- 11,807
- 7,371
So the Human Torch has a bunch of issues present on his file, namely tiering-based, so let's get on with it.
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I actually want a calc member to go through this one, actually, since besides my points this one feels sus regardless. Anywho I have the following gripes with this calc:
So if anyone's up, I need said blog adapted with a better feat.
Human Torch
The Human Torch is a fictional character, a superhero that appears in comic books published by Marvel Comics. He is a founding member of the Fantastic Four. A similar, unrelated character of the same name and powers had been created in 1939 by writer-artist Carl Burgos for Marvel Comics'...
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Human Torch's Low 6-B calc
Now we move on to issue #4. Johnny creates a tornado that carries Namor and the carcass of his sea monster from NYC to the deepest part of the ocean (Marianas Trench):
http://i.imgur.com/mB8q6Gh.jpg
In a much later issue, Johnny revealed that he could keep his powers activated for 20 minutes at most (it was probably earlier way back here, but I'll use 20 minutes to be conservative). He would have had to spend at most 10 minutes getting there and 10 minutes going back, or else his flame would have worn out over the ocean and he would have fallen in. I already calculated the distance in the FF thread using the latlong calculator: 13,120 km. Traveling this in 10 minutes equals a speed of 21.86666667 km/s, or Mach 64.25891641. He also carried the monster and Namor in the tornado at this speed. The size of the monster was a bit inconsistent, but I can scale it from this scan:
I'll start by scaling the torso of this guy in the lifeboat. According to this article, the average height of an American man in 1962 (the year this issue came out) was 68.3 inches (1.73482 m). The torso and head are 45% of the body height, so I measured 0.780669 m. Using this to scale the width of the lifeboat, I got 1.67371137 m. You can see the lifeboats on the deck of the ship in the earlier panel, and using this I measured the width of the ship towards the aft at 57.66955166 m. Using the middle panel to scale again, I got the height of the monster's head as a whopping 2.67202256 km (and this is a lowball, since it was in the background).
I scaled the creature's total length as 14.20141297 km:
Estimating its volume as a cone (inaccurate but it's the best I could think of), I get 26,544,859,100 m^3.
Assuming its density is around the same as a human body (probably a lowball - this thing's flesh remained largely intact after a nuke went off inside it), at 1062 kg/m^3 I get a mass of 2.819064037e13 kg. I can't find an easy way to scale them, but taking the creature's limbs into account I figure we can add 10% to that (lowball), to get 3.10097044e13 kg. Now the entire tornado was moving, so I'll scale that too. Treating it as a conical frustum (approximating the scaling here, as the whole thing isn't on-panel), I get the following figures:
Base diameter: 3.630854646 km
Top diameter: 11.44408614 km
Height = 15.16686115 km
Using the calculator, I get a volume of 737,362,387,000 m^3. Subtracting the volume of the monster + 10% of that for the limbs (and ignoring Namor, because despite the perspective oddity in the scan, his mass would be negligible), we get 708,163,042,000 m^3. Using average density of atmosphere at sea level, that equals a mass of 1.048081302e12 kg. Adding that to the mass of the monster, the total is 3.20577857e13 kg. Accelerating that to a speed of 21.86666667 km/s gives us a KE of 7.664232928e21 j, or 1.831795633 teratons. Nice.
http://i.imgur.com/mB8q6Gh.jpg
In a much later issue, Johnny revealed that he could keep his powers activated for 20 minutes at most (it was probably earlier way back here, but I'll use 20 minutes to be conservative). He would have had to spend at most 10 minutes getting there and 10 minutes going back, or else his flame would have worn out over the ocean and he would have fallen in. I already calculated the distance in the FF thread using the latlong calculator: 13,120 km. Traveling this in 10 minutes equals a speed of 21.86666667 km/s, or Mach 64.25891641. He also carried the monster and Namor in the tornado at this speed. The size of the monster was a bit inconsistent, but I can scale it from this scan:
I'll start by scaling the torso of this guy in the lifeboat. According to this article, the average height of an American man in 1962 (the year this issue came out) was 68.3 inches (1.73482 m). The torso and head are 45% of the body height, so I measured 0.780669 m. Using this to scale the width of the lifeboat, I got 1.67371137 m. You can see the lifeboats on the deck of the ship in the earlier panel, and using this I measured the width of the ship towards the aft at 57.66955166 m. Using the middle panel to scale again, I got the height of the monster's head as a whopping 2.67202256 km (and this is a lowball, since it was in the background).
I scaled the creature's total length as 14.20141297 km:
Estimating its volume as a cone (inaccurate but it's the best I could think of), I get 26,544,859,100 m^3.
Assuming its density is around the same as a human body (probably a lowball - this thing's flesh remained largely intact after a nuke went off inside it), at 1062 kg/m^3 I get a mass of 2.819064037e13 kg. I can't find an easy way to scale them, but taking the creature's limbs into account I figure we can add 10% to that (lowball), to get 3.10097044e13 kg. Now the entire tornado was moving, so I'll scale that too. Treating it as a conical frustum (approximating the scaling here, as the whole thing isn't on-panel), I get the following figures:
Base diameter: 3.630854646 km
Top diameter: 11.44408614 km
Height = 15.16686115 km
Using the calculator, I get a volume of 737,362,387,000 m^3. Subtracting the volume of the monster + 10% of that for the limbs (and ignoring Namor, because despite the perspective oddity in the scan, his mass would be negligible), we get 708,163,042,000 m^3. Using average density of atmosphere at sea level, that equals a mass of 1.048081302e12 kg. Adding that to the mass of the monster, the total is 3.20577857e13 kg. Accelerating that to a speed of 21.86666667 km/s gives us a KE of 7.664232928e21 j, or 1.831795633 teratons. Nice.
- This is in NO WAY representative of his "regular attacks", as when the absolute hell have we accepted "Human Torch rushing to make a tornado" as standard
- Regarding Giganto's size derived:
- So I want the subtext with each point, that we're talking "14 kilometers big". Giganto lives up to his name of being gigantic, yes, but "14 kilometers" gigantic?
- This feat is happening in Manhattan, so let's real quick note the dimensions of Manhattan: "Manhattan Island is 22.7 square miles (59 km2) in area, 13.4 miles (21.6 km) long and 2.3 miles (3.7 km) wide, at its widest (near 14th Street)." This means at 14 kilometers, Giganto needs to only scoot a bit to the left, and travel HALF his length, to destroy all of Manhattan. You can read the issue, this isn't what actually ends up happening.
- In general I think except for one or two panels nothing in the entire comic comes close to 14 kilometers
- We just straight up get the height of the Tornado, it's 1k feet, or 0.3 kilometers, and said tornado can accommodate for the entire height of the Giganto with PLENTY of room to spare. Maybe hyperbolic, but as said except for a few panels Giganto comes nowhere close to 14 kilometers
- No, Human Torch didn't travel to Mariana Trench for no real reason, to dump down Namor. You're taking a basic hyperbole, hell a very common one even, at its absolute face value, it could've been any nearby trench, such as the Milwaukee Depth, which is of comparable depth and a thirteenth of a distance away.
Human Torch's 5-B calc
This is actually moreso an annoyance to me, the calc blog we use is absolute garbage, using a ridiculous scan (Human Torch needing to go supernova in the ocean for no apparent reason) and lists an overtime yield to confuse users.So if anyone's up, I need said blog adapted with a better feat.
