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[Martial Peak] Another Major Revision

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Introduction



This CRT will go Resurrection, Nonexistent Physiology, Su Yan's Profile Update, and Acausality Type 5. Important things to know is The Myriad Grand Dao are accepted as Low 1-A, and The Universe Furnace was accepted as Transcendence over the Myriad Grand Dao, giving it another layer. Let's get started with Resurrection.

Mid-Godly Resurrection



The Dragon Clan possesses a secret Technique known as the Dragon Tome which can allow a Dragon to resurrect after they have been killed. The drawback, is that this method only has less than a 30% chance of working.

The Phoenix Clan also possesses the Nirvana Flames which work in the same manor as the Dragon Tome. Meaning, they operate under the same principle.

Su Yan was about to die in the Final Battle against the Ink Clan, and attempted to use the Nirvana Flames to resurrect herself. Su Yan would've perished, however her bloodline was purified by Sun's Burning Shine & Moon's Nether Glimmer, making her resurrection a success.

Now, this make it Low-Godly Resurrection, but let's make it Mid-Godly.

Firstly, the Soul and mind are held in the Knowledge Sea, merged as one.

The Source of a Divine Spirit defines their existence and powers, as shown in the scans above and with Shi Huo. When Zhang Ruo Xi destroyed his source, Shi Huo died instantly. This does destroy the soul as well, because in Martial Peak, you can always abandon your physical body when it's destroyed and exist as a soul.

This would make it Mid-Godly Resurrection, since they're resurrecting from their Source.

The profiles that will get this are
  • Yang Kai
  • Zhang Ruo Xi (Including SBS & Moon's Nether Glimmer)
  • Su Yan
Wu Kuang was killed but resurrected himself 30,000 Years later. He was in fact dead, as he lost his Heaven Devouring Great Emperor Title that was bestowed to him by the Heavenly Way. When Yang Kai was "Killed" by Mo Sheng, he only had his soul left, and The Heavenly Way didn't strip him of his title because he still existed, meaning Wu Kuang's soul was destroyed.

This will give him Mid-Godly Resurrection Overtime (30,000 Years)

Su Yan


Since Su Yan doesn't have a key for this part of the story, I added it below, as the Phoenix Empress.

Su Yan
  • No changes were made to Previous Keys, just new kew as the Phoenix Empress
Nonexistent Physiology


Primordial Chaos currently has this for it's NEP justification
So it's pretty much getting NEP from predating the Void Realm. Let's change that to:
To put it into Binary
  • Existence would be everything that stems from the Myriad Grand Dao as 1.
  • Nonexistence would be the Void as 0.
Now we just need to prove that Chaos is neither 0 & 1, and also not 0 & 1 at the same time.

Chaos was stated to be nothingness numerous times, so it can't be something that's in existence. Chaos is differentiated between itself and the Void, meaning it's not nonexistence either. This means Chaos is either 0 & 1 at the same time, or not 0 & 1.
Chaos demonstrates properties of erasing things that come into contact with it. For example, a portion of Mu's Space-Time River was erased by the Profound Source Gate. As said by the NEP Page:
Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.
Chaos precedes and opposes existence, and is stated to be nothingness numerous times, and is not the Void, which is why Chaos should keep its NEP Type 2 rating.

Now let's add the additions

Yang Kai
Chaos Spirit King
  • Should get Aspect Type 5 on his Nonexistent Physiology for [Myriad Grand Dao], since the Chaos Spirit King is just an accumulation of Grand Daos.

Acausality Type 5


Acausality (Type 5; Ascended to the level of the Universe Furnace, which transcends the Heavenly Way. The Heavenly Way remains unchanging, as it was neither living nor dead, neither pure nor defiled. The Heavenly Way is constant, and there are no exceptions. The Heavenly Way governs all principles of the Universe, including Karma)
This applies to
  • Mu
  • Yang Kai
  • Ink
  • Zhang Ruo Xi
Yang Kai's Key Rework


To start off, I want to remove some of Yang Kai's Keys. Each Key he's 10x stronger, and gets some abilities, however we already know that quantitative increases in strength in Tier 2 and above don't really matter. The Keys removed will be Sixth Rank, Seventh Rank, Eighth Rank. Yang Kai's First key will be Half-Step Open Heaven, followed by Ninth Rank Open Heaven. I'll add another Key which is meant for the final battle against Ink, since Yang Kai is +1 layer into Low 1-A at that stage, and many people currently scale to him when they shouldn't.

