[Marvel vs Naruto] Lauri-ell vs Code (0-0-0)

[karo_senpaii]

Not even sure Carol can deal with the rods speed even

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That only further supports my point, and that's actually bad for Carol

It means it activates even if she doesn't knew the attack is coming.

He can supress his aura to actually make himself undectectable as well, that's even worse for Carol. He can easly sneak up and then dura neg her

Suppress aura it's only useful if they are detecting chakra, Carol detects energy or just her vision allows her to see him with microscopic vision. So no he can't sneak up on her

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Not even sure Carol can deal with the rods speed even

Speed is equalized since the rods don't have a speed tiers it's assumed they travel as fast as the user

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

None of them is actually a staff member their opinion hold as much weight as mine does.

There's your answer. Ask a staff member.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Suppress aura it's only useful if they are detecting chakra, Carol detects energy or just her vision allows her to see him with microscopic vision. So no he can't sneak up on her

His stealth specializes in preventing from being seen...... even if she has the ability to see his body, his stealth mastery can evade such a thing and sneak her. Btw if she only detects unspecified "energy", she's not detecting a chakra user. That's not a defeater to his stealth.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Speed is equalized since the rods don't have a speed tiers it's assumed they travel as fast as the user

To be remotely dodged, she would need to be far faster than their baseline speed or be able to "detect" them before they hit similar to baryon mode. Detecting isnt possible as she cant detect chakra so she get's dura negged and paralyzed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Suppress aura it's only useful if they are detecting chakra, Carol detects energy or just her vision allows her to see him with microscopic vision. So no he can't sneak up on her

Verse Equilazation exists, so no, Carol can't detect Isshiki

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Verse Equilazation exists, so no, Carol can't detect Isshiki

And detecting isshiki is pretty much the only way u can get around his stealth. Sure she can see him if she's facing him head-on but when he decides to go stealth, she doesnt seem to have an answer.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

His stealth specializes in preventing from being seen...... even if she has the ability to see his body, his stealth mastery can evade such a thing and sneak her. Btw if she only detects unspecified "energy", she's not detecting a chakra user. That's not a defeater to his stealth.

She has stealth mastery too, and he can't detach from his body so he is stuck being visible to her.
She detects energy which can be anything even kinetic energy or electricity from brain synapses.

To be remotely dodged, she would need to be far faster than their baseline speed or be able to "detect" them before they hit similar to baryon mode. Detecting isnt possible as she cant detect chakra so she get's dura negged and paralyzed.

No they don't the rods are never stated to be faster than Ishiki himself nor do they have a "higher attack speed with rods".
Actually went to sew h for the paralyze and no it's not from pressure points, we see that when pain uses it on Kakashi, their ability to paralyse is the users chakra controlling the opponents chakra stopping them from moving as they wish, with enough rods they can just control the body completely which leads to complete paralysis, it's also the reason why it can be overpowered by sheer power if the character just overpowers the opponents control.
Also I will note that the black rods are a 2 way street which allows the others to localize the opponent because of their chakra connection, it also means Carol will absorb Ishiki's whole chakra if he uses a rod against her since she would instantly detect the energy located on the rod and the enemy.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Verse Equilazation exists, so no, Carol can't detect Isshiki

Captain marvel uses any kind of energy you can't equalize sunlight , heat, cosmic, electrical energy all of it with chakra. Verse equalization is used for similar kinds of energy like Haki, chakra, ki even magic as long as they are UES of some kind

 

[Lloydblitzed]

She has stealth mastery too, and he can't detach from his body so he is stuck being visible to her.

That won't help her

She detects energy which can be anything even kinetic energy or electricity from brain synapses.

Ain't working on Isshiki

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Captain marvel uses any kind of energy you can't equalize sunlight , heat, cosmic, electrical energy all of it with chakra. Verse equalization is used for similar kinds of energy like Haki, chakra, ki even magic as long as they are UES of some kind

Chakra has UES, that disprove your whole point, and still mean Carol can do absolutly nothing against Aura Supression + Sealth Mastery and then Dura neg

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That won't help her

Stealth won't help him either.

