid air.
How? The cubes are spawning above her that cover dozens of meters and will advance at her location at the same speed she flies, the only difference is that these weapons are size magnified lol.

Are you kidding? She has multiple marcial arts on her DNA aside the ones she already knew herself
Do they compare or surpass naruto's whole verse in taijutsu format tho? All that said but could mean nothing if it aint superior.

age is meaningless
How so? Telling me that combat experience doesnt matter? Because that's basically a component of skill which can change the battleground of opposing teams based on the fact they have dealt with more dangerous foes..... Experienece is what also makes one hones their skills and make it effective against others which is seen irl and in fiction.... and isshiki has 1k+ years of that.

Most of your arguments are based on Ishiki fighting Naruto who was speed wise much inferior, this won't be the case here
Please do hint the parts in my arguments that cover how "its just a speed difference" as I believe i didnt have anything relating to speed but isshiki's own abilities and uses lol.

this won't be the case here, she has microscopic vision so she can see him and the rods mid combat
Stealth from isshiki covers this.

fire really? Do you wanna make her stronger?
Hey man, its just a argument of versatility. But valid point either way, i didnt notice her mahoraga abilities on the profile.

She has microscopic vision
I already explained why thats null. She'll be looking around and not be able to find him as he'd already cross distance and reach her body. Stealth can effectively render senses useless, thats the point of it.


Sasuke was capable of seeing the rods sometimes even react but he just wasn't fast enough which won't be a problem here.
That only worked with karma jigen. On the profile it states partial otsuktsuki mode now blitzes him with them. + this is a perception speed feat ur mentioning, how ironic. They're equalised in this match

His rods work very similar
In what way? The posion doesnt drain energy from the foes body? Nor is it metal, or even solid. What they do make them similar, but how they achieve it is far different. Thats not how close similarities work
 
Actually the rods seem to work by piercing pressure points and stopping the target from controlling their chakra
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Aside the fact that she doesn't have chakra those rods can be overpowered by sheer power as seen by Naruto when he turned into Kurama during Pain Arc and when Jigen used it on Naruto he just summoned Kurama's chakra and completely overpowered it, there is laso Naruto completely pierced by them by the end of the fight and still could use clone jutsu to save sasuke and to fight Jigen. Also Those Rods won't be able to drain anything because she just would absorb everything back while absorbing sun's power to become even stronger.
One imprints karma through tubes onto dozens of targets while the other does so by grabbing the target. We also know Jigen couldn't utilize sukonahikona and daikokuten even nearly as well as Isshikis true form.
Doesn't matter
Cinematic time + it still appears almost instantly in the anime
cinematic time usefull if Kawaki wasn't massively inferior to Ishiki and was trying to free himself while Jigen was placing it, Carol is actually as fast as Ishiki that "cinematic time" for her would be just as much as it was from Ishiki's perspective, if not more if the is amped by passively absorbing energy.
He has a far higher lifting strength (class M vs class G) which is used for grappling and similar stuff. Isshiki even massively upscales from the value.

We don't know but we do know it didn't take a long time.
Anyways I have been trying to remain neutral only on the defensive but you are all assuming she would remained stopped in place, I will remind you Ishiki has a limited range that his ability to summon rods, if she is in range for him to use it then she is in range to punch him in the face with her 2 times ap.
 
if she is in range for him to use it then she is in range to punch him in the face with her 2 times ap
And if she does that, he'll shrink his body to evade the attack. Similar to what he does with naruto and sasuke, and dont say "he's faster tho", cuz whats stopping him from doing that against a foe just as fast as him as someone as skilled as he is. He isnt exactly dumb here. She also will not be catching a user of the byakugan offguard, nor is she escaping his sight as the byakugan is in his capabilities.
 
