Martian Manhunter vs Whis

[Faisal_Shourov]

There is nothing NLF about intangibility. And Whis speed is not finalized yet, I dont think the mods are gonna accept the calc based on the map (where earth is billions of light years in diameter.) If they do then Whis wins easily. Otherwise MM can go intangible and use TP

How's he gonna perform Intangibility and Telepathy at the same time. Doesn't seem like he can do something like that, show scans of it please. And even then, is he fast enough to activate his intangibility before taking a Ki blast to the face.

Unless whis calc gets accepted, I think he can

Martian Manhunter vs Justice League

Martian Manhunter is fast enough to attack Wally West's using TP

 

[Davy0]

Considering Whis can obliterated every single one of those characters in that Panel, by himself. That's not saying much. You're not understanding how powerful Whis is compared to Beerus. He's literally 50% (or 5 times) more powerful than Beerus at his full potential.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

I just showed you Martian Manhunter reacting to Wally West where he enters Wally's mind. That should be bigger than any speed feat of Whis.

Are you implying Whis can beat Wally?

 

[Davy0]

Yes... he can. Especially since Wally doesn't see him as an enemy and was hardly bloodlusted during those comics too.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

You want me to make a bloodlusted wally west vs whis thread? The mods have already said Wally can solo DB IIRC

 

[Davy0]

Sure make one. Just understand that Goku is a "6", Beerus is a "10" and and Whis is a "15".

 

[AllanSaiyan]

You want me to make a bloodlusted wally west vs whis thread? The mods have already said Wally can solo DB IIRC

How about not bloodlusted

 

[Davy0]

How about a bloodlusted Whis since all he's done was casual.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

You want me to make a bloodlusted wally west vs whis thread? The mods have already said Wally can solo DB IIRC

How about not bloodlusted

if you want to see wally at full power, he has to be bloodlusted. wally holds back most of the time, bloodlusted wally shows his true power

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

How about a bloodlusted Whis since all he's done was casual.

it doesn't matter if whis is bloodlusted, but i will make both of them bloodlusted if you want

However we should focus on this thread at first. MM has superior reaction speed feat (getting into Wally's mind). that's all he need to launch TP assault. Wally btw is extremely resistant to telepathy. Also MM can read mind of every single living creature in an galaxy within seconds . This guy regularly hangs around with the likes of Flash

 

[AllanSaiyan]

We don't know whis speed doe.

 

[Davy0]

So does Whis. So does Beerus actually. We have a Universe Buster who holds back, and Ki blasts which can annihilate the entirety of the Universe with beings that have the ability to easily breathe in space. They must hold back from destroying the universe and Whis is by far one of the strongest characters. Unless Wally can survive the universe blowing up, he would be running away from the battle by using his time traveling by the way, he's going to die. Unlike Goku who's only Multi-Galaxy Level, Whis can destroy the Universe, possibly several times over.

 

[Davy0]

How about a bloodlusted Whis since all he's done was casual.

it doesn't matter if whis is bloodlusted, but i will make both of them bloodlusted if you want
However we should focus on this thread at first. MM has superior reaction speed feat (getting into Wally's mind). that's all he need to launch TP assault. Wally btw is extremely resistant to telepathy. Also MM can read mind of every single living creature in an galaxy within seconds . This guy regularly hangs around with the likes of Flash

So does Supes, yet Supes is still inferior to the Flash's speed so your point is invalid.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

We don't know whis speed doe.

i know, if we knew i probably wouldn't have made the thread.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

How about a bloodlusted Whis since all he's done was casual.

it doesn't matter if whis is bloodlusted, but i will make both of them bloodlusted if you want
However we should focus on this thread at first. MM has superior reaction speed feat (getting into Wally's mind). that's all he need to launch TP assault. Wally btw is extremely resistant to telepathy. Also MM can read mind of every single living creature in an galaxy within seconds . This guy regularly hangs around with the likes of Flash

So does Supes, yet Supes is still inferior to the Flash's speed so your point is invalid.

Superman can't use TP, i dont have any idea what you're trying to say. MM is one of the best telepaths in fiction. i dont know if you're trying to lowball him getting into wally's mind. im no DC expert but we should respect his feats

 

[Davy0]

I don't care about his TP unless they're fighting quadrillions of Miles away from one another (and even then he shouldn't know who Whis is before this battle unless you're again stating NLF) Jonny's gonna die from a ki blast moving at several times the speed he can think, to his face.

 

[Undylan]

How much powerful MM really is?

Because he get's somewhat beaten by superman or flash time to time much as MM beaten them time to time too.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I really can't give much of an opinion here at all since i'm not much knowlegable on Comic MM.

I do kind of agree with Davy0 in that unless both are fighting quadrillions or so miles away from each other in the universe, TP may actually not give J'onn here a win even though those like even the Spectre couldn't resist his TP(albeit even i can't really say it as being impressive depending if Spectre was weakened or not).