Ain't working on Isshiki

Again that's only for chakra he can't stop his brain synapses from being visible

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Chakra has UES, that disprove your whole point, and still mean Carol can do absolutly nothing against Aura Supression + Sealth Mastery and then Dura neg

Chakra does but Captain marvel doesn't, they need to be both UES to be equalized.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Stealth won't help him either.

Yes it will, Carol has 0 counter to his Aura supression

Again that's only for chakra he can't stop his brain synapses from being visible

Good luck trying to hit something she can't even detect

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Chakra does but Captain marvel doesn't, they need to be both UES to be equalized.

And? Chakra is still energy, so again, your logic fail

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yes it will, Carol has 0 counter to his Aura supression

Again she doesn't detect aura

And? Chakra is still energy, so again, your logic fail

Lol and so is electricity which is a different energy from chakra and he can't suppress that.

Good luck trying to hit something she can't even detect

She can see him through microscopic vision

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

She has stealth mastery too

And so? Having stealth on a stealth user doesnt mean u can ignore or better yet "resist" being stealth'd.

and he can't detach from his body so he is stuck being visible to her.

You do know the entire point of stealth is to evade the senses of other, right? Stop using this "sight" argument and start arguing how she can get around someone she cant sense. Like this is getting repetitive, being able to see him wont be enough, he's more versatile with stealth than just rushing someone.

She detects energy which can be anything even kinetic energy

Bruh why arent these crucial stuff on her profile. Its almost impeccible, like it only becomes known when u actually make a thread. Again that's not how it works on here.

or electricity from brain synapses.

Same as above.

No they don't the rods are never stated to be faster than Ishiki himself nor do they have a "higher attack speed with rods".

No.... im saying the only possible ways we've seen them be dodged and evaded are from characters that move far faster than these rods can expand in size. Since speed is equalized here, these rods expand just as fast as marvel's movement, she wont be able to detect them so her reaction will be heavily delayed towards them. She'll ultimately be struck by the dura neg.

Also I will note that the black rods are a 2 way street which allows the others to localize the opponent because of their chakra connection, it also means Carol will absorb Ishiki's whole chakra if he uses a rod against her since she would instantly detect the energy located on the rod and the enemy.

How can she absorb chakra again?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Again she doesn't detect aura

You aren't proving anything with that

Lol and so is electricity which is a different energy from chakra and he can't suppress that.

You clearly have 0 idea of how verse equalization works

She can see him through microscopic vision

Prove she has microscopic vision

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Lol and so is electricity which is a different energy from chakra and he can't suppress that.

Chakra literally covers all elements known including that. Meaning ultimately he wont be detected, even those who have sensory abilities along the lines of elements cant sense him. These are some Nlf arguments

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Prove she has microscopic vision

Her profile states she can see microscopic seams.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Chakra literally covers all elements known including that. Meaning ultimately he wont be detected, even those who have sensory abilities along the lines of elements cant sense him. These are some Nlf arguments

Real

She detects energy which can be anything even kinetic energy or electricity from brain synapses.

Where is it ever shown that Carol can absorb electricity from brain synapses? And even she could, I don't recall her even using that as a in-character move

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Her profile states she can see microscopic seams.

Ah ok

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

(I like it how u agree that she can absorb power out of isshiki's rods when they're made of chakra but disagree that isshiki's rods can absorb her energy because she doesnt have chakra)

Like i was far from wrong with this point

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

And so? Having stealth on a stealth user doesnt mean u can ignore or better yet "resist" being stealth'd.

She learned how to be a spy so she can detect other spies as such "resisting" stealth

You do know the entire point of stealth is to evade the senses of other, right? Stop using this "sight" argument and start arguing how she can get around someone she cant sense. Like this is getting repetitive, being able to see him wont be enough, he's more versatile with stealth than just rushing someone.

Are you kidding? Seeing a person is the main thing for most fights, she isn't blind why would she need any other form of senses if she can see him.

Bruh why arent these crucial stuff on her profile. Its almost impeccible, like it only becomes known when u actually make a thread. Again that's not how it works on here.

Brush it's on her profile she can sense energy sources. She needs to know those energy exist to absorb them.

Same as above.