Additionally in this New Key Yang Kai will get

Transduality (Type 2; Yang Kai absorbed Mu's Space-Time River, which is a condensation of all Grand Daos. Which would include the Grand Dao of Yin and the Grand Dao of Yan. The Grand Dao of Yin and the Grand Dao of Yang can be expressed as a single Grand Dao, just as much as it could be two separate Grand Daos. The Grand Dao of Yin and Yang divides into the Five Elements, which then gives rise to the Myraid Grand Daos. Mu's Space-Time River is akin to the Universe Furnace's transcendence over all things. Yang Kai absorbed the Space-Time River into his own body, merging with it)

Agree: @RavenSupreme, @Thinnapat_butsiri, @Dereck03, @Reiner04, @RitsuØ1
Neutral:
Disagree:
 
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Mo should get the scaling to the new +1 layer into Low 1-A, as Yang Kai admitted after the fight that Mo allowed him to kill him and, while going all out during the fight in what he used, he hasnt used all he had in the first place. Regardless how we judge this in their direct head-to-head result, scaling wise this makes Fake-Creation Realm Mo at least eligible to scale.

Edit: As for the rest, I agree. Althought I dont know how "fair" it is to use a Mid-Godly in a profile when it comes with the *that it takes thousand of years to be reborn. Doesnt really help in a fight.

Edit edit: I saw its resurrection and not regeneration, so thats fine.
 
Mo should get the scaling to the new +1 layer into Low 1-A, as Yang Kai admitted after the fight that Mo allowed him to kill him and, while going all out during the fight in what he used, he hasnt used all he had in the first place. Regardless how we judge this in their direct head-to-head result, scaling wise this makes Fake-Creation Realm Mo at least eligible to scale.
Mo is in the +1 Layer into Low 1-A. Everyone that's on the level of the Universe Furnace is there.
Edit: As for the rest, I agree. Althought I dont know how "fair" it is to use a Mid-Godly in a profile when it comes with the *that it takes thousand of years to be reborn. Doesnt really help in a fight.

Edit edit: I saw its resurrection and not regeneration, so thats fine.
In a fight it's really not useful, but it's nice to list everything that a character is capable of.
 
What the........., why?, he has Limited NEP2, the a full-blown one.......

Aspect Type 5 on his Nonexistent Physiology for [Myriad Grand Dao]
Just no, you don't list Grand Dao, you list thing like History, Plot, etc.......

About 1-A, Yang Kai still "ascend" to it in some way, it is considered as anti-feat, so i'm neutral on this case
 
What the........., why?, he has Limited NEP2, the a full-blown one.......
I won't list it on the profile, but it's mainly for the Aca Type 3, since he can just endlessly have his other selves come from the STR, meaning if you don't destroy the River he'll keep having his other selves come out.
Just no, you don't list Grand Dao, you list thing like History, Plot, etc.......
That'd be like a lot of things to list, since there's a Grand Dao for everything.
About 1-A, Yang Kai still "ascend" to it in some way, it is considered as anti-feat, so i'm neutral on this case
Yeah because of this
Secondly, a 1-A level cannot be attained by a process in which the lower level quantitatively "adds up" to itself to break through into the higher one, due to the total lack of structural continuity between the two; the higher level cannot be attained, nor expressed by, any expansions of the lower one, and therefore things from the latter cannot interfere with the former by means of their own lower existences. Put simply: A non-1-A cannot reach the level of 1-A by appealing to another non-1-A
I believe the "extraordinary power" is what ascended Yang Kai to the World Creation Realm because when the restriction on the Taboo Realm was broken, Yang Kai was having signs of a breakthrough, and the "extraordinary power" was already attempting to shift Yang Kai out of the Taboo Realm.

