Mario VS Twilight (Reboot)

[AquaWaifu]

Remaking this since the original thread reached over 400 posts without any kind of conclusion.



Let's a go


Rainbow Powered


Mario - 5 ( The real cal howard, Noahkaismith, Laughing Manson, Starrynight200, Kaltias )

Twilight Sparkle - 6 ( Pikachu942, Js250476, ZacharyGrossman273, WeeklyBatles, Theglassman12, Bluetrekking )

Inconclusive - 3 ( Paulo.junior969, ShadowStorm65, Foxthefox1000 )


Battle starts at 60 meters

Both are bloodlusted

Twilight is Rainbow Power and Mario is set at High 4-C.

Battle takes place in a massive flowery field.

No knowledge or preptime. Speed is Equalized.

Now to start off with some facts that were reached in the last thread so we don't retread similar topics that were discussed to death.

Twilight has thousands of kilometers/country level range for her magic and Mario's range is tens of meters with powerups.

Mario loses a majority of powerups upon taking sufficent amount of damage. Some are lost after a time period like the caps from 64.

Mario's time travel is not combat applicable due to Mario's method of using it being extremely undefined and vague. (Ex. with how it's shown in Yoshi's New Island theres no way to determine how a character with the ability to negate certain versions of time travel to stop Mario given lack of info on how he accesses it.

Mario has only ever been shown to use one powerup at a time. So if he wanted to fly after Twilight, he would need to use the tanooki suit, racoon suit, cape feather, bee/boo musroom, etc. However, he would lose access to most other powerups that give any sort of range outisde of melee range. He can still use fireballs due to some games showing he can use that particular ability without a fire flower.

 

[Pikachu942]

Since it seems we're using the low-end of Mario, he probably has Sub-Rel speed like on his profile, right? If so, Twilight is able to outspeed Mario and then use her plethora of different hax to defeat him, or just BFR him to Tatarus or the moon. My vote goes to Twilight, she's far too versatile and fast to lose here.

 

[AquaWaifu]

wait...forgot to equalize speed....ha.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Since it seems we're using the low-end of Mario, he probably has Sub-Rel speed like on his profile, right? If so, Twilight is able to outspeed Mario and then use her plethora of different hax to defeat him, or just BFR him to Tatarus or the moon. My vote goes to Twilight, she's far too versatile and fast to lose here.

thats weird you say she is more veratile since in the last thread so many people put Mario as the more versatile.

 

[Pikachu942]

I think they are both highly versatile, but I overall give Twilight the edge, plus she can BFR Mario pretty easily in her High 4-C forms IMO.

 

[Js250476]

I Agee I'm going with Twilight for reasons above

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Twilight due to reasons above.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Mario still one-shots.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hax>AP.

Also wasn't Mario's time travel debunked while twilight still has it?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Not all the time, and hax worship is a major problem with this site.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Like Conover.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ha. Good jape.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just using him as an example. Sorry if I came off as rude.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Frankly, you're right.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Joking aside, twilight has mind control, matter manipulation, BFR, time travel, etc.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Mario might have an advantage in mobility TBF considering Mario galaxy.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

She's not using those in character before getting hit once. She'd need to realize the situation is dire enough, which she's not going to until it's too late.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hmmm... aqua maybe you should turn on bloodlust for twilight. She's no a very violent person/horse/goddess of magic/whatever

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Twilight is like the doctor as a magical horse.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...just forgot you know nothing about doctor who.

 

[Pikachu942]

Both characters are bloodlusted and both are being set to High 4-C here so I don't see how your arguments work here Cal.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Wait twilight is bloodlusted? Then she haxstomps. Without bloodlust she'd lose but...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Both characters are bloodlusted and both are being set to High 4-C here so I don't see how your arguments work here Cal.

Bloodlusted, fair enough, but Mario is so much farther on the High 4-C scale that she's crippled or killed in a single hit. It's Android 19 vs Perfect Cell here.

 

[Pikachu942]

Do you have proof Mario is far higher on the High 4-C scale? Just asking.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Check the calcs. Mario w/o powerups is inches away from 4-B. Twilight Sparkle is upscaled from 4-Cs

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

She's scaled to discord, if I remember correctly, actually.

 

[AquaWaifu]

actually cal Rainbow Power Twilight's tier comes from easily oneshotting a HIgh 4-C who had just absorbed the power of another High 4-C

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Discord having moved around multiple stars.