He can keep up. The guy has acess to the byakugan which can track foe's movements by their energy. Flight doesnt matter when you're fighting against someone who can do the same, especially when they have abilities dedicated ro track ur existence.
Keeping up is not the problemm The cubes are still limited by the speed of gravity.
That's true. But isshiki has more than just stabbing vital organs. What about getting flattened by a huge cube or a huge pole. She doesnt have regen to recover from that.
Her regeneration is at least as much as Wolverine who can recover from just bones, and nothing stops her from using her blasts to destroy the cubes.
Could u please explain what's going on in that scan? Im clueless lol, im not good with marvel comics.
She was pierced by multiple spikes from an entity much stronger than Ishiki while her powers were being absorbed and she still just left it and regenerated.
They really dont. I dont understand why this is being argued either, its like comparing apples and oranges, they're similar due to the fact they "paralyze" the enemy but how? and in what form? These are what really matter here.
It matters that she has resistance to paralysis.
Jigen and isshiki are two different individuals here. Isshiki rn has a different objective on the line in this match with nothing stopping him from what he wants to do especially with SBA rules. Also idk if u saw but david posted a scan earlier of jigen using rods to target his head.
Jigen is completely controlled by Ishiki, they may have slightly different powers but it's the same personality and person. And those are rods he throws from his hand to his head which is not possible if he could see it, also he very much survived with a worse regeneration.
How? The cubes are spawning above her that cover dozens of meters and will advance at her location at the same speed she flies, the only difference is that these weapons are size magnified lol.
Do you know that to crush someone you need 2 surfaces that cannot be moved, the time it takes for those to reach the ground is how much time she has to escape in an aerial fight dozens, hundreds of meters up in the air that's an eternity.
Do they compare or surpass naruto's whole verse in taijutsu format tho? All that said but could mean nothing if it aint superior.
How so? Telling me that combat experience doesnt matter? Because that's basically a component of skill which can change the battleground of opposing teams based on the fact they have dealt with more dangerous foes..... Experienece is what also makes one hones their skills which is seen irl and in fiction.... and isshiki has 1k+ years of that.
Ishiki's experience for most of his life that we know of is completely overwhelm people with sheer power, he also considers humans inferior life forms so why are you assuming he somehow learned any marcial arts the humans have? Kree are a very old race governed by fighting that increases their power by fighting and she has the genetic knowledge of a Kree warrior likely her mother's which was considered a champion among that race, she actually has statements of having knowledge in multiple marcial arts, all Ishiki has is a bunch of assumptions based on his age. She actually has battle experience Ishiki has an assumed battle knowledge on a planet where he is many levels above the strongest there are.
Please do hint the parts in my arguments that cover how "its just a speed difference" as I believe i didnt have anything relating to speed but isshiki's own abilities and uses lol.
The parts where you are assuming he can do 300 techniques before Carol even does anything.
Stealth from isshiki covers this.

Ishiki's stealth is based on his size and speed being really hard to fight against, none of those apply to this fight she can see him and keep up with his speed.
That only worked with karma jigen. On the profile it states partial otsuktsuki mode now blitzes him with them. + this is a perception speed feat ur mentioning, how ironic. They're equalised in this match
Again speed difference, how many times did Ishiki managed to hit Naruto Baryon mode with his rods or his size? None because gap doesn't exist anymore.
In what way? The posion doesnt drain energy from the foes body? Nor is it metal, or even solid. What they do make them similar, but how they achieve it is far different. Thats not how close similarities work
It was poison from the fangs of a snake, and if you had paid attention you would have seen absorbing her power doesn't work.
 
And if she does that, he'll shrink his body to evade the attack. Similar to what he does with naruto and sasuke, and dont say "he's faster tho", cuz whats stopping him from doing that against a foe just as fast as him as someone as skilled as he is. He isnt exactly dumb here. She also will not be catching a user of the byakugan offguard, nor is she escaping his sight as the byakugan is in his capabilities.
Again argument based on speed gap, and being small doesn't make him somehow immune to attacks, she can see him she can attack him even when he is small.
 
Aside the fact that she doesn't have chakra
I mean if we're not equalizing energies then she also just outright can't absorb chakra either. Since chakra isn't magic or electricity or whatever. So she has no way of resisting Isshiki transmitting his chakra into her body.
those rods can be overpowered by sheer power as seen by Naruto when he turned into Kurama during Pain Arc and when Jigen used it on Naruto he just summoned Kurama's chakra and completely overpowered it,
Because it was Naruto who was paralyzed. Not Kurama. And it was Kurama who destroyed them.
there is laso Naruto completely pierced by them by the end of the fight and still could use clone jutsu to save sasuke and to fight Jigen.
Naruto has been resistant to their paralysis as long ago as pain arc.
Also Those Rods won't be able to drain anything because she just would absorb everything back while absorbing sun's power to become even stronger.
That doesn't make them incapable of draining anything tho.
Doesn't matter
You said nothing implies there's difference between them and I pointed out a major difference. It absolutely does matter 💀.
cinematic time usefull if Kawaki wasn't massively inferior to Ishiki and was trying to free himself while Jigen was placing it,
Isshiki literally held Kawaki by the neck and shit talked him in the anime. That's the only reason it took a bit longer. In the manga he straight up grabbed him and instantly gave him karma.
Carol is actually as fast as Ishiki that "cinematic time" for her would be just as much as it was from Ishiki's perspective, if not more if the is amped by passively absorbing energy.
Yeah so it would be as instantaneous as it was with Isshiki. Like you literally have 0 arguments for why it would take long and the manga outright shows it instantly.
Anyways I have been trying to remain neutral only on the defensive but you are all assuming she would remained stopped in place, I will remind you Ishiki has a limited range that his ability to summon rods, if she is in range for him to use it then she is in range to punch him in the face with her 2 times ap.
Carol needs to attack Isshiki at close range because he straight up just shrinks all of her energy projectiles like he did with Narutos rasengans. And the moment they're close she's getting porcupined with rods and choked + karma-ed.
 
