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First off, it's extremely strange that all street tiers are ranked at only Hypersonic via Elektra's bullet kicking feat depsite there being multiple Hypersonic+ and above calcs for street tiers being linked on the official page and specifically being performed by street tiers:
Despite their profiles having these ratings for these reasonings:
I'm aware it's likely these are simply outdated and no longer accepted calcs that haven't been removed from the verse's page yet, however it is still quite odd for someone to see all of these characters ranked at only Hypersonic on their profiles despite these calculations being linked on the verse page displaying blatantly higher speed feats.
However, my main gripe comes with the fact that members of the Fantastic Four, particularly Reed Richards and Sue Storm are ranked at Relativistic+ speed-wise due to Reed "moving only slightly below the speed of light" here as well as him and Sue dodging lasers at extremely close range on multiple occasions. At the same time, both of their AP ratings are ranked far below the likes of Spider-Man and other High 8-C characters who upscale massively from the 9-B+ and 8-C tiers. The problem here lies in the fact that when Spider-Man is consistently portrayed as physically superior at his peak to the likes of characters who are only 9-B+ to 8-C, he is also shown as being physically superior when it comes to speed as well. In fact, his superior speed over the 9-B+ to 8-C tiers is highlighted far more often than his strength edge is. Something our Spider-Man profile accepts already by noting that Spider-Man's "greatest attribute is his speed". This is also very blatantly shown against the Fantastic Four as well, and our profile also accepts that:
This will virtually effect pretty much every character who scales to a non-restrained Spider-Man or any character who is consistently shown to physically match members of the Fantastic Four in terms of speed. This does not affect the average "street tiers" such as Daredevil, Moon Knight, etc etc., though, as they are characters who are consistently either perception blitzed or are characters Spider-Man consistently holds heavily back against including in speed. Nothing much more else to say beyond that.
But yeah, in short, Spider-Man consistently is on par with the Fantastic Four in terms of speed, as well as having a multitude of explicit feats himself which support a Relativistic+ rating. If Reed, Sue, and virtually every other "middle tier" Marvel character can be upgraded to such due to one scan of Reed moving "slightly below the speed of light" and Sue dodging lasers at close range, then I don't see any reason for Spider-Man not to be upgraded to similar levels, who has far more of those showings than they do. Especially when they were all initially ranked at "Hypersonic" like Spider-Man and other street levelers were, while Spider-Man is explicitly upscaled as being "At least Hypersonic". That's about all, lol.
Agree: @Oliver_de_jesus @HenshinIntervention @Tonygameman, @That_moron2 @Da3ggman
Disagree:
Neutral:
Despite their profiles having these ratings for these reasonings:
I'm aware it's likely these are simply outdated and no longer accepted calcs that haven't been removed from the verse's page yet, however it is still quite odd for someone to see all of these characters ranked at only Hypersonic on their profiles despite these calculations being linked on the verse page displaying blatantly higher speed feats.
However, my main gripe comes with the fact that members of the Fantastic Four, particularly Reed Richards and Sue Storm are ranked at Relativistic+ speed-wise due to Reed "moving only slightly below the speed of light" here as well as him and Sue dodging lasers at extremely close range on multiple occasions. At the same time, both of their AP ratings are ranked far below the likes of Spider-Man and other High 8-C characters who upscale massively from the 9-B+ and 8-C tiers. The problem here lies in the fact that when Spider-Man is consistently portrayed as physically superior at his peak to the likes of characters who are only 9-B+ to 8-C, he is also shown as being physically superior when it comes to speed as well. In fact, his superior speed over the 9-B+ to 8-C tiers is highlighted far more often than his strength edge is. Something our Spider-Man profile accepts already by noting that Spider-Man's "greatest attribute is his speed". This is also very blatantly shown against the Fantastic Four as well, and our profile also accepts that:
It would be a frankly quite ridiculous assertion to suggest that the Fantastic Four's automatic security systems do not at the very least scale accordingly to their physical reactionary speed, if not upscale considerably. Why would you install a security system that operates several hundred times slower than you when it comes to spotting people trying to break into your house, let alone a several billion dollar skyscraper in NYC? This feat alone would very blatantly grant Spider-Man scaling to the Fantastic Four's Relativistic+ speed rating. However, there are several other instances of Spider-Man blatantly physically outspeeding the likes of Reed, Sue, Johnny, and Ben, and other accepted Relativistic+ characters in terms of speed:
- Spider-Man is too fast for Dr. Doom's sensors
- Blitzes and webs Reed's eyes before he can react
- Sue and Johnny both cannot catch Spidey, literally in the first issue of Amazing Spider-Man ever published.
- Spider-Man dodges blows from Dr. Doom in his first ever fight with him.
- Dodges attacks from an angry Human Torch.
- Perception blitzes and kicks Reed straight in the stomach during Civil War.
- Dances around and knocks back a "strangely angry" Thing
- Is able to blitz and catch Joe Fix-It Hulk off-guard
- Capable of narrowly avoiding Lightmaster's explicitly stated light-speed attacks despite them being faster than him overall.
- Superior Spider-Man, who is Otto using Peter's body without holding back, did the same before only eventually being tagged.
- "Twisted his body" narrowly just in time to avoid Dazzler's light beams, who herself has light-speed reactions, and explicitly states in this very instance that she moves at light-speed.
- Dazzler later states that she hasn't seen anyone move as fast as Spider-Man. Again, despite having light-speed reactions.
- Outpaced "microwave blasts" from a somewhat close range from Firestar. Firestar's powers are based around manipulating waves from Earth's electromagnetic field and manipulating microwave energy.
- Dodged lasers from Chance at somewhat close range (Accepted feat)
- Jumped a considerable height from a car to leap over a laser fired by a Sentinel, therefore moving a considerably comparable distance to said laser in the same timeframe.
- Leaped where his Spider-Sense warned him to go to in order to avoid lasers being fired at him from all directions. However, the final panel in this scan has Peter stating that "he can twist and turn only so many ways" and that there is "danger coming from everywhere at once", implying that him aim-dodging is not enough and that there are lasers that require some form of reaction time for him to dodge.
This will virtually effect pretty much every character who scales to a non-restrained Spider-Man or any character who is consistently shown to physically match members of the Fantastic Four in terms of speed. This does not affect the average "street tiers" such as Daredevil, Moon Knight, etc etc., though, as they are characters who are consistently either perception blitzed or are characters Spider-Man consistently holds heavily back against including in speed. Nothing much more else to say beyond that.
But yeah, in short, Spider-Man consistently is on par with the Fantastic Four in terms of speed, as well as having a multitude of explicit feats himself which support a Relativistic+ rating. If Reed, Sue, and virtually every other "middle tier" Marvel character can be upgraded to such due to one scan of Reed moving "slightly below the speed of light" and Sue dodging lasers at close range, then I don't see any reason for Spider-Man not to be upgraded to similar levels, who has far more of those showings than they do. Especially when they were all initially ranked at "Hypersonic" like Spider-Man and other street levelers were, while Spider-Man is explicitly upscaled as being "At least Hypersonic". That's about all, lol.
Agree: @Oliver_de_jesus @HenshinIntervention @Tonygameman, @That_moron2 @Da3ggman
Disagree:
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