No.... im saying the only possible ways we've seen them be dodged and evaded are from characters that move far faster than these rods can expand in size. Since speed is equalized here, these rods expand just as fast as marvel's movement, she wont be able to detect them so her reaction will be heavily delayed towards them. She'll ultimately be struck by the dura neg.

Sasuke who is inferior to speed reacted to them don't go making up your own headcannon.

How can she absorb chakra again?

As explained she can absorb any kind of energy even 1-A 4D energy and as you very well said chakra is a life energy and she can absorb Phoenix force which is life energy too

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

You aren't proving anything with that


You clearly have 0 idea of how verse equalization works

Prove she has microscopic vision

It seem I was the only one who actually read the rules of verse equalization.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Yes exactly. You can paralyze someone with fear, with electricity, with poison, straight up by breaking their spine, etc.
Just simply resisting one of them doesn't grant resistance to all forms of paralysis

Please do ask mods regarding this point.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Chakra literally covers all elements known including that. Meaning ultimately he wont be detected, even those who have sensory abilities along the lines of elements cant sense him. These are some Nlf arguments

Chakra can turn into all elements but chakra is not the elements itself. His synapses are still electricity.
No they aren't NLF she needs to detect energy to absorb them, and she clearly had scans saying she can detect energy

 

[Lloydblitzed]

She learned how to be a spy so she can detect other spies as such "resisting" stealth

What? How does that prove anything

Sasuke who is inferior to speed reacted to them don't go making up your own headcannon.

He clearly couldn't even react to Isshiki
And if your talking about this scene, he clearly saw it coming, Isshiki launched them slower then he usually do + he simply swaped place with Boruto to take the blows, that's not really Reaction Speed

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It seem I was the only one who actually read the rules of verse equalization.

Doesn't make sense for Carol to be able to absorb Chakra but not be affected by it

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

She learned how to be a spy so she can detect other spies as such "resisting" stealth

That's not how it works. Goku learned how to be a martial art doesnt mean he'll find out some martial ability foreign to an entirely different verse. You'd have to prove that she can sense stealth from someone comparable as as versatile as isshiki that isnt limited to just seeing him.

Are you kidding? Seeing a person is the main thing for most fights, she isn't blind why would she need any other form of senses if she can see him.

Because isshiki's stealth can get around those who can sense his presence or better yet see him...... and she wouldnt be able to punch him in a small state either.

Brush it's on her profile she can sense energy sources. She needs to know those energy exist to absorb them.

I dont see that in the keys used in this match. Its unusable if what i said is the case.

Sasuke who is inferior to speed reacted to them don't go making up your own headcannon.

So..?? He can boost his reaction speed with his many dojutsu starting from tomoe sharingan all the way up to EMS...... again this was as jigen. Isshiki completely blitzes him, and i like how ur making arguments regarding speed when they're equalised heree..... are you saying his rods are slower than himself? Because this point is downhard foolishness. Sasuke has stuff like IA and awareness along with a massive speed boost, idk how u compare her to that. She only gets stronger 'overtime'.

As explained she can absorb any kind of energy even 1-A 4D energy and as you very well said chakra is a life energy and she can absorb Phoenix force which is life energy too

Any kind of energy?? Argument dedicated to NLF i see? Chakra isnt just UES life energy, it applicable to mind, body and soul along with having a vast cover over all elements including those indigneous to itself.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What? How does that prove anything

How does it not?

He clearly couldn't even react to Isshiki
And if your talking about this scene, he clearly saw it coming, Isshiki launched them slower then he usually do + he simply swaped place with Boruto to take the blows, that's not really Reaction Speed

He clearly reacted, thought the fights with him.

Doesn't make sense for Carol to be able to absorb Chakra but not be affected by it

Jigen could absorb chakra while Naruto doesn't so he was not affected by chakra while being able to affect others with chakra.
It's very easy if you had Marvel Iceman here would you assume he is using chakra? Powers are different from UES one big example is Kisame he doesn't use chakra to breath under water he can because his body is constitution, it's the same thing Carol doesn't use a specific energy like Naruto who uses chakra, her constitution allows her to manipulate all kinds of energy. Simple as that.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Sui is basically saying that she can absorb any energy in fiction here. Quite literally said "any" just because she has 4D absorption. No, hell no, for this to work they'd need to have distinct and VERY similar energy maeup which i guarantee her energy cant compare to which i can argue well rn.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Jigen could absorb chakra while Naruto doesn't so he was not affected by chakra while being able to affect others with chakra.
It's very easy if you had Marvel Iceman here would you assume he is using chakra? Powers are different from UES one big example is Kisame he doesn't use chakra to breath under water he can because his body is constitution, it's the same thing Carol doesn't use a specific energy like Naruto who uses chakra, her constitution allows her to manipulate all kinds of energy. Simple as that.