I mean if we're not equalizing energies then she also just outright can't absorb chakra either. Since chakra isn't magic or electricity or whatever. So she has no way of resisting Isshiki transmitting his chakra into her body.
She has absorbed gamma which is 1-A meaning she has 1-A energy absortion, it works for everything.
Because it was Naruto who was paralyzed. Not Kurama. And it was Kurama who destroyed them.
Not it wasn't, Kurama doesn't have a body, Kurama just gave him chakra.
Naruto has been resistant to their paralysis as long ago as pain arc.
Because of sheer power.
That doesn't make them incapable of draining anything tho.
It makes it yes as I said above 1-A absortion
Isshiki literally held Kawaki by the neck and shit talked him in the anime. That's the only reason it took a bit longer. In the manga he straight up grabbed him and instantly gave him karma.
YOu acting as if Ishiki had enough time to shit chat he was dying, it took that time because he needs to activate it and put it on him.
Yeah so it would be as instantaneous as it was with Isshiki. Like you literally have 0 arguments for why it would take long and the manga outright shows it instantly.
the ,manga shows him struggling so yes it wasn't instantly.
Carol needs to attack Isshiki at close range because he straight up just shrinks all of her energy projectiles like he did with Narutos rasengans. And the moment they're close she's getting porcupined with rods and choked + karma-ed.
Ishiki is the one with a rush to get close to her, he shrinking her attack only makes him lose time and energy, also it would be a good test to see how long can he keep that up because she can keep a constant ray on him.
No, Isshiki controls the cubes and could even tag Narutos clones and Sasuke with them (although Sasuke probably teleported away)
So? He tagged them because Naruto wasn't looking above his head, and he was stuck on the ground.
 
Keeping up is not the problemm The cubes are still limited by the speed of gravity
That's true. It could pose a way to slow her down tho, as she'd be focused on dodging a handful of those cubes (as theyre pretty much a one shot if it hits) for isshiki to strike a main attack. He does this in character and it poses a very good stratergy.

Her regeneration is at least as much as Wolverine who can recover from just bones, and nothing stops her from using her blasts to destroy the cubes.
Her focusing on destroying them is another way to get distracted by isshiki and that's bad. Because with his versatile moveset he can strike another dura negging attack which paralyzes. There's no way around this. The guy has stratergy under his belt. That argument is a defeater.

She was pierced by multiple spikes from an entity much stronger than Ishiki while her powers were being absorbed and she still just left it and regenerated.
And why isnt this on her profile? Get that added rq cuz we cant come to a conclusion that she resists isshiki's rods based on the fact she resisted poison.
It matters that she has resistance to paralysis.
Yes in the form of poison bruh, not literal projectiles that nail you to the ground. If u want u can make a Q&A to confirm this because i believe the logic is hilarious and we're right anyway because this has been discussed in other versus threads like this and every other related thread with paralysis.

Jigen is completely controlled by Ishiki, they may have slightly different powers but it's the same personality and person
And so? Isshiki purposefully differ his acts from jigen which we can obviously see. Not everything jigen did isshiki did, they had different objectives and different reasons to fight foes.
which is not possible if he could see it,
How does that matter? U wanted confirmation that isshiki does this, sinxe u believe jigen and isshiki are the same personality, whats stopping him from doing the same.

also he very much survived with a worse regeneration.
In That scene, it was a shadow clone. I dont remember if he got a headshot as his real self and i doubt that.

Do you know that to crush someone you need 2 surfaces that cannot be moved
The ground cant move nor can it be moved..... once the cube and the ground connect with her becoming a sandwhich, she'll be its ketchup. I dont understand that point.

the time it takes for those to reach the ground is how much time she has to escape in an aerial fight dozens, hundreds of meters up in the air that's an eternity.
They were used as distractions in his battles, which will work just as fine here. Ive addressed this in my first sentence.

Ishiki's experience for most of his life that we know of is completely overwhelm people with sheer power
Sheer power is one bit he's also noted to be a very good fighter. And he isnt a nuke nor is he a "haha explode planet gg" typa guy, he's strictly a taijutsu user which naruto himself stated is impressive and otherworldly. This is false aswell due to the fact this guy went around eating fruits gaining knowledge along with power, we also know the otsuktsuki forms the vessels have are boosted by the combat experience from the otsuktsuki's (and its really impressive) themselves meaning they're not amauters to cqc so please dont spread misinformation.

he also considers humans inferior life forms so why are you assuming he somehow learned any marcial arts the humans have?
Human's dont nees to be the only species that invent martial arts.... they obviously have their own martial arts training which is why naruto even acknowledged it. We see this with both momoshiki and isshiki. This point is shaky.


she actually has statements of having knowledge in multiple marcial arts, all Ishiki has is a bunch of assumptions based on his age
Huhh?? They're all trained. That's all there is to it, why would kaguya know more martial arts than isshiki even tho she's lower ranked than him and even the otsuktsuki trio (urashiki, momoshiki and kinshiki)..... the knowledge she has comes from her expeditions, all she got from earth from chakra.. also there's no assumption.... the entire idea of vessels being able to channel their COMBAT EXPERIENCE validates it being highly notable lol. Another void point.

