Marvel Comics: Minor Hulks Addition

[Excellence616]

Rage Power is not only an ability for Hulk, all Hulks can do the same, so:

Red She Hulk

Varies up to Planet level, far higher with Rage Power

Skaar

Varies from 3-C up to High 3-A, higher with the Old Power, far higher with Rage Power, even higher with Rage Power and Old Power

Like father like son

---

---

Red Hulk

As for Red Hulk, he wouldn't be getting Rage Power as an amp but would be listed as an ability for him but he would get:

Varies, usually 5-B, up to 3-C, far higher with Absorption as He can get stronger when absorbing energy. (Hulk Vol 2 12)

• Rage Power: By getting angry enough, he burnt a virus inserted into hid body by using the heat he generated through his anger (Avengers: X-Sanction #3-4)

• Another weakness: He can get use Rage Power but instead of getting stronger, he gets hotter and weaker (Hulk Vol 2. #6)

• Resistance to Disease: He can burn out Techno-Organic virus inserted into him by Cable (Avengers: X-Sanction #3-4).

Red Hulk would have gotten Resistance to Transformation, Transmutation and Corrosion if i could get my hands on the scan of the effects of Techno-Organic virus.

 

[Excellence616]

Bump

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Proposals look good.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should be fine yeah

 

[Theglassman12]

Looks ok

 

[Starter_Pack]

This looks fine.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm ok with the additions.

 

[Elizhaa]

The changes look fine.

 

[Excellence616]

I have apply the changes.

Thank you all for helping out

This thread can be closed

 

[Antvasima]

Hello.

Why did you give She-Hulk and "up to 5-B" rating rather than making it her starting value? She is officially much stronger than The Thing even when calm, and the red Hulks do not have rage power as far as I am aware. They just absorb energy.

As far as I am aware only Hulk, She-Hulk, and possibly Skaar increase their power in proportion to their emotions.

 

[Excellence616]

Hello.

Why did you give She-Hulk and "up to 5-B" rating rather than making it her starting value? She is officially much stronger than The Thing even when calm,

and the red Hulks do not have rage power as far as I am aware. They just absorb energy.

As far as I am aware only Hulk, She-Hulk, and possibly Skaar increase their power in proportion to their emotions.

Her Savage form key significantly stronger than The Thing because she was amped by a celestial) while her Sensational key is at least comparable to Thing (this was after her training).



Rage Power is an ability all Hulks has and can use.

It's an ability that all Hulk possesses including Red Hulk. The only difference is that Red Hulk can amp himself with Rage but only use it to increase his heat which he can use as an advantage. To much of Rage Power from Red Hulk would make him hotter, dizzy and weak and unlike Banner Hulk who can get stronger to Infinite levels of power, other Hulk have a limit to how much stronger they can get. Skaar is the only one whose rage power is next to Hulk



Overall since they all depends on rage, they should automatically vary.

 

[Antvasima]

She-Hulk's base standard form is officially rated as significantly stronger than The Thing while calm in the Marvel handbooks, and she effortlessly lifted his maximum weight with a single arm while her strength was heavily restrained by a "Jupiter suit", and you were not allowed to edit her page in the first page based on this revision.

Setting her maximum strength level as a mere 5-B, when she is supposed to be considerably more powerful than Red She-Hulk, and reducing her power level to extremes when that revision was not even covered here seems very dishonest. She was already rated far too low as far as I am concerned.

And if you want to use outliers as a basis for it, Thor has been shot and rendered unconscious by a regular 9-C rifle, just to name one of many examples, so it doesn't work that way.

I am quite certain that the red Hulks do not have rage power/emotion-enhanced power levels, unless it has been retconned in by writers after Jeph Loeb and Greg Pak handled them. They can absorb energy and generate heat, and that's it. All Hulks are not the same, and you need to provide far more convincing evidence than you have here in order to insert this ability for them.

 

[Antvasima]

Also, burning away technology is not the same as being almost immune to biological infections.

 

[Excellence616]

She-Hulk's base standard form is officially rated as significantly stronger than The Thing while calm in the Marvel handbooks, and she effortlessly lifted his maximum weight with a single arm while her strength was heavily restrained by a "Jupiter suit", and you were not allowed to edit her page in the first page based on this revision.