Chakra can be used to control fire, electricity, wind, air, earth and water so no, she can get affected by chakra

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

it's the same thing Carol doesn't use a specific energy like Naruto who uses chakra, her constitution allows her to manipulate all kinds of energy. Simple as that.

So its confirmed hes standing on a NLF argument. Tbis is clear bias. Buddy on vsbw, manipluating energy is limited to energy you have maniplulated in ur lifetime, it doesnt stretch across verses. And even tho it does with verse equalization, you arent arguing from such rules but marvel's own versatilty in her own verse and stretching that across another which isnt how it works lol

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Chakra can be used to control fire, electricity, wind, air, earth and water so no, she can get affected by chakra

And then we have shinjutsu which are distinct reality warping powers that differ from those elements. Its been confirmed isshiki is a shinjutsu user, chakra is far distinct from just sunlight energy bud

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Btw one of us should call a mod to validate the paralysis argument. Im getting sick of going back and forth with that and its going nowhere

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That's not how it works. Goku learned how to be a martial art doesnt mean he'll find out some martial ability foreign to an entirely different verse. You'd have to prove that she can sense stealth from someone comparable as as versatile as isshiki that isnt limited to just seeing him.

That's literally how it works if you have a higher knowledge of marcial arts the opponents marcial arts can be handles by a more skilled one.

Because isshiki's stealth can get around those who can sense his presence or better yet see him...... and she wouldnt be able to punch him in a small state either.

Ishiki is not detected by chakra sensorial of Naruto, Sasuke could see Ishiki he only couldn't keep up with his speed he wasn't magically making himself invisible to the eyes, he was just invisible to the naked eye of a normal person or someone who is too slow to keep up.
She can punch him in a small state, he is still physical.

I dont see that in the keys used in this match. Its unusable if what i said is the case.

It's on her classic key and she has all the powers from her original Key as noted there.

So..?? He can boost his reaction speed with his many dojutsu starting from tomoe sharingan all the way up to EMS...... again this was as jigen. Isshiki completely blitzes him, and i like how ur making arguments regarding speed when they're equalised heree..... are you saying his rods are slower than himself? Because this point is downhard foolishness. Sasuke has stuff like IA and awareness along with a massive speed boost, idk how u compare her to that. She only gets stronger 'overtime'.

And that doesn't matter his perception ability scales to his FTL movement to which ishiki scales above. Are you saying that Carol's blast that travel kilometers almost instantly aren't faster than Ishiki? None of them have an higher speed for attack speed.

Any kind of energy?? Argument dedicated to NLF i see? Chakra isnt just UES life energy, it applicable to mind, body and soul along with having a vast cover over all elements including those indigneous to itself.

All of that you can say the same about marvel magic or life energy of the Phoenix force ect, which surprise she can absorb.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Sui is basically saying that she can absorb any energy in fiction here. Quite literally said "any" just because she has 4D absorption. No, hell no, for this to work they'd need to have distinct and VERY similar energy maeup which i guarantee her energy cant compare to which i can argue well rn.

By any I mean any that is relevant to this fight any energy more powerful than she has absorbed she won't be able to

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

And then we have shinjutsu which are distinct reality warping powers that differ from those elements. Its been confirmed isshiki is a shinjutsu user, chakra is far distinct from just sunlight energy bud

So you are saying shinjutsu can warp reality? That's so impressive it's almost really close to marvel magic (sarcasm) marvel magic has all the most absurd things from conceptual manipulation to abstract stuff reality warp is nothing. Just check the list. She can absorb 4D energy with a s#it ton of absurd powerful hax magic, Gamma and even cosmic energy which I guarantee you if you search you will find it pretty easily how absurd any of those are in relation to Shinjutsu