 

[Pikachu942]

Alright, thank you, Twilight's low-end in this form is like 4x above base level High 4-C so Mario is most likey farther up. However, that still doesn't answer how Mario will escape being BFR'd or taken in by Twilight's telekinesis or other magical abilities from a distance, especially when he can only use one item at a time in this fight.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@AW. That would make a difference if those weren't low end High 4-Cs, as they themselves were upscaled.

@Zach. Given that they're not 4-B or 4-A, I doubt that.

@Pika. BFR from either the moon or Tartarus is escaped due to being able to easily escape the moon and having returned from a hell-esque place before. Telekinesis is just stopped by being stronger and breaking free. Mario using one ability at a time is a clear case of game mechanics, especially because we see them stack in 64. Mario needs one sneak attack to win, and Vanish Cap or Boo Mushroom gives him that chance.

 

[AquaWaifu]

*snip*

the comibining of caps is a one game only thing and has never been shown to be done with any other power ups. the fact you can combine caps is itself a game mechanic required for a star


Never has it have been shown or implied Mario can do powerup combos in any oher game or with any other kind of powerup.


and expplain how hell esque place A equals hell esque place B? if Mario got teleported to Tartarus, what proof do you have he could get out?

 

[Pikachu942]

How exactly would he...just break out of the telekinesis? It's never been shown in the show that just being stronger allows you to break free of it. Since Twilight's abilities work with just a thought, she can easily implement them before Mario can land any sneak attack, since they start at a distance and speed is equalized with no preptime or knowledge. Also because of the latter, Mario will have no idea about Twilight's long-ranged psychic abilities, and since both are bloodlusted, Twilight will go for it right away.

In addition to all of this, Twilight has stuff that I don't think you can simply "overpower", such as Gravity Manipulation ofrTransmutation. She could just turn Mario into an orange or something lol.

Also, what exactly are the rules on BFR again? Like how long does it take to be considered? Because if Mario is just sealed in the moon for example, sure, he could make it back...once he is unsealed, in which he stays trapped in the moon for 1000 years. And also, how does being trapped in one hell-esque place equate to being trapped in another? Even if he could get out, it's pretty much stated the only way you're getting out is if Cerberus is off-duty, which has happened once in a millenia.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. Putting on two hats at once is a game mechanic. It's a game mechanic because a suit shouldn't stop the effects of a flower from working. The only time it's explicitly not game mechanics is for the Mega and Mini Mushroom.

Because according to the last thread, Tartarus has a much easier exit than Underwhere.

 

[Pikachu942]

Because according to the last thread, Tartarus has a much easier exit than Underwhere.

I thought this was just regular Mario and not Paper Mario? Since when were we using composite? Either way, not a super good answer either.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Pika. Because no one has been several hundreds of times stronger than it. And Mario resists both of those things to the point of no-selling.

 

[AquaWaifu]

Yeah. Putting on two hats at once is a game mechanic. It's a game mechanic because a suit shouldn't stop the effects of a flower from working. The only time it's explicitly not game mechanics is for the Mega and Mini Mushroom.
Because according to the last thread, Tartarus has a much easier exit than Underwhere.

the power ups Mario uses are magical, while the caps might be able to combine together, the magi of the fire and ice flower and other power ups might not be able to combine. Magic A does not equal Magic B even if both are in the same continuity.

 

[Pikachu942]

Uh, you don't just "no-sell" transmutation or Gravity Manipulation. Has Mario ever shown a resistance to such techniques? I actually seem to specifically remember from RPGs and the like he is definitely not immune to transmutation, so he could be turned into an orange.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I thought this was just regular Mario and not Paper Mario? Since when were we using composite? Either way, not a super good answer either.

Because they're both the same Mario and the only reason they have different pages is to clear up space. No different between child and adult Naruto. It's written on the profile.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Uh, you don't just "no-sell" transmutation or Gravity Manipulation. Has Mario ever shown a resistance to such techniques? I actually seem to specifically remember from RPGs and the like he is definitely not immune to transmutation, so he could be turned into an orange.

Yes. Dude, it's on the page.

 

[Pikachu942]

He's only immune to Transmutation with the Super Suit which he does not start with, and it will take time to put that on. During that time he could be hit with the magic. Regardless of that point, I did miss his immunity to Gravity Manipulation, and I apologize. Either way, again, how does he escape being sealed inside the Moon for 1000 years?