Setting her maximum strength level as a mere 5-B, when she is supposed to be considerably more powerful than Red She-Hulk, and reducing her power level to extremes when that revision was not even covered here seems very dishonest. She was already rated far too low as far as I am concerned.

She is already far more powerful than Red She Hulk, nothing changes. Rage Power was added as her power is also dependent on rage.

And She wasn't rated far too low. Same thing can be said of Hulk who also vary but he is still stronger than Jen and Grim in Base.

I am quite certain that the red Hulks do not have rage power/emotion-enhanced power levels, unless it has been retconned in by writers after Jeph Loeb and Greg Pak handled them. They can absorb energy and generate heat, and that's it.

In the scan i gave, Red Hulk said that if he gets angry enough. I already explained this.

All Hulks are not the same, and you need to provide far more convincing evidence than you have here in order to insert this ability for them.

While they are not the same, they do share some abilities which includes Rage Power.

Also, burning away technology is not the same as being almost immune to biological infections.

Yeah, there was no other ability similar, so I added resistance to disease since it somehow worked like a virus and even Red compared it to one.

 

[Antvasima]

She is already far more powerful than Red She Hulk, nothing changes. Rage Power was added as her power is also dependent on rage

Neither She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk are supposed to be as extremely weaker than the Hulk, Skaar, and Red Hulk as we currently claim, and are supposed to be far stronger than the Grey Hulk, and you set their maximum power levels as a mere 5-B, instead of as a starting value as previously, which is not remotely warranted by the stories.

In the scan i gave, Red Hulk said that if he gets angry enough. I already explained this.

If the Red Hulk gets angry he generates heat. That's it. You need much better and repeated evidence.

While they are not the same, they do share some abilities which includes Rage Power.

Hulk and She-Hulk do, but I am not certain about Skaar, and we need some evidence for him, and Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk/Red Harpy, and Llyra definitely do not as far as I am aware.

Yeah, there was no other ability similar, so I added resistance to disease since it somehow worked like a virus and even Red compared it to one.

It is not the same thing though. It is just heat generation and regeneration in combination.

 

[Excellence616]

Neither She-Hulk or Red She-Hulk are supposed to be as extremely weaker than the Hulk, Skaar, and Red Hulk as we currently claim, and are supposed to be far stronger than the Grey Hulk, and you set their maximum power levels as a mere 5-B, instead of as a starting value as previously, which is not remotely warranted by the stories.

They are not extremely weaker than Hulk. They can be 5-B and still not capable of beating him. Varies is what we give Characters whose power depends on something or fluctuate. They are stronger than Grey Hulk.

Red Hulk >~ Base Hulk > She Hulk > The Thing > Red She Hulk > Grey Hulk > Twice Size of Earth feat

If the Red Hulk gets angry he generates heat. That's it. You need much better and repeated evidence.

Red Hulk can use Rage Power but for a different purpose than getting stronger. It should be on his profile as Rage Power and Heat Generation since to produce large amount of heat, he need to use rage

Another scan proving he can but only generates heat (Hulk #22)

Hulk and She-Hulk do, but I am not certain about Skaar, and we need some evidence for him, and Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk/Red Harpy, and Llyra definitely do not as far as I am aware.

Skaar already has evidence on his profile

Lyra can use it but she would get weaker. It was a fail safe that her people gave to her to prevent her from turn against them. Same scan also prove that rage power is something that every gamma mutates can use. (Incredible Hulk Vol 1 #600)

Red Harpy isn't same as Red She Hulk. While the are same person, they slightly differ in power.

It is not the same thing though. It is just heat generation and regeneration in combination.

We should see what others think.

 

[Antvasima]

They are not extremely weaker than Hulk. They can be 5-B and still not capable of beating him. Varies is what we give Characters whose power depends on something or fluctuate. They are stronger than Grey Hulk.

Red Hulk >~ Base Hulk > She Hulk > The Thing > Red She Hulk > Grey Hulk > Twice Size of Earth feat

But then why did you change She-Hulk's statistics to only reach Thing's (and the Grey Hulk's) 5-B level at her peak rage? She should at the very least start at his level.

Red Hulk can use Rage Power but for a different purpose than getting stronger. It should be on his profile as Rage Power and Heat Generation since to produce large amount of heat, he need to use rage

Another scan proving he can but only generates heat (Hulk #22)

I think that it will be misunderstood by most of our visitors as that his power increases with his rage, which is not true, so it seems much preferable to simply add heat generation.

