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(bleargh indeed) If it's the 1 trillion lightyears statement, that's not really the size of the universe but should be the minimum
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Marvel Comics: The Infinite Universe
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This “Crunch" seems to establish an edge to the universe, but is also supposedly outside the universe and connected to the extra-dimensional negative zone
Which could be a case of Source wall stuff here
Corrections would be appreciated
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And would this completely debunk the size of the universe with Marvel still claiming the universe has an edge with being called infinite?
And also, why not assume that this structure is as (supposedly) infinite as the universe?
Of course, could be hyperbole/flowery language, but should be a consideration that maybe the crunch isnt a cut through debunk to the universes size?
And also, why not assume that this structure is as (supposedly) infinite as the universe?
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To me it seems like comparatively very weak evidence and rule of cool allegorical hyperbole writing styles.
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A border extremely heavily implies finite restraints, and would have to be explicitly explained to be of literally infinite size for us to consider such speculations as remotely valid, especially given that a later major event (The Reckoning War) also established that the Marvel universe was 90% smaller than it used to be due to being devastated by a cosmic war.
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The Starbrand said that from his position (Earth) he could see a trillion light years away, and since the Earth is the center of the observable universe (in Marvel too I believe) the trillion light years would be the radius of the universe and therefore the minimum diameter would be 2 trillion light years.
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Okay. That seems fine to me. Thank you for the information.
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So, when do we interpret the universe as finite and when as infinite?
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Well, feats for travelling within the populated part only should make it finite, whereas the entire space-time continuum itself should be infinite.
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That sounds alright to me
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Seems good
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Thank you. We seem to likely have reached an agreement here then.
So would something like the following draft text be acceptable to add to our Marvel Comics verse page? And if so, would somebody here be willing to embed links to the relevant scans within it afterwards please?
"We consider the part of the Marvel universe that is possible for characters to travel within to have been proven to be finite, and to at the very least have a radius of 1 trillion lightyears.
This is due to that it has very explicitly been established to have a border called The Crunch, to have a center that Thanos was once transported to after being deprived of a cosmic cube, and to have been reduced to 1/10th of its original size during the Reckoning War storyline.
However, given the many, but unproven and recurrently likely allegorical, statements regarding that the entirety of the universe as a whole is infinite, we consider the complete universal space-time continuum to be literally endless in all spatial directions."
(I may have forgotten the exact established size above, so feel free to correct it in that case.)
So would something like the following draft text be acceptable to add to our Marvel Comics verse page? And if so, would somebody here be willing to embed links to the relevant scans within it afterwards please?
"We consider the part of the Marvel universe that is possible for characters to travel within to have been proven to be finite, and to at the very least have a radius of 1 trillion lightyears.
This is due to that it has very explicitly been established to have a border called The Crunch, to have a center that Thanos was once transported to after being deprived of a cosmic cube, and to have been reduced to 1/10th of its original size during the Reckoning War storyline.
However, given the many, but unproven and recurrently likely allegorical, statements regarding that the entirety of the universe as a whole is infinite, we consider the complete universal space-time continuum to be literally endless in all spatial directions."
(I may have forgotten the exact established size above, so feel free to correct it in that case.)
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In terms of space yes.
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Yes, but I think that we need to explicitly spell it out to avoid misunderstandings.
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No, in terms of time. I meant infinite not as in ever growing.
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So how about this modified version then?
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Ya timeline is infinite by default, I am aware. B
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That's not intended at all, that's made up, the universe refers to the same when it's claimed to be infinite and when it's proven to have limits. The claims of it being infinite don't refer to spatial directions w/o places & matter in them. Its edges, centers, and other limited uses of it don't refer to the limits where there are no more places & matter in the universe, they refer to the universe/all space.
Either the universe is finite, it's infinite, or we acknowledge both takes, that's what we can conclude from the information we have.
- The Universe is believed to be Boundless | Fantastic Four (1998) Annual 2001
"Our universe -- thought to be boundless. But... As with all things there is/was an end. (He said that at the edge of Eternity) In response, Eternity was created. And where one Eternity would ensure a boundless universe-- --A Multi-Eternity would ensure a boundless multiverse."
The universe always has an end/limit, Eternity always makes it boundless by continuously increasing its limits. One thing doesn't remove the other, otherwise there wouldn't be people who wrongly thought the universe to be boundless and it wouldn't have an end to their present.
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Well, I still maintain all of my arguments earlier in this thread regarding the part of the universal continuum that characters can travel in to be much more convincingly proven to be finite. However, I have no problem with compromising by stating that the spatial directions continue to infinity beyond that.
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But eternity is created, so a boundless universe is possible. At the start, it was not possible, since everything has an endpoint.
This does not really contradict anything. The universe was finite, but now, thanks to Eternity, is infinite.
This does not really contradict anything. The universe was finite, but now, thanks to Eternity, is infinite.
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They are at the beginnings of all things (as the scan says), ie the beginning of time, when Eternity was created. Who thought the universe to be boundless at the beginning of time? Nobody, because sentient living beings came later, then they thought the universe to be boundless, and were wrong, as it says there. The "is" in "There is/was an end" can also be taken in as "in the present", after Eternity was created to make the universe boundless, if so meaning that in the present there is an end to the universe even far after Eternity made it boundless.
It's not easy to get at first.
It's not easy to get at first.
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Alright, this makes sense then
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Make Sense
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So how do you think that we should adjust the wording of my suggestion more specifically?
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I saw all pieces of evidence and asked questions that I had doubt about it, and I am still in favor of giving low 1-C.
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Low 1C........ Huh?
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Wait what? Where did Low 1-C come from? How do you obtain Low 1-C out of an infinite-sized universe?
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