The parts where you are assuming he can do 300 techniques before Carol even does anything.
I didnt deny she can dodge his attacks or punch him once getting close or the fact she can literally absorb energy. (I like it how u agree that she can absorb power out of isshiki's rods when they're made of chakra but disagree that isshiki's rods can absorb her energy because she doesnt have chakra), isshiki just has many ways around these with his abilities. And sure he can commit 300 moves as the match starts, isshiki has danmaku like projectiles, and can use it similarly to how he destroyed a whole oasis to find kawaki. Im not wrong, he's that versatile. U believe carol can ignore paralysis due to the fact she die so to poison, whos the hyprocrite here really?

Ishiki's stealth is based on his size and speed being really hard to fight against, none of those apply to this fight she can see him and keep up with his speed.
He's able to use distraction moves such as his deadly cubes like i mentioined earliee to divert marvel's attention and use his size and speed (albeit equal) to sneak her. This isnt beyond his ability as its done in the manga.

It was poison from the fangs of a snake, and if you had paid attention you would have seen absorbing her power doesn't work.
It seemed to momentarily work. It also doesnt need to absorb her power, these rods are used on pressure points which enhances paralysis than what it already has
 
That's true. It could pose a way to slow her down tho, as she'd be focused on dodging a handful of those cubes (as theyre pretty much a one shot if it hits) for isshiki to strike a main attack. He does this in character and it poses a very good stratergy.
"Very good strategy"? Hardly but sure whatever, he could try but it hardly would slow her down.
Her focusing on destroying them is another way to get distracted by isshiki and that's bad. Because with his versatile moveset he can strike another dura negging attack which paralyzes. There's no way around this. The guy has stratergy under his belt. That argument is a defeater.
Hmmm, she can use blasts but she is not limited to blasts, omnidirectional attacks are a thing she can do