Skaar already has evidence on his profile

Can you link to it here please?

Lyra can use it but she would get weaker. It was a fail safe that her people gave to her to prevent her from turn against them.

Lyra gets weaker with her rage, yes, so rage power doesn't seem to fit.

Same scan also prove that rage power is something that every gamma mutates can use. (Incredible Hulk Vol 1 #600)

No, it just says other gamma-empowered beings (Hulk, She-Hulk, and maybe Skaar), not ALL gamma-empowered beings.

Speaking of which, Marvel Comics should slightly widen She-Hulk's self-empowerment ability to include positive emotions as well, like Jarella did during the Chaos War. She is a far too genuinely nice person to be efficient if she is dependent on only negative emotions.

Red Harpy isn't same as Red She Hulk. While the are same person, they slightly differ in power.

Yes, Red Harpy can fly and has claws as well, although neither of them get stronger with their rage as far as I am aware.

We should see what others think.

You need conclusive evidence either way, and you have not shown any so far.

 

[Excellence616]

But then why did you change She-Hulk's statistics to only reach Thing's (and the Grey Hulk's) 5-B level at her peak rage? She should at the very least start at his level.

The Thing is 5-B. She Hulk is 5-B. She only need varies as she can use rage power.

5-B, higher with rage power to Varies up to 5-B, higher with Rage Power.

I think that it will be misunderstood by most of our visitors as that his power increases with his rage, which is not true, so it seems much preferable to simply add heat generation.

Can you link to it here please?

Here

Lyra gets weaker with her rage, yes, so rage power doesn't seem to fit.

Because she was made that way as a weakness. The scan already explain. She can, if wasn't for her she was made, she would have gotten stronger like all other gamma mutates.

No, it just says other gamma-empowered beings (Hulk, She-Hulk, and maybe Skaar), not ALL gamma-empowered beings.

Speaking of which, Marvel Comics should slightly widen She-Hulk's self-empowerment ability to include positive emotions as well, like Jarella did during the Chaos War. She is a far too genuinely nice person to be efficient if she is dependent on only negative emotions.

Be it nice or not, She Hulk is no exception to the Gamma. All gamma mutates are born or powered by Rage, Hate and Fear.

Yes, Red Harpy can fly and has claws as well, although neither of them get stronger with their rage as far as I am aware.

You need conclusive evidence either way, and you have not shown any so far.

Just tag staff to re-evaluate everything again . My point don't really stand.

 

[Antvasima]

The Thing is 5-B. She Hulk is 5-B. She only need varies as she can use rage power.

5-B, higher with rage power to Varies up to 5-B, higher with Rage Power.

But that makes it sound like she starts far below 5-B in base and only reaches it when she is angry, not that she starts there, so it is not structured properly.

I can't seem to see that image. My apologies.

Because she was made that way as a weakness. The scan already explain. She can, if wasn't for her she was made, she would have gotten stronger like all other gamma mutates.

Still not all other gamma-mutates, which was never stated, just the original green Hulk family.

Be it nice or not, She Hulk is no exception to the Gamma. All gamma mutates are born or powered by Rage, Hate and Fear.

Well, Jarella was empowered by love during the Chaos War when she beat up Brian Banner, and that would fit She-Hulk much better.

Just tag staff to re-evaluate everything again . My point don't really stand.

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Deagonx @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @IdiosyncraticLawyer @LordTracer @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca

Are you willing to help us out here please?

 

[Excellence616]

I can't seem to see that image. My apologies.

Here

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you, but it seems uncertain if rage power is intended to be referenced, at least without further evidence. Also, can you inform me about which comic book those images come from please?

 

[Excellence616]

Thank you, but it seems uncertain if rage power is intended to be referenced, at least without further evidence. Also, can you inform me about which comic book those images come from please?

Planet Skaar Prologue #1

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the information.

 

[Antvasima]

Have the necessary revisions I mentioned here been applied already?

 

[Excellence616]

Have the necessary revisions I mentioned here been applied already?

I want other staffs to re evaluate everything again

 

[Antvasima]

@Maverick_Zero_X @LephyrTheRevanchist @Theglassman12 @Starter_Pack @LordGriffin1000 @Elizhaa

Please read the comments starting from the link below, and then reevaluate this thread. I think that at least a part of it is very unreliable and badly applied to our wiki pages.