If anything, i'm really inconclusive on this.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

I really can't give much of an opinion here at all since i'm not much knowlegable on Comic MM.
I do kind of agree with Davy0 in that unless both are fighting quadrillions or so miles away from each other in the universe, TP may actually not give J'onn here a win even though those like even the Spectre couldn't resist his TP(albeit even i can't really say it as being impressive depending if Spectre was weakened or not).

If anything, i'm really inconclusive on this.

Do we have any accepted speed for Whis on VSbattles? The previous calc has been removed from whis profile because it used the out of scale DBZ map. Does Whis really have better reaction time than MM? MM has entered the mind of Wally West which is arguably (?) better than Whis reaction feat? I dont know

If Whis doesn't have a fixed speed then reaction speed goes to MM, what do you think?

 

[Davy0]

Again, Wally is known not to have any lethal intentions against those he considers friends or close allies. Saying that he was "serious" during those times, is fallacious, especially when he's known to have great comradery with MM.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

I think the fight could go for MM then since i never really heard much about the DBZ God tiers speed calc being not fixed due to the speed calc one being taken out.

 

[Davy0]

That makes no sense, since Gods comparable to Beerus and Whis have been shown traversing from one universe to another in the Super Manga.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

I think the fight could go for MM then since i never really heard much about the DBZ God tiers speed calc being not fixed due to the speed calc one being taken out.

Thelivingtribunal1 is making a new calc, hopefully it will be accepted

However due to lack of calc so far, MM has the better reaction speed, which is all he needs to launch TP assault

 

[Benbenben101010]

Whiss can control matter, he have a little type of time control,is MFTL and his destructive power is multi galaxy++ this is an overkill for the poor manhunter U_U

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Whiss can control matter, he have a little type of time control,is MFTL and his destructive power is multi galaxy++ this is an overkill for the poor manhunter U_U

please read the OP -_-

 

[Davy0]

I think the fight could go for MM then since i never really heard much about the DBZ God tiers speed calc being not fixed due to the speed calc one being taken out.

Thelivingtribunal1 is making a new calc, hopefully it will be accepted
However due to lack of calc so far, MM has the better reaction speed, which is all he needs to launch TP assault

No... he doesn't.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. Does MM have the reaction speeds to TP Whis to submission? This is really getting confusing. I kind of wanna say that Whis got this but MM seems like he could pull this off in spite of how far off their stats are.

Yup. I am really at a crossroads of inconclusiveness here.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

Hmm. Does MM have the reaction speeds to TP Whis to submission? This is really getting confusing. I kind of wanna say that Whis got this but MM seems like he could pull this off in spite of how far off their stats are.
Yup. I am really at a crossroads of inconclusiveness here.

using TP on spectre and wally is a good feat by itself, also he read mind of every single sentient being in a galaxy within seconds

a DC expert can explain the contexts properly however

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. Does MM have the reaction speeds to TP Whis to submission? This is really getting confusing. I kind of wanna say that Whis got this but MM seems like he could pull this off in spite of how far off their stats are.
Yup. I am really at a crossroads of inconclusiveness here.

using TP on spectre and wally is a good feat by itself, also he read mind of every single sentient being in a galaxy within seconds

Yeah...

Still, it' seems as that Whis or MM takes depending on weather Whis blitzs MM or J'onn hits Whis on time with his TP ability. Literally at my POV on this, it could at best(and i'm streching this) go either way.

 

[Davy0]

He's faster than him. Flash wasn't even prepared in the panel he showed. It states it right there. Whis is going to attack him by tapping his cane into the non-existent ground and destroying him. That's all there is to it.

 

[UncleSpaceman]

Martian Manhunter was able to TP Wally West, i don't see why he counldn't TP Whis.

 

[Davy0]

It's not about TPing him. It's about whether he's capable of TPing a prepared, faster being than himself that can effortlessly destroy universes.

 

[UncleSpaceman]

He TP'd The Spectre, who is infinitely stronger than Whis

 

[Davy0]

(Sighs) Again, he didn't show the entire scenario, and it looked like Spectre was weakened, they were talking about some type of circumstance between Jon and Spectre which Jon didn't agree with. Which may lead to something being wrong with Spectre, thus he was probably weakened. That's also what deductive reasoning is, by the way.

Second. Whis is faster than Jon. He can destroy universes. End of that story.

 

[AnimeFanboy2916]

Whis wins. Higher DC and durability. Not sure about sped tho.g

 

[AllanSaiyan]

So it seems the Whis speed is calculated so who wins now.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

So it seems the Whis speed is calculated so who wins now.

All depends on MM can use TP before Whis blitzes him. I would say Whis wins because he is fast on his own and doesn't need powerscaling. However if somebody wants to powerscale him from Wally then it's debatable

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Whis blitzes before MM can TP.

 

[Faisal_Shourov]

So a win for Whis then? Can somebody add this to Whis victory?

 

[Oblivion00]

So a win for Whis then? Can somebody add this to Whis victory?

Whis gonna get his first win if it's added