And why isnt this on her profile? Get that added rq cuz we cant come to a conclusion that she resists isshiki's rods based on the fact she resisted poison.
Because I don't need to, she has resistance to all the things on the scan already, I don't need nor could I possibly in a lifetime add the scans of every single time she absorbed or used used energy.
Yes in the form of poison bruh, not literal projectiles that nail you to the ground. If u want u can make a Q&A to confirm this because i believe the logic is hilarious and we're right anyway because this has been discussed in other versus threads like this and every other related thread with paralysis.
It's the all just paralysis inducement, "nail her to the ground" is not a different power, and paralysis being applied in different forms doesn't change anything that's like saying a poison from gas and injected to your body are completely different.
And so? Isshiki purposefully differ his acts from jigen which we can obviously see. Not everything jigen did isshiki did, they had different objectives and different reasons to fight foes.
The whole point is that Ishiki is controlling Jigen, again the only difference is the powers, and Ishiki doesn't have chakra absortion which is what he cant use in his true form but could in Jigen.
How does that matter? U wanted confirmation that isshiki does this, sinxe u believe jigen and isshiki are the same personality, whats stopping him from doing the same.
Again he never spawned one inside ones brain he throws it to him, and again he wants to keep her alive because dead bodies can't be used to place Karma.
The ground cant move nor can it be moved..... once the cube and the ground connect with her becoming a sandwhich, she'll be its ketchup. I dont understand that point.
She is known for barely setting foot on the ground how would he sandwhich her if every time she can just destroy it or fly away before the cube connects to the ground.
They were used as distractions in his battles, which will work just as fine here. Ive addressed this in my first sentence.
She is a trainned spy she doesn't take her eyes off the target, distractions don't help much either with omnidirectional attacks
Sheer power is one bit he's also noted to be a very good fighter. And he isnt a nuke nor is he a "haha explode planet gg" typa guy, he's strictly a taijutsu user which naruto himself stated is impressive and otherworldly. This is false aswell due to the fact this guy went around eating fruits gaining knowledge along with power, we also know the otsuktsuki forms the vessels have are boosted by the combat experience from the otsuktsuki's (and its really impressive) themselves meaning they're not amauters to cqc so please dont spread misinformation.
He just kicks the hell out of his opponents, when Naruto was actually fighting with similar speed to Ishiki in Baryon mode he was smaching him, and "very good fighter" doesn't hold against multiple marcial arts with tons of experience.
Human's dont nees to be the only species that invent martial arts.... they obviously have their own martial arts training which is why naruto even acknowledged it. We see this with both momoshiki and isshiki. This point is shaky.
Naruto himself was never a master of taijutsu himself, and I'm not saying he isn't a good fighter just that none of that indicates superiority to Carol.
Huhh?? They're all trained. That's all there is to it, why would kaguya know more martial arts than isshiki even tho she's lower ranked than him and even the otsuktsuki trio (urashiki, momoshiki and kinshiki)..... the knowledge she has comes from her expeditions, all she got from earth from chakra.. also there's no assumption.... the entire idea of vessels being able to channel their COMBAT EXPERIENCE validates it being highly notable lol. Another void point.
Kaguya actually connected with humans Ishiki did not, Kaguya was also not really a good fighter she most of the times was using a bunch of jutsu, there is nothing saying chakra fruit grants battle experience or even knowledge, just power that they can learn to use but they still have to train and master it.
I didnt deny she can dodge his attacks or punch him once getting close or the fact she can literally absorb energy. (I like it how u agree that she can absorb power out of isshiki's rods when they're made of chakra but disagree that isshiki's rods can absorb her energy because she doesnt have chakra), isshiki just has many ways around these with his abilities. And sure he can commit 300 moves as the match starts, isshiki has danmaku like projectiles, and can use it similarly to how he destroyed a whole oasis to find kawaki. Im not wrong, he's that versatile. U believe carol can ignore paralysis due to the fact she die so to poison, whos the hyprocrite here really?
She can just absorb the rods itself since they are made of chakra if that's your problem, and I wasn't even saying he can't absorb her because she has no chakra just that he couldn't stop her from using because she doesn't have the chakra pathway to stop her from manipulating her energy like it does to chakra, but that's right he can absorb chakra not energy. Again who told you she is limited to just blasts? Or on the ground? Or that he can accurately use 200 projectiles hit her?
He's able to use distraction moves such as his deadly cubes like i mentioined earliee to divert marvel's attention and use his size and speed (albeit equal) to sneak her. This isnt beyond his ability as its done in the manga.
And he was also limited since his small size limited his abilities making him slower at absorting.
It seemed to momentarily work. It also doesnt need to absorb her power, these rods are used on pressure points which enhances paralysis than what it already has
Those rods cause paralysis because it stops them from using chakra at all because chakra pathways are their "pressure points", so much that Naruto even in base with many of those rods can still move and use chakra because he needs to nail the 64 points the hyuga do to completely stops them from using chakra. That's not something that applies to her, even if energy was equalized which makes no sense here (She absorbs any kind of energy are you equalizing sunlight,radiation, magic with chakra?) you can't equalize their body.
Well thats meaningless. Paralysis is still induced especially to pressure points, and i dont see a resistance to PP on her profile
It means she can absorb 4D types of energy, and since she has resistance to paralysis... Also I don't think there is anything like PP resistance Saitama was inaffected by garou's pressure point attacks and he doesn't have it, if there was she would have cuz, "Those are definitely Puncture wounds a lot of them"
And now isshiki negates that, his rods do more than just stab the opponent and paralysize them.
She is more powerful than him, same way Kurama's chakra was more powerful than his rods so he just took them out.
Resisting one type of paralysis definitely shouldn't grant a Resistance to EVERY way it can be applied
This is not a different way of applying because the means don't matter, the same injecting or smell gas is the same thing as long as both have similar layers, poison is an effect not a cause. It's like fear inducement it doesn't matter how it's done it's fear. And this is not a case where injecting or gas or rods have any significance since her resistance is because of her body metabolism not a specific thing that couldn't take effect if it was injected instead of going through air
 
She has absorbed gamma which is 1-A meaning she has 1-A energy absortion, it works for everything.
Nothing in her profile even remotely implies she's 1-A in anything, and that doesn't even matter. If we're not equalizing energy she can't absorb chakra.
Not it wasn't, Kurama doesn't have a body, Kurama just gave him chakra.
No? NARUTO was paralyzed and NARUTO couldn't knead chakra. KURAMAs chakra destroyed the rods. KURAMAS chakra is inside of the seal not inside Narutos pressure points.
Absolutely NOTHING even REMOTELY implies AP somehow allows you to negate the rods.
Because of sheer power.
Pure headcanon. Pain even had relative AP to sage Naruto and 6 tails Naruto so this doesn't even make sense.
It makes it yes as I said above 1-A absortion
What? The things you're saying don't make any sense.
YOu acting as if Ishiki had enough time to shit chat he was dying, it took that time because he needs to activate it and put it on him.
He really did. He was literally shit talking Kawaki in the anime for like 30 seconds before even grabbing his neck. Yeah he was dying but he thought he had his vessel captured and secured.
the ,manga shows him struggling so yes it wasn't instantly.
No it doesn't. He literally does it instantly in 1 panel.