Marvel Comics: Minor Hulks Addition

Rage Power is not only an ability for Hulk, all Hulks can do the same, so: Red She Hulk Varies up to Planet level, far higher with Rage Power Skaar Varies from 3-C up to High 3-A, higher with the Old Power, far higher with Rage Power, even higher with Rage Power and Old Power Like father...

vsbattles.com

 

[Excellence616]

Proposals look good.

Should be fine yeah

Looks ok

This looks fine.

I'm ok with the additions.

The changes look fine.

Would y'all be willing to re-evaluate everything again, please

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Apologies for the delay

Overall, I still side with Excellence's thoughts. However, Ant is correct here:

But that makes it sound like she starts far below 5-B in base and only reaches it when she is angry, not that she starts there, so it is not structured properly.

As for the rage power, maybe we can also note that She-Hulk gets empowered by her love emotions? It wouldn't technically be wrong to cite both, as one can feel great anger when trying to protect something we love, quite a positive trait in fact (which would certainly fit her particularly imo)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

If She-Hulk was changed to "up to 5-B" I agree with Antvasima that should be amended, since that wasn't accepted.

 

[Excellence616]

If She-Hulk was changed to "up to 5-B" I agree with Antvasima that should be amended, since that wasn't accepted.

Aside from She Hulk's part, what's your take one the rest?

 

[Excellence616]

Apologies for the delay

No issues

Overall, I still side with Excellence's thoughts. However, Ant is correct here:



As for the rage power, maybe we can also note that She-Hulk gets empowered by her love emotions? It wouldn't technically be wrong to cite both, as one can feel great anger when trying to protect something we love, quite a positive trait in fact (which would certainly fit her particularly imo)

All Gamma Mutates (Hulks in this context) are powered by emotions especially rage including She Hulk who is the sheep among the Hulks.

 

[Antvasima]

The issue is that this matter of fact is not true at all. The red Hulks do not canonically get stronger, they only generate heat and absorb energy, and this needs to be clarified in their pages, or we will spread misleading information, and I am very uncertain if Skaar has ever been proven to have a rage x-factor either, or if he simply has base strength + old power for an extra boost.

You need very clear non-ambiguous in-continuity evidence if you want anybody except for the green Hulk and green She-Hulk to have raw power increasing rage x-factor.

Also, green She-Hulk is a saint, not a sheep, whereas all of the other Hulks, except for Lyra, are different shades of emotionally underdeveloped and unstable assholes.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

All Gamma Mutates (Hulks in this context) are powered by emotions especially rage including She Hulk who is the sheep among the Hulks.

Where is it stated this applies to the Reds?

 

[Antvasima]

The reds generate heat when they get angry, but do not grow stronger, as far as I recall.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Re-reading our page for rage power, we specifically use it for characters that can amplify their stats through rage, so yes the red hulks wouldn't get it.

 

[Excellence616]

Where is it stated this applies to the Reds?

Okay. Let me put it this way.

All Gamma Mutates all share some similar abilities like Immortality, Resurrection, Energy Absorption, Emotion Empowerment, etc since their powers originated from the TOBA and have connections to the Below Place which is the source of all gamma. As ong as you have gamma, you must share some abilities.

Although they share some abilities, they might have them but with a disadvantage.

For Red Hulk, he can use it but not as a source to get stronger which is why i listed it as a weakness and an ability to amped only his heat.

Lyra, as i said above can use Rage Power but she would get weaker because she was engineered that way.

Red She Hulk case is a little different, she can both use absorb energy and use rage. Whenever she goes angry, she has never shown any weakness hints like Her Father

So among all Hulks, Red Hulk and Lyra can't amp their strength using rage

 

[Excellence616]

The reds generate heat when they get angry, but do not grow stronger, as far as I recall.

Red Hulk (Ross) and Lyra are the only odd ones out.

Red Hulk is the only red that is shown and stated specifically multiples times that even if he can utilize rage power, it only works to increase his heat and makes him hotter and weak even if Rage Power is something that all Gamma Mutates possess.

 

[Entity]

Isn't there a page for the Gamma Mutates' physiology?

 

[Excellence616]

Isn't there a page for the Gamma Mutates' physiology?

Their abilities aren't much to warrant a page as of now

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree with Antvasima on the 5-B rating for She-Hulk. I agree with Antvasima's point about Rage Power.