The way to break out of the Taboo Realm was for people from their Universe to remember them despite having all traces of their existence erased. With people wishing for Yang Kai's return, the Taboo Realm's restrictions were undone, and the "extraordinary power" is what undid the erasure of the traces of his existence.

What do you think now?
 
I won't list it on the profile, but it's mainly for the Aca Type 3, since he can just endlessly have his other selves come from the STR, meaning if you don't destroy the River he'll keep having his other selves come out
That'd be like a lot of things to list, since there's a Grand Dao for everything.
Gonna blacklist you on profile formating department. Also, no matter how many thing Grand Dao cover, list them, you need to list thing for reader to understand, not to make them more confusing, actually it is mandatory i thing


He still "ascend" to it via himself and of course, the help of some, as the standard have said, become 1-A by appealing to non 1-A, no matter method, is anti-feat. The Taboo Realm restriction was broken by people, like seriously, they are literally non 1-A people by standard, break the restriction to ascend to 1-A level, that is anti-feat
 
Gonna blacklist you on profile formating department. Also, no matter how many thing Grand Dao cover, list them, you need to list thing for reader to understand, not to make them more confusing, actually it is mandatory i thing
Guess I'll keep it to things that are more fundamental.
He still "ascend" to it via himself and of course, the help of some, as the standard have said, become 1-A by appealing to non 1-A, no matter method, is anti-feat. The Taboo Realm restriction was broken by people, like seriously, they are literally non 1-A people by standard, break the restriction to ascend to 1-A level, that is anti-feat
The restriction isn't an actual physical barrier. It's just the "force" that's keeping them trapped there. They didn't break it with their physical power, but by remembering him. And since the extraordinary power actually reverses the erasure of the traces, it's something that it actually allows.

The fact that the Jian Ba was questioning whether it actually was a breakthrough means it's not a conventional breakthrough. After all Cultivation revolves around Strengthening physique, accumulating Qi, increasing Spiritual Energy, and improving insight into the Heavenly Way and Martial Dao.

Yang's already at the peak of all of them, and since he's reached the level of the Universe Furnace, he's already transcended the Heavenly Way.
 
Guess I'll keep it to things that are more fundamental.

The restriction isn't an actual physical barrier. It's just the "force" that's keeping them trapped there. They didn't break it with their physical power, but by remembering him. And since the extraordinary power actually reverses the erasure of the traces, it's something that it actually allows.

The fact that the Jian Ba was questioning whether it actually was a breakthrough means it's not a conventional breakthrough. After all Cultivation revolves around Strengthening physique, accumulating Qi, increasing Spiritual Energy, and improving insight into the Heavenly Way and Martial Dao.

Yang's already at the peak of all of them, and since he's reached the level of the Universe Furnace, he's already transcended the Heavenly Way.
It isn't about a physical force or anything, but the fact that Yang Kai from being non 1-A, with the help of other non 1-A and of course himself, who is also a non 1-A is anti-feat

There is also the fact that 1-A is can't be reduced, Taboo Realm restriction was broken, which open the path to it or a path to 1-A mean another anti-feat
 
It isn't about a physical force or anything, but the fact that Yang Kai from being non 1-A, with the help of other non 1-A and of course himself, who is also a non 1-A is anti-feat
They're not the cause of him becoming 1-A though. All the Non 1-A's did was remember him, which caused the restriction to be broken. Breaking the Restriction isn't what made him 1-A, but the extraordinary power.
There is also the fact that 1-A is can't be reduced, Taboo Realm restriction was broken, which open the path to it or a path to 1-A mean another anti-feat
Why would this be an Anti-Feat? It's something the "extraordinary power" setup themself. Yeah 1-A power can't be reduced, but remembering someone is somehow bringing conflict with the 1-A?

EDIT: Actually I'm now unsure. If it requires proof that the extraordinary Power is 1-A, the only real scaling it has to be 1-A is from being comparable to WCR Yang Kai. But WCR Yang Kai is getting it's 1-A from the Extraordinary power? I don't know if scaling like this is allowed.
 