Ishiki is the one with a rush to get close to her,
Not really, he has 2 days to live so he's not really in a hurry.
he shrinking her attack only makes him lose time and energy,
It really doesn't. He was literally toying with Koji when he only had 20 hours left. He even politely asked Konoha civilians in the village and toyed with Naruto and Sasuke with just 20 hours to live.
also it would be a good test to see how long can he keep that up because she can keep a constant ray on him.
He wouldn't need to since he could just shrink and dodge if necessary.
So? He tagged them because Naruto wasn't looking above his head, and he was stuck on the ground.
He tagged them because he can move the cubes however he wants with TK. Mind you again, he has the superior LS so if he crushes her it's over.
 
Nothing in her profile even remotely implies she's 1-A in anything, and that doesn't even matter. If we're not equalizing energy she can't absorb chakra.
Never said she was 1-A, the abilities have 1-A potency it's like have infinite layers of that ability.She can absorb any kind of energy even 4D energies so it doesn't matter if the energies are or not equalized.
No? NARUTO was paralyzed and NARUTO couldn't knead chakra. KURAMAs chakra destroyed the rods. KURAMAS chakra is inside of the seal not inside Narutos pressure points.
This is Boruto, Naruto doesn't have the seal. And Kurama uses the chakra through the chakra pathways.
Absolutely NOTHING even REMOTELY implies AP somehow allows you to negate the rods.
Everything does lol, Kakashi getting affected by the rods but Naruto sage could break them during the pain arc, Kurama's chakra leaking through the seal released Naruto from the rods in pain arc there are so many examples

Pure headcanon. Pain even had relative AP to sage Naruto and 6 tails Naruto so this doesn't even make sense.
AP is different from the rods themselves. Even more because there is difference when Nagato divided his power by each pain and when he was alone.
What? The things you're saying don't make any sense.
Again infinite layers of absortion for being able to absorb energies of 1-A potency
He really did. He was literally shit talking Kawaki in the anime for like 30 seconds before even grabbing his neck. Yeah he was dying but he thought he had his vessel captured and secured.
No it doesn't. He literally does it instantly in 1 panel.

And he was touching him the entire time, and 1 manga page doesn't mean instantly.
Not really, he has 2 days to live so he's not really in a hurry.
2 days seems a lot for you but Ishiki had about that same amount of time when he possessed Jigen and he ruched everything.
It really doesn't. He was literally toying with Koji when he only had 20 hours left. He even politely asked Konoha civilians in the village and toyed with Naruto and Sasuke with just 20 hours to live.
So I guess he wasn't actually trying to get the information about Kawaki's location with all those questions, he was avoiding fights.
He wouldn't need to since he could just shrink and dodge if necessary.
Again speed difference and remind you that shrinking reduces his abilities range and speed
He tagged them because he can move the cubes however he wants with TK. Mind you again, he has the superior LS so if he crushes her it's over.
They were clearly caught off guard, superior LS is only usable if he actually catches her and she still has the superior AP which again increases by the second, actually her LS increases too all her stats are increased with energy.
 
This is not a different way of applying because the means don't matter, the same injecting or smell gas is the same thing as long as both have similar layers, poison is an effect not a cause. It's like fear inducement it doesn't matter how it's done it's fear. And this is not a case where injecting or gas or rods have any significance since her resistance is because of her body metabolism not a specific thing that couldn't take effect if it was injected instead of going through air
I wont go back and forth with this. 3 people comfirmed that its unequalisable and u keep pushing it. My advice to u is simply to make a Q&A for this as i wont entertain this anymore.

She is more powerful than him, same way Kurama's chakra was more powerful than his rods so he just took them out.
David addresses this.

It means she can absorb 4D types of energy
It doesnt mean she can absorb chakra. It means she can absorb those energies she has absorbed. Aka the sunlight and nature energy around her according to u. Chakra just doesnt fall under that unless u compare their CRUCIAL similarities than it being a life force energy.

Also I don't think there is anything like PP resistance Saitama was inaffected by garou's pressure point attacks and he doesn't have it,
Why do ppl always resort to whataboutism. How does saitama relate to ms marvel here? The only objective truth is that, whatever abilities or resistance a character has in their respective verses should be on their profile and no nitpick for abilities to be used in versus matches while ignoring the standards on here.

paralysis because it stops them from using chakra at all because chakra pathways are their "pressure points
Incorrect, not all instances were these chakra rods induced into pressure points. He only did so in like 1-2 scenes as isshiki. Usually they are induced throughout anywhere on the body like the torso or limbs.

Kaguya actually connected with humans Ishiki did not, Kaguya was also not really a good fighter she most of the times was using a bunch of jutsu, there is nothing saying chakra fruit grants battle experience or even knowledge, just power that they can learn to use but they still have to train and master it.
None of that debunks what ive said..... Ur basically saying because no extracelestial being came from or has connection to earth, they shouldnt be trained in martial arts. This is clearly false in boruto, as we literally see elements of taijutsu with within some of the otsuktsuki we have so far. And yes, a chakra fruit would logically give combat knowledge, it copies the memories and information from everything on the planet before it began and current and puts all that into one fruit, meaning every event that has happened on the planet and the people absorbed are used.

And he was also limited since his small size limited his abilities making him slower at absorting.
Ok? Becoming slower at absorbing abilities doesnt affect and clearly didnt affect his movement speed, which is ultimately equal here. Isshiki as we know doesnt even have absorption abilities so this point is a whole lotta nothing.

Naruto himself was never a master of taijutsu himself, and I'm not saying he isn't a good fighter just that none of that indicates superiority to Carol.
What do you mean?? He's the God Of Shinobi not only because of strength but his advanced martial ability and knowledge which is needed to become a kage. And naruto is literally known for his taijtsu in the verse, thats how he matched and beat momoshiki.

He just kicks the hell out of his opponents, when Naruto was actually fighting with similar speed to Ishiki in Baryon mode he was smaching him, and "very good fighter" doesn't hold against multiple marcial arts with tons of experience.
This is just straight downplay. As jigen we literally see him using taijutsu, he's not a punch kick merchant and u know it. Ur ignoring the fact these guys are advanced in other abilities than strength. Strength isnt the only thing they have applicable which is what ur making this out to be, the literal profile suggestes that too.

Because I don't need to, she has resistance to all the things on the scan already
You will. None of us will come to a conclusion that resisting poison means u can resists isshiki's rods (it sounds hilarious). We'll be on the side they can paralyse her while you'll be the opposing, one to many. U can change that by making a crt but if u dont want to then that's fine.
 
I still dont see an argument of how carol is superior to isshiki in martial ability. "Downloading" multiple martial arts into her DNA is useless as a average ninja is trained in multiple martial arts and as we go up to the High Tiers of the verse, it simply outscales from a whole series.
 
I wont go back and forth with this. 3 people comfirmed that its unequalisable and u keep pushing it. My advice to u is simply to make a Q&A for this as i wont entertain this anymore.
None of them is actually a staff member their opinion hold as much weight as mine does.
David addresses this.
And he had no point, if I remember his point is Kurama did it for Naruto, which very clearly is not the case, not to mention Naruto using jutsu talking and moving in base mode, so what is gonna be the excuse now?
It doesnt mean she can absorb chakra. It means she can absorb those energies she has absorbed. Aka the sunlight and nature energy around her according to u. Chakra just doesnt fall under that unless u compare their CRUCIAL similarities than it being a life force energy.
It is actually good that you mention that is a life force because Captain Marvel can and did absorb Phoenix force which is in essence life energy which is also a 1-A energy and 4D.
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Why do ppl always resort to whataboutism. How does saitama relate to ms marvel here? The only objective truth is that, whatever abilities or resistance a character has in their respective verses should be on their profile and no nitpick for abilities to be used in versus matches while ignoring the standards on here.
I said that Saitama doesn't have presure point resistance because that doesn't exist, at best it's resistance to durability negation which by the way she already has because magic ignores durability. Also each verse as their own version of what pressure points can do so they don't get pressure points resistance but get paralysis resistance because it's one of the possible effects of pressure points.
Incorrect, not all instances were these chakra rods induced into pressure points. He only did so in like 1-2 scenes as isshiki. Usually they are induced throughout anywhere on the body like the torso or limbs.
You know they have chakra pathways all over their bodies that includes arms as you can see during Neji vs Hinata's fight, also they are affected by the rods simply by touching it, Pain himselfparalysed Naruto's chakra by placing the rods on his hands and no vital areas. In the very instance when he used on Naruto and Sasuke he wanted to paralyse them and seal them because how hard it was to kill them.
None of that debunks what ive said..... Ur basically saying because no extracelestial being came from or has connection to earth, they shouldnt be trained in martial arts. This is clearly false in boruto, as we literally see elements of taijutsu with within some of the otsuktsuki we have so far. And yes, a chakra fruit would logically give combat knowledge, it copies the memories and information from everything on the planet before it began and current and puts all that into one fruit, meaning every event that has happened on the planet and the people absorbed are used.
Not what I said, Carol herself has alien knowledge on marcial arts so why would I argue aliens don't have marcial arts? I said there is no mention to him having marcial arts from before coming to earth. Having elements of taijutsu doesn't make them comparable to others who actually have full knowledge on marcial arts. No they don't, thats your headcannon the fruits have DNA and energy that's what Amado stated the fruits have, no memories whatsoever.
And I don't know why you think that even matters the fact that she has marcial arts in her DNA could easily go back to the origin of the entire Kree race and all the marcial arts and combat knowledge they got since the beginning which for your information the Kree have around 6 000 000 years of existance with at least an entire galaxy of planets under their flag so do you want to compare 6M years of combat knowledge vs 1000 years of possibly fighting experience?
Ok? Becoming slower at absorbing abilities doesnt affect and clearly didnt affect his movement speed, which is ultimately equal here. Isshiki as we know doesnt even have absorption abilities so this point is a whole lotta nothing.
Becoming small slowed his absortion speed not his speed, that's what I said.
What do you mean?? He's the God Of Shinobi not only because of strength but his advanced martial ability and knowledge which is needed to become a kage. And naruto is literally known for his taijtsu in the verse, thats how he matched and beat momoshiki.
What the hell are you talking about? There is no such thing as requirement knowledge to become Hokage much less Marcial arts, if it was like that why isn't Gai the hokage instead of Kakashi or Tsunade? For matter of comparison both Sasuke and Sakura have higher taijutsu than Naruto in the Boruto databook cards so I guess since marcial arts decide the position then Sakura>>>>> Naruto.