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It's pretty much impossible for any one fictional setting to tick every box for each tier upgrade. So, what we do is look at the criteria they do meet and weigh them up. If they meet enough of the important ones, we can bump them up a tier in good faith.

As for Yang Kai, his World Creations realm is a big deal because it shows this qualitative superiority that's crucial for higher tiers. We've got solid evidence that Creation Power is out of reach for both the Grand Daos "Everything" and the Chaos "Nothing", when we get first shown a glimpse of it from Mo, a quasi-Creation Realm.

As Yin and Yang circled around each other, Time and Space became twisted and ultimately evolved into Chaos.
All Dao Strengths converged into one, and ultimately became Chaos!
This was a mysterious process Yang Kai had comprehended from the Infinite River; and at this moment, he had thoroughly confirmed this point using his own Dao Strengths’ evolution.
At this moment, the Space-Time River circling around him was no longer the Space-Time River, but a Chaos River.

While Yang Kai was caught up in these thoughts, Mo was already storming over. Even though Yang Kai used the Dao Strengths of the river to form barriers and restraints, it was not enough to stop Mo.
Apart from Black Ink Strength, yet another mysterious power was swirling around Mo. It was most likely Creation Force. All of the Dao Strengths that came near Mo would instantly shatter without accomplishing anything.

Yang Kai felt his chest caving in as he fell into the river.
“Waste!” Mo stood above the river. The torrential waves fiercely charged at Mo, but they would die out once they were within 10 steps of him, filling his eyes with disappointment.

Another thing to think about is how characters reach these tiers in their stories. We see characters either upgrade from below 1-A to 1-A, and they still interact with lower-tier characters or simply being 1A and doing the same. This doesn't stop us from scaling them because the narrative significance is clear. Yang Kai fits this pattern too - his upgrades and interactions are meaningful to the story, not just for scaling purposes. "How has he reached X" should therefore only be seen as a true argument against scaling, when it violates the wider narrative purpose.
 
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The Problem isn't with the actual evidence for 1-A (yet), but the manner of how he reached it.
Another thing to think about is how characters reach these tiers in their stories. We see characters either upgrade from below 1-A to 1-A, and they still interact with lower-tier characters or simply being 1A and doing the same. This doesn't stop us from scaling them because the narrative significance is clear. Yang Kai fits this pattern too - his upgrades and interactions are meaningful to the story, not just for scaling purposes. "How has he reached X" should therefore only be seen as a true argument against scaling, when it violates the wider narrative purpose.
Not really, Viet's arguments are valid for Anti-Feats. You can't reach 1-A by using your own power to multiply to breakthrough to a higher realm, because of the difference in qualitative levels. Even if you talk about the significance to the narrative, it technically wouldn't be wrong to just give him +1 Low 1-A layer since that's still superiority over everything in the verse.
 
The Problem isn't with the actual evidence for 1-A (yet), but the manner of how he reached it.

Not really, Viet's arguments are valid for Anti-Feats. You can't reach 1-A by using your own power to multiply to breakthrough to a higher realm, because of the difference in qualitative levels. Even if you talk about the significance to the narrative, it technically wouldn't be wrong to just give him +1 Low 1-A layer since that's still superiority over everything in the verse.
That is the thing I disagree with.

He did not reach the higher realm through his own cultivation or power amplification, he reached it through a narrative tool within the verse which doesnt follow any previous journeys to higher tiers.
 
he reached it through a narrative tool within the verse
what?, you mean that because the story, the plot make him reach that level of power mean it is not anti-feat?, like, how? every fictions is govern by its narrative, plot, characters get power up often because author write the story that way, it isn't argument bruhh
 
what?, you mean that because the story, the plot make him reach that level of power mean it is not anti-feat?, like, how? every fictions is govern by its narrative, plot, characters get power up often because author write the story that way, it isn't argument bruhh
That would indicate that every single character in every single fiction which reaches 1A from a below 1A tier is an anti-feat, as the argument "Lower than 1A cant interact with 1A" would automatically invalidate it.
 