This is just straight downplay. As jigen we literally see him using taijutsu, he's not a punch kick merchant and u know it. Ur ignoring the fact these guys are advanced in other abilities than strength. Strength isnt the only thing they have applicable which is what ur making this out to be, the literal profile suggestes that too
Never did I say that Jigen doesn't know taijutsu, all the times I explain that he having some unknown amount of taijutsu doesn't compare to someone who actually have statements of having knowledge. Being a 40 years old men with no marcial arts background doesn't make you better than a 20 years old that actually trainned marcial arts. Your argument is using age over actual marcial arts training which is meaningless.
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You will. None of us will come to a conclusion that resisting poison means u can resists isshiki's rods (it sounds hilarious). We'll be on the side they can paralyse her while you'll be the opposing, one to many. U can change that by making a crt but if u dont want to then that's fine.
It's not poison that gave her resistance to the rods, its resisting the paralysis of the poison that does.

I'm telling you that most of this discussing doesn't even matter any cube or rod that he throws at her will stop at her forcefields which are instinctive so she doesn't even need to conciously activate it.
 
I wont go back and forth with this. 3 people comfirmed that its unequalisable and u keep pushing it. My advice to u is simply to make a Q&A for this as i wont entertain this anymore.


David addresses this.


It doesnt mean she can absorb chakra. It means she can absorb those energies she has absorbed. Aka the sunlight and nature energy around her according to u. Chakra just doesnt fall under that unless u compare their CRUCIAL similarities than it being a life force energy.


Why do ppl always resort to whataboutism. How does saitama relate to ms marvel here? The only objective truth is that, whatever abilities or resistance a character has in their respective verses should be on their profile and no nitpick for abilities to be used in versus matches while ignoring the standards on here.


Incorrect, not all instances were these chakra rods induced into pressure points. He only did so in like 1-2 scenes as isshiki. Usually they are induced throughout anywhere on the body like the torso or limbs.


None of that debunks what ive said..... Ur basically saying because no extracelestial being came from or has connection to earth, they shouldnt be trained in martial arts. This is clearly false in boruto, as we literally see elements of taijutsu with within some of the otsuktsuki we have so far. And yes, a chakra fruit would logically give combat knowledge, it copies the memories and information from everything on the planet before it began and current and puts all that into one fruit, meaning every event that has happened on the planet and the people absorbed are used.


Ok? Becoming slower at absorbing abilities doesnt affect and clearly didnt affect his movement speed, which is ultimately equal here. Isshiki as we know doesnt even have absorption abilities so this point is a whole lotta nothing.


What do you mean?? He's the God Of Shinobi not only because of strength but his advanced martial ability and knowledge which is needed to become a kage. And naruto is literally known for his taijtsu in the verse, thats how he matched and beat momoshiki.


This is just straight downplay. As jigen we literally see him using taijutsu, he's not a punch kick merchant and u know it. Ur ignoring the fact these guys are advanced in other abilities than strength. Strength isnt the only thing they have applicable which is what ur making this out to be, the literal profile suggestes that too.


You will. None of us will come to a conclusion that resisting poison means u can resists isshiki's rods (it sounds hilarious). We'll be on the side they can paralyse her while you'll be the opposing, one to many. U can change that by making a crt but if u dont want to then that's fine.
1A is irrelevant if energy is not equalised buddy. She still can't absorb chakra.

Also what's stopping ishikki from sealing her or sending her to his frozen time dimension
 
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