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I've removed 1-A from this CRT, as I plan on releasing a better 1-A CRT after this one concludes.
 
where Eval?
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This thread is very long and verse is completely unknown to me... but I'll try to evaluate soon enough. I have it in my "to do" list
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This thread is very long and verse is completely unknown to me... but I'll try to evaluate soon enough. I have it in my "to do" list
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Trust in Wank
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I have some problem with NEP 2 and TD 2, everything else is fine i think

About NEP 2, well it can be type 2, but are this Void is the definition or the concept of nothing it self or just a nothingness. Type 2 basically doesnt just lack of a convential nothingness, it lack the convential nothingness it self, lack the idea of it. Chaos can be type 2 only if the Void not just a nothingness but the nothingness, so it will make Chaos not only a deeper NEP type 1 but NEP 2 that lack of NEP 1 entirely

About TD 2. I dont see any mention about duality system in the argument nor scan
 
I have some problem with NEP 2 and TD 2, everything else is fine i think

About NEP 2, well it can be type 2, but are this Void is the definition or the concept of nothing it self or just a nothingness. Type 2 basically doesnt just lack of a convential nothingness, it lack the convential nothingness it self, lack the idea of it. Chaos can be type 2 only if the Void not just a nothingness but the nothingness, so it will make Chaos not only a deeper NEP type 1 but NEP 2 that lack of NEP 1 entirely
I have no Idea what you're trying to say. so I'll wait for your confirmation.
About TD 2. I dont see any mention about duality system in the argument nor scan
My mistake forgot to include it. It comes from these people, who got their Transduality accepted here. I've added the additional justification to Transduality.
 
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I have no Idea what you're trying to say. so I'll wait for your confirmation.
i mean it must lack of the very concept of nothingness, not just a nothingness

It is like concept of tree, you must beyond the concept not just a some trees (beyond the idea or concept not the object), thus even if there are a tree that more bigger more fruitfull than other tree you will still beyond that because you beyond the very concept of tree

Soo is NEP 2. You beyond the nothingness completely, if there are a nothingness that are more nothing than other nothingness you will still beyond that, even if it are infinitely layered of NEP 1, NEP 2 still beyond it because it beyond the very idea of nothingness. Well it is the reason why NEP 2 is idealistic nonexistence (it literally lack of the idea of nonexistence)

My mistake forgot to include it. It comes from these people, who got their Transduality accepted here. I've added the additional justification to Transduality.
Still a wank, i disagree

It was fine then, consider Yin and Yang was splitted from Chaos, that mean Chaos was the nondualistic oneness state before all creation was born
 
i mean it must lack of the very concept of nothingness, not just a nothingness

It is like concept of tree, you must beyond the concept not just a some trees (beyond the idea or concept not the object), thus even if there are a tree that more bigger more fruitfull than other tree you will still beyond that because you beyond the very concept of tree

Soo is NEP 2. You beyond the nothingness completely, if there are a nothingness that are more nothing than other nothingness you will still beyond that, even if it are infinitely layered of NEP 1, NEP 2 still beyond it because it beyond the very idea of nothingness. Well it is the reason why NEP 2 is idealistic nonexistence (it literally lack of the idea of nonexistence)
Ahh I see what you mean.

Chaos would be beyond the concept of Void since Primordial Chaos is disordered, and only comes into order after its evolution into Yin & Yang. The World began as Chaos, which would mean the concept of nothingness didn't exist until after it's evolution. As explained in the OP, Chaos can erase things, even Grand Daos, which would mean that it's not in a state of which everything is mixed in with each other, in a disordered state. I'm pretty sure it was implied that Void was under the Yang Grand Dao, I'll see if I can find the scan for it.
 
I disagree with aca 5, as I think the "unchanging and timeless" is more likely refering that the great dao is totally and utterly pure.
 
I disagree with aca 5, as I think the "unchanging and timeless" is more likely refering that the great dao is totally and utterly pure.
Can I ask why you think that? Grand Dao wasn't even mentioned that chapter, and The Heavenly Way and and Grand Dao are two different things
 
I meant the heavenly way, not the grand dao I was sleepy
The scan says the Heavenly Way is neither pure nor defiled though. Why would that mean that the Heavenly Way is utterly